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I have dealt extensively with the Japanese...
They are Borg.. Really.. They have a hive mentality. They are very much different than we are ( less so these days of course).
They may as well be from another planet.
And there are other people who have dealt extensively with Japanese who will say you are wrong. From my own experience, I would agree with them.
The etiqueete is very much different.  

Saving face is central to their ethos and is extreme. I have stories about how crazy they over this.

They have an exaggerated and extreme group mentality. They have little use for Western individualism. Your membership and enthusiastic participation is central to you life.

Their hierarchical structure has a totally different patten. .Many jobs expect you to stay at work until very late and then go get a drink..not optional. There is a problem in Japan with people dropping from exhaustion.

I had a good friend who worked in Japan for 10 years. He was very bitter about his experience. He said they will always be polite to you but they will never ever ever ever accept you.

My Buddhist teacher was an American and a professional translator of ancient Japanese Buddhists documents. Also bitter about his dealings with them. I was invited to go there several times by my group, all expenses paid ..which is very nice. But my American teacher told me they wanted to just "walk the dog"..They wanted to show off their American follower which helps to salve their feelings of inferiority to us.

oh and when you talk about WW2 with them you may discover that all they care about is Hiroshima. They make it sound like we started the War by dropping the bomb. Their consciousness begins and ends with them getting nuked.
Hey, better to be polite and not accept you than to be rude and ignorant and not accept you.

So, the Japanese have a different culture and different sensibilities.  Not every culture can be as cool and accepting and warm and wonderful as "western" culture  ::).  This does not make them "Borg" (since they don't, apparently according to your friend, accept or assimilate others), it does not make them inhuman, and it is no reason to criticize, much less demonize them in any way, shape, or form.

Try to imagine how Americans might feel about WW2 if *we* had been nuked....twice.  I guess we might be a little sensitive about it.

What seems clear to me from what you write is that you don't really understand Japanese culture at any deep level.  Not that there's any need or reason for you to if you don't want to.

I, too, have a friend who spent many years in Japan, first to learn the language, and then ended up working there for quite a long time.  Her experience, once she made the effort to learn about Japanese culture, etc, was totally different, in a very positive way, from what you and your friend describe.  Which goes to show how careful we must be about making generalizations about whole cultures and peoples.


They are Borg because they have a Group Mentality..

They take no responsibility for WW2. All many of them  are conscious of is Hiroshima, which was well justified IMHO.

But thanks for jumping in. Your participation is always something to look forward to.
Why, thank you  ;)!

Thanks for sharing your own opinions, which pretty much dehumanize a whole people and culture.
 

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Marc1152 said:
Iconodule said:
Marc1152 said:
I have dealt extensively with the Japanese...
They are Borg.. Really.. They have a hive mentality. They are very much different than we are ( less so these days of course).
They may as well be from another planet.
And there are other people who have dealt extensively with Japanese who will say you are wrong. From my own experience, I would agree with them.
The etiqueete is very much different.  

Saving face is central to their ethos and is extreme. I have stories about how crazy they over this.

They have an exaggerated and extreme group mentality. They have little use for Western individualism. Your membership and enthusiastic participation is central to you life.

Their hierarchical structure has a totally different patten. .Many jobs expect you to stay at work until very late and then go get a drink..not optional. There is a problem in Japan with people dropping from exhaustion.

I had a good friend who worked in Japan for 10 years. He was very bitter about his experience. He said they will always be polite to you but they will never ever ever ever accept you.

My Buddhist teacher was an American and a professional translator of ancient Japanese Buddhists documents. Also bitter about his dealings with them. I was invited to go there several times by my group, all expenses paid ..which is very nice. But my American teacher told me they wanted to just "walk the dog"..They wanted to show off their American follower which helps to salve their feelings of inferiority to us.

oh and when you talk about WW2 with them you may discover that all they care about is Hiroshima. They make it sound like we started the War by dropping the bomb. Their consciousness begins and ends with them getting nuked.
A good friend of mine lived for years in Japan and married a Japanese girl (and now she's a good friend of mine too). He's Jewish. It took some time for the family to warm up to him, but they certainly did, and the mutual affection and respect the families have for each other is pretty obvious. Her dad even wore a yarmulke to the wedding.

My mom, as a Malaysian Chinese, had no love for the Japanese... we grew up with horror stories about what they did. Yet she was able to make some genuine Japanese friends as well, later in life, and acknowledge they're not all such monsters after all.

