- Jan 20, 2011
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Why, thank you !Marc1152 said:J Michael said:Hey, better to be polite and not accept you than to be rude and ignorant and not accept you.Marc1152 said:The etiqueete is very much different.Iconodule said:And there are other people who have dealt extensively with Japanese who will say you are wrong. From my own experience, I would agree with them.Marc1152 said:I have dealt extensively with the Japanese...
They are Borg.. Really.. They have a hive mentality. They are very much different than we are ( less so these days of course).
They may as well be from another planet.
Saving face is central to their ethos and is extreme. I have stories about how crazy they over this.
They have an exaggerated and extreme group mentality. They have little use for Western individualism. Your membership and enthusiastic participation is central to you life.
Their hierarchical structure has a totally different patten. .Many jobs expect you to stay at work until very late and then go get a drink..not optional. There is a problem in Japan with people dropping from exhaustion.
I had a good friend who worked in Japan for 10 years. He was very bitter about his experience. He said they will always be polite to you but they will never ever ever ever accept you.
My Buddhist teacher was an American and a professional translator of ancient Japanese Buddhists documents. Also bitter about his dealings with them. I was invited to go there several times by my group, all expenses paid ..which is very nice. But my American teacher told me they wanted to just "walk the dog"..They wanted to show off their American follower which helps to salve their feelings of inferiority to us.
oh and when you talk about WW2 with them you may discover that all they care about is Hiroshima. They make it sound like we started the War by dropping the bomb. Their consciousness begins and ends with them getting nuked.
So, the Japanese have a different culture and different sensibilities. Not every culture can be as cool and accepting and warm and wonderful as "western" culture :. This does not make them "Borg" (since they don't, apparently according to your friend, accept or assimilate others), it does not make them inhuman, and it is no reason to criticize, much less demonize them in any way, shape, or form.
Try to imagine how Americans might feel about WW2 if *we* had been nuked....twice. I guess we might be a little sensitive about it.
What seems clear to me from what you write is that you don't really understand Japanese culture at any deep level. Not that there's any need or reason for you to if you don't want to.
I, too, have a friend who spent many years in Japan, first to learn the language, and then ended up working there for quite a long time. Her experience, once she made the effort to learn about Japanese culture, etc, was totally different, in a very positive way, from what you and your friend describe. Which goes to show how careful we must be about making generalizations about whole cultures and peoples.
They are Borg because they have a Group Mentality..
They take no responsibility for WW2. All many of them are conscious of is Hiroshima, which was well justified IMHO.
But thanks for jumping in. Your participation is always something to look forward to.
Thanks for sharing your own opinions, which pretty much dehumanize a whole people and culture.