We could get in a battle of anecdotes but it wouldn't accomplish much. Suffice to say I've seen plenty counter-examples to every single thing you say above. The argument, "I've been there" is never a very good one on big, complex topics like this, because there's always going to be someone else who's "been there" and who has a completely different perspective.

Re: WW2, sure, the Japanese generally are a lot less contrite or honest about it than, say, the Germans. But even here there are big exceptions. The greatest expose of the Nanjing massacre, for instance, was written by a Japanese journalist (Honda Katsuichi.)
 

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I don't know about the Borg or zerg rushing, but I do like Japanese cars.  ;D
 

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J Michael said:
Marc1152 said:
J Michael said:
Marc1152 said:
Iconodule said:
Marc1152 said:
I have dealt extensively with the Japanese...
They are Borg.. Really.. They have a hive mentality. They are very much different than we are ( less so these days of course).
They may as well be from another planet.
And there are other people who have dealt extensively with Japanese who will say you are wrong. From my own experience, I would agree with them.
The etiqueete is very much different.  

Saving face is central to their ethos and is extreme. I have stories about how crazy they over this.

They have an exaggerated and extreme group mentality. They have little use for Western individualism. Your membership and enthusiastic participation is central to you life.

Their hierarchical structure has a totally different patten. .Many jobs expect you to stay at work until very late and then go get a drink..not optional. There is a problem in Japan with people dropping from exhaustion.

I had a good friend who worked in Japan for 10 years. He was very bitter about his experience. He said they will always be polite to you but they will never ever ever ever accept you.

My Buddhist teacher was an American and a professional translator of ancient Japanese Buddhists documents. Also bitter about his dealings with them. I was invited to go there several times by my group, all expenses paid ..which is very nice. But my American teacher told me they wanted to just "walk the dog"..They wanted to show off their American follower which helps to salve their feelings of inferiority to us.

oh and when you talk about WW2 with them you may discover that all they care about is Hiroshima. They make it sound like we started the War by dropping the bomb. Their consciousness begins and ends with them getting nuked.
Hey, better to be polite and not accept you than to be rude and ignorant and not accept you.

So, the Japanese have a different culture and different sensibilities.  Not every culture can be as cool and accepting and warm and wonderful as "western" culture  ::).  This does not make them "Borg" (since they don't, apparently according to your friend, accept or assimilate others), it does not make them inhuman, and it is no reason to criticize, much less demonize them in any way, shape, or form.

Try to imagine how Americans might feel about WW2 if *we* had been nuked....twice.  I guess we might be a little sensitive about it.

What seems clear to me from what you write is that you don't really understand Japanese culture at any deep level.  Not that there's any need or reason for you to if you don't want to.

I, too, have a friend who spent many years in Japan, first to learn the language, and then ended up working there for quite a long time.  Her experience, once she made the effort to learn about Japanese culture, etc, was totally different, in a very positive way, from what you and your friend describe.  Which goes to show how careful we must be about making generalizations about whole cultures and peoples.


They are Borg because they have a Group Mentality..

They take no responsibility for WW2. All many of them  are conscious of is Hiroshima, which was well justified IMHO.

But thanks for jumping in. Your participation is always something to look forward to.
Why, thank you  ;)!

Thanks for sharing your own opinions, which pretty much dehumanize a whole people and culture.
Thank God we have you stalking me and ready to put things right !

Keep standing up for what is right. Terrific job.. Thanks again
 

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Iconodule said:
Marc1152 said:
Iconodule said:
Marc1152 said:
I have dealt extensively with the Japanese...
They are Borg.. Really.. They have a hive mentality. They are very much different than we are ( less so these days of course).
They may as well be from another planet.
And there are other people who have dealt extensively with Japanese who will say you are wrong. From my own experience, I would agree with them.
The etiquette is very much different.  

Saving face is central to their ethos and is extreme. I have stories about how crazy they over this.

They have an exaggerated and extreme group mentality. They have little use for Western individualism. Your membership and enthusiastic participation is central to you life.

Their hierarchical structure has a totally different patten. .Many jobs expect you to stay at work until very late and then go get a drink..not optional. There is a problem in Japan with people dropping from exhaustion.

I had a good friend who worked in Japan for 10 years. He was very bitter about his experience. He said they will always be polite to you but they will never ever ever ever accept you.

My Buddhist teacher was an American and a professional translator of ancient Japanese Buddhists documents. Also bitter about his dealings with them. I was invited to go there several times by my group, all expenses paid ..which is very nice. But my American teacher told me they wanted to just "walk the dog"..They wanted to show off their American follower which helps to salve their feelings of inferiority to us.

oh and when you talk about WW2 with them you may discover that all they care about is Hiroshima. They make it sound like we started the War by dropping the bomb. Their consciousness begins and ends with them getting nuked.
A good friend of mine lived for years in Japan and married a Japanese girl (and now she's a good friend of mine too). He's Jewish. It took some time for the family to warm up to him, but they certainly did, and the mutual affection and respect the families have for each other is pretty obvious. Her dad even wore a yarmulke to the wedding.

My mom, as a Malaysian Chinese, had no love for the Japanese... we grew up with horror stories about what they did. Yet she was able to make some genuine Japanese friends as well, later in life, and acknowledge they're not all such monsters after all.

We could get in a battle of anecdotes but it wouldn't accomplish much. Suffice to say I've seen plenty counter-examples to every single thing you say above. The argument, "I've been there" is never a very good one on big, complex topics like this, because there's always going to be someone else who's "been there" and who has a completely different perspective.

Re: WW2, sure, the Japanese generally are a lot less contrite or honest about it than, say, the Germans. But even here there are big exceptions. The greatest expose of the Nanjing massacre, for instance, was written by a Japanese journalist (Honda Katsuichi.)
The expose about the Nanking Massacre was really important. The Japanese have a very hard time facing up to the War. They have never officially apologized even though it has been asked of them. A few years ago the PM came close to an apology as I recall but couldnt go all the way and pull the trigger ( pardon the pun)
 

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Marc1152 said:
J Michael said:
Marc1152 said:
J Michael said:
Marc1152 said:
Iconodule said:
Marc1152 said:
I have dealt extensively with the Japanese...
They are Borg.. Really.. They have a hive mentality. They are very much different than we are ( less so these days of course).
They may as well be from another planet.
And there are other people who have dealt extensively with Japanese who will say you are wrong. From my own experience, I would agree with them.
The etiqueete is very much different. 

Saving face is central to their ethos and is extreme. I have stories about how crazy they over this.

They have an exaggerated and extreme group mentality. They have little use for Western individualism. Your membership and enthusiastic participation is central to you life.

Their hierarchical structure has a totally different patten. .Many jobs expect you to stay at work until very late and then go get a drink..not optional. There is a problem in Japan with people dropping from exhaustion.

I had a good friend who worked in Japan for 10 years. He was very bitter about his experience. He said they will always be polite to you but they will never ever ever ever accept you.

My Buddhist teacher was an American and a professional translator of ancient Japanese Buddhists documents. Also bitter about his dealings with them. I was invited to go there several times by my group, all expenses paid ..which is very nice. But my American teacher told me they wanted to just "walk the dog"..They wanted to show off their American follower which helps to salve their feelings of inferiority to us.

oh and when you talk about WW2 with them you may discover that all they care about is Hiroshima. They make it sound like we started the War by dropping the bomb. Their consciousness begins and ends with them getting nuked.
Hey, better to be polite and not accept you than to be rude and ignorant and not accept you.

So, the Japanese have a different culture and different sensibilities.  Not every culture can be as cool and accepting and warm and wonderful as "western" culture  ::).  This does not make them "Borg" (since they don't, apparently according to your friend, accept or assimilate others), it does not make them inhuman, and it is no reason to criticize, much less demonize them in any way, shape, or form.

Try to imagine how Americans might feel about WW2 if *we* had been nuked....twice.  I guess we might be a little sensitive about it.

What seems clear to me from what you write is that you don't really understand Japanese culture at any deep level.  Not that there's any need or reason for you to if you don't want to.

I, too, have a friend who spent many years in Japan, first to learn the language, and then ended up working there for quite a long time.  Her experience, once she made the effort to learn about Japanese culture, etc, was totally different, in a very positive way, from what you and your friend describe.  Which goes to show how careful we must be about making generalizations about whole cultures and peoples.


They are Borg because they have a Group Mentality..

They take no responsibility for WW2. All many of them  are conscious of is Hiroshima, which was well justified IMHO.

But thanks for jumping in. Your participation is always something to look forward to.
Why, thank you  ;)!

Thanks for sharing your own opinions, which pretty much dehumanize a whole people and culture.
Thank God we have you stalking me and ready to put things right !

Keep standing up for what is right. Terrific job.. Thanks again
If replying to your posts in multiple threads or fora equals "stalking" you, or if you think I've violated any of the rules of this board, I invite you to report me to the mods and justify your accusation.  Yes, I do attempt to stand up for what is right.  Sorry that's a problem for you.

 

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'The Cause of Japan' by Togo Shigenori is a book I have long wanted but never got aroound to reading.

"Togo was Foreign Minister at the time of Pearl Harbor and, after a period of political eclipse, resumed this post to speed Japan's peace negotiations; he is therefor more familiar than anyone else with the underlying policies of his country at two critical points. Shortly before his death in an American military hospital (he was then serving a twenty year sentence on charges of ""conspiracy to wage aggressive war"") Togo put into his family's safekeeping elaborate notes on his youth (not included here) and his service in the Konoe and Suzuki cabinets. The notes, pedantic and impersonal, not only exonerate Togo himself of any militant designs but place an embarrassing amount of responsibility at the door of the United States. The embargo on petroleum products all but forced Japan into the war: Roosevelt, according to Togo, was fully aware of this fact and, from sources of secret information, knew thoroughly the plans and thinking of the Japanese leaders: the duplicity and delaying tactics in Washington were caused entirely by America. His justification, coupled with the light the book sheds on the power alignments within Japan and the broad diplomatic policies that were followed, is worthy of special interest in terms of history and of importance to the student or expert in Far Eastern affairs; it is newsworthy as a presentation of the japanese grounds for their actions."
https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/togo-shigenori/the-cause-of-japan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigenori_T%C5%8Dg%C5%8D
 

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Dionysii said:
"The embargo on petroleum products all but forced Japan into the war"
OR they could have stopped trying to colonize East Asia and murdering people all over the place. I realize at this point the Western colonial powers had a bit of a double standard... but still.
 

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"The embargo on petroleum products all but forced Japan into the war"
they could have stopped trying to colonize East Asia and murdering people all over the place.
I realize at this point the Western colonial powers had a bit of a double standard... but still.
You make a valid point.  
Furthermore, I think you will find that Togo Shigenori was not part of Japan's militaristic faction.


Mao Tse Tung saw the danger of Japan becoming a fascist satellite colony of the United States even before the US entered the war.
The Plot For a Far Eastern Munich
By Mao Tse Tung (May 1941)
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-3/mswv3_03.htm
 

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On a somewhat related note, Japan's kamikaze pilot technique against US ships was extremely affective
If by "affective" you mean "emotional" I guess you're right, but that's a bit vague. But of course you mean effective in which case...
More American ships were lost at Okinawa than at Pearl Harbor
And how many Japanese pilots/ planes were lost at Okinawa, compared with Pearl Harbor?
I don't know.
Well it's pretty important information to get a handle on before declaring whether the tactic was effective.
No. That's only if you assume that losses to the Japanese counted the same as they do to you. That's what you need to get a handle on; you're looking at this from a 'body count POV' which is the same error Americans did in Vietnam

(some learn by their mistakes)
 

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Iconodule said:
Dionysii said:
"The embargo on petroleum products all but forced Japan into the war"
OR they could have stopped trying to colonize East Asia and murdering people all over the place. I realize at this point the Western colonial powers had a bit of a double standard... but still.
There I agree with you. History has shown that Japan can be a mighty economic power WITHOUT an overseas empire
 

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montalban said:
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On a somewhat related note, Japan's kamikaze pilot technique against US ships was extremely affective
If by "affective" you mean "emotional" I guess you're right, but that's a bit vague. But of course you mean effective in which case...
More American ships were lost at Okinawa than at Pearl Harbor
And how many Japanese pilots/ planes were lost at Okinawa, compared with Pearl Harbor?
I don't know.
Well it's pretty important information to get a handle on before declaring whether the tactic was effective.
No. That's only if you assume that losses to the Japanese counted the same as they do to you. That's what you need to get a handle on; you're looking at this from a 'body count POV'
I'm not actually. You were the one that said, "they sank more ships, therefore more effective." And again, the question is, was the kamikaze tactic effective? Clearly it was not. It did not accomplish their short-term goals, it did not accomplish their long-term goals.
 

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montalban said:
More American ships were lost at Okinawa than at Pearl Harbor
Well, the two are hardly comparable. No American capital ship was lost at Okinawa; the vast majority were landing craft, PT boats, and other small craft. And there were a lot of them to shoot at: the Japanese damaged 482 American vessels of all kinds! By contrast, there were only a hundred vessels of all sorts, including a floating drydock, pontoons and lighters, and a Coast Guard cutter. The engagement at Okinawa, it should also be noted, lasted over a month and a half. The only significant naval engagement saw of force of ten ships (including the Yamato squashed by a fleet that included eleven carriers, never mind the rest of the force.
 

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montalban said:
You're missing Japan's strategy at that time.

Japan's strategy had ceased being the gaining of possessions to gaining time.

By inflicting heavy losses they had hoped to weaken America's resolve. This same tactic worked in Vietnam
Well, it hadn't worked yet, so it hardly could serve as a precedent.

And besides, the Japanese had plenty of time to figure out that it was a failing strategy. They inflicted huge casualties at Tarawa (which was arguably not worth taking anyway), and we kept coming. The did it again at Peleliu, and at Tinian, and so forth, and we kept coming. Repeating something that is manifestly failing is the epitome of stupidity.

As for maintaining a resolve: Pearl Harbor made it easy.
 

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I'm not actually. You were the one that said, "they sank more ships, therefore more effective." And again, the question is, was the kamikaze tactic effective? Clearly it was not. It did not accomplish their short-term goals, it did not accomplish their long-term goals.
That's right. They sank more ships. They were effective. Their goal was not "Hey, let's hang on to our pilots", but "Hey, lets destroy as much of the enemy as we can." You quibble about how many pilots they lost. I pointed out that pilot loss was not their concern. You point out again pilot loss. Again I note it wasn't their concern.

I also noted why their long-term goals didn't work; and it was nothing to do with this action. It involved two factors; the bomb and, the Soviet Union entering the war. Both of which were not anticipated by the Japanese. But I also note that destroying large amounts of the enemy, regardless of the cost to one's own forces worked in Vietnam.

 

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They were effective insofar as they destroyed more of their enemy - which is the goal in war.
Go tell that to Pyrrhus.

The goal of war needs to be to establish the desired political outcome. Destroying the enemy is but one possible means to that end.

The goal of the war, for Japan, was to establish control over a region of east Asia and the Pacific. The USA was a potential threat due to our presence in the Philippines and the likelihood that we might defend our interests there and elsewhere in the region. Attacking Pearl only made sense under the assumption that we would respond, but they had to force us out of the war right away by making it impossible for us to maintain a military presence in Hawaii. To do this, they had to seize the islands, which is the other reason why the loss at Midway was so devastating to them. But the attack (a) was galvanizing of policy, and (b) raised them from a threat to an enemy. Before, they worried that we might interfere with their plans; after, they guaranteed that we would interfere, unless we were made incapable of doing so. After Midway, they couldn't stop us, and gave us reason to render them incapable of exerting military force. As long as we had the resolve to do so, they were lost; and that they lost at every single step after their initial attacks, giving us confidence of eventual success.
 

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Well, it hadn't worked yet, so it hardly could serve as a precedent.
Of course it had. It was destroying large amounts of American material, and killing lots of men.
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And besides, the Japanese had plenty of time to figure out that it was a failing strategy. They inflicted huge casualties at Tarawa (which was arguably not worth taking anyway), and we kept coming. The did it again at Peleliu, and at Tinian, and so forth, and we kept coming. Repeating something that is manifestly failing is the epitome of stupidity.
So it was stupid for America to keep taking huge losses?

America destroyed (by firebombing) huge swathes of Japanese cities but this didn't bring Japan to surrender - by your logic, this too was stupid.
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As for maintaining a resolve: Pearl Harbor made it easy.
I recall at the beginning of Clint Eastwood's recent film on Iwo Jima ("Flags of Our Fathers") they talked about America's flagging resolve - evidenced by falls in US Bonds purchases
 

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They were effective insofar as they destroyed more of their enemy - which is the goal in war.
Go tell that to Pyrrhus.
I've already dealt with that. Pyrrhus was not about wasting his own men. Japan and, Vietnam were.

You keep applying western-values and judging the enemy's plans by your values... which as I noted, is why the US lost in Vietnam. They were utterly convinced that they were winning by measuring body-counts.


It seems your posts are simply to keep repeating endlessly your own western values. It's why the US might well lose again if you can't learn from your mistakes.
 

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The goal of the war, for Japan, was to establish control over a region of east Asia and the Pacific. The USA was a potential threat due to our presence in the Philippines and the likelihood that we might defend our interests there and elsewhere in the region. Attacking Pearl only made sense under the assumption that we would respond, but they had to force us out of the war right away by making it impossible for us to maintain a military presence in Hawaii. To do this, they had to seize the islands, which is the other reason why the loss at Midway was so devastating to them. But the attack (a) was galvanizing of policy, and (b) raised them from a threat to an enemy. Before, they worried that we might interfere with their plans; after, they guaranteed that we would interfere, unless we were made incapable of doing so. After Midway, they couldn't stop us, and gave us reason to render them incapable of exerting military force. As long as we had the resolve to do so, they were lost; and that they lost at every single step after their initial attacks, giving us confidence of eventual success.
I don't doubt that the US had resolve. But destroying huge numbers of men could well have made it a case of "Is it really worth it?"

Fortunately the US had the Atomic Bomb. Just as fortunately the Soviet Union entered the war - which to Japan had the effect much the same as that on Germany when the US entered WWI

Suddenly a nation was facing a brand new enemy with millions more men in resources.

 

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I have dealt extensively with the Japanese...
They are Borg.. Really.. They have a hive mentality. They are very much different than we are ( less so these days of course).
They may as well be from another planet.
And there are other people who have dealt extensively with Japanese who will say you are wrong. From my own experience, I would agree with them.
The etiqueete is very much different. 

Saving face is central to their ethos and is extreme. I have stories about how crazy they over this.

They have an exaggerated and extreme group mentality. They have little use for Western individualism. Your membership and enthusiastic participation is central to you life.

Their hierarchical structure has a totally different patten. .Many jobs expect you to stay at work until very late and then go get a drink..not optional. There is a problem in Japan with people dropping from exhaustion.

I had a good friend who worked in Japan for 10 years. He was very bitter about his experience. He said they will always be polite to you but they will never ever ever ever accept you.

My Buddhist teacher was an American and a professional translator of ancient Japanese Buddhists documents. Also bitter about his dealings with them. I was invited to go there several times by my group, all expenses paid ..which is very nice. But my American teacher told me they wanted to just "walk the dog"..They wanted to show off their American follower which helps to salve their feelings of inferiority to us.

oh and when you talk about WW2 with them you may discover that all they care about is Hiroshima. They make it sound like we started the War by dropping the bomb. Their consciousness begins and ends with them getting nuked.
Hey, better to be polite and not accept you than to be rude and ignorant and not accept you.

So, the Japanese have a different culture and different sensibilities.  Not every culture can be as cool and accepting and warm and wonderful as "western" culture  ::).  This does not make them "Borg" (since they don't, apparently according to your friend, accept or assimilate others), it does not make them inhuman, and it is no reason to criticize, much less demonize them in any way, shape, or form.

Try to imagine how Americans might feel about WW2 if *we* had been nuked....twice.  I guess we might be a little sensitive about it.

What seems clear to me from what you write is that you don't really understand Japanese culture at any deep level.  Not that there's any need or reason for you to if you don't want to.

I, too, have a friend who spent many years in Japan, first to learn the language, and then ended up working there for quite a long time.  Her experience, once she made the effort to learn about Japanese culture, etc, was totally different, in a very positive way, from what you and your friend describe.  Which goes to show how careful we must be about making generalizations about whole cultures and peoples.


They are Borg because they have a Group Mentality..

They take no responsibility for WW2. All many of them  are conscious of is Hiroshima, which was well justified IMHO.

But thanks for jumping in. Your participation is always something to look forward to.
Why, thank you  ;)!

Thanks for sharing your own opinions, which pretty much dehumanize a whole people and culture.
Thank God we have you stalking me and ready to put things right !

Keep standing up for what is right. Terrific job.. Thanks again
If replying to your posts in multiple threads or fora equals "stalking" you, or if you think I've violated any of the rules of this board, I invite you to report me to the mods and justify your accusation.  Yes, I do attempt to stand up for what is right.  Sorry that's a problem for you.
I honestly believe that you devote time to looking for any errors I make or exaggerations or hanging statements. You never miss an opportunity to take a shot.. That is not a violation of any forum rule. But you already know that I am sure.

If you can just back off an inch or two once in awhile I would appreciate it. That is not a demand just a request. 
 
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