Jews and their wives

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Hi,
Ive heard/read that the Jews can marry up to 4 wives providing they can financially maintain them all.However, I believe this has now been abolished to be in line with "the modern world". I wanted to know, Is polygamy allowed according to the Jewish Law?If this is the case, then this was changed in the New Testament, is this right?
 

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That's a lie. That's the Muslims who can marry up to four wives, and they probably put words in the Jewish people's mouths, to make up for the fact that Islam did not exist until centuries after Christ.
 

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biro said:
That's a lie. That's the Muslims who can marry up to four wives, and they probably put words in the Jewish people's mouths, to make up for the fact that Islam did not exist until centuries after Christ.
Please read, this is from the Jews forum.

http://www.jewswithquestions.com/index.php?/topic/208-having-multiple-wives/
http://judaism.about.com/od/torah/f/multiplewives.htm
 

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Well, Jews today are monogamous. The only people who still say it's okay to marry up to four people are certain Muslim countries, and a few other places where polygamy is legal. It's not legal in the U.S. or in Israel, which have the largest populations of Jews.

You please read, before you go posting these things. I've never met a Jew who said it was okay to be polygamous, in the present day. It may have been accepted in ancient times, but there is no way it's okay with them today. No mainstream or Orthodox groups, anyway.

 

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biro said:
Well, Jews today are monogamous. The only people who still say it's okay to marry up to four people are certain Muslim countries, and a few other places where polygamy is legal. It's not legal in the U.S. or in Israel, which have the largest populations of Jews.

You please read, before you go posting these things. I've never met a Jew who said it was okay to be polygamous, in the present day. It may have been accepted in ancient times, but there is no way it's okay with them today. No mainstream or Orthodox groups, anyway.
The Jews used to marry multiple wives in the past before it's got abolished if you read the links.

My questions is not whether they are allowed now, All I want to know is whether the Jewish law in the Torah actually allows to have more than one wife..
 

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andrewlya said:
All I want to know is whether the Jewish law in the Torah actually allows to have more than one wife..
The Torah obviously does since there are countless examples of people in the Old Testament who had more than one wife.
 

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http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/558598/jewish/Does-Jewish-law-forbid-polygamy.htm

There ya go, horse's mouth and all.
 

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Orthodox11 said:
andrewlya said:
All I want to know is whether the Jewish law in the Torah actually allows to have more than one wife..
The Torah obviously does since there are countless examples of people in the Old Testament who had more than one wife.
Doesn't mean they were approved of. Probably they were imitating the pagans around them.

How many people were in the Garden of Eden, by comparison?

Just two. That was the original concept. The only one picked by God. Everything else... you're guessing.
 

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biro said:
Well, Jews today are monogamous. The only people who still say it's okay to marry up to four people are certain Muslim countries, and a few other places where polygamy is legal. It's not legal in the U.S. or in Israel, which have the largest populations of Jews.

You please read, before you go posting these things. I've never met a Jew who said it was okay to be polygamous, in the present day. It may have been accepted in ancient times, but there is no way it's okay with them today. No mainstream or Orthodox groups, anyway.
The only thing condemned in the scriptures on Polygamy is that a Bishop must only have one wife.  This part is ignored in the EO church, and bishops are not allowed to have a wife.

This means that polygamy was basically condemned by a council of men (bishops), none which were married.

Morally I do not find anything wrong with polygamy, I do believe it to be biblical and fine for men to practice.  *Note* this does not mean I believe in group sex.  This means biblical polygamy.  This is where a man is married to multiple women, loves and cares for them all.   Nothing about being a bully, dictator, etc.  This means that his wives love him, and he loves them.  They all work as a family.

Now, to stave off the questions, YES my wife agrees with me and says she is perfectly open to polygamy if that is where I feel God is calling me.  However, I personally do not believe God is calling me to have more than my wife, as I do not desire other women emotionally or physically.  I'm extremely happy in a monogamous marriage and want no more.  Plus the honey-do list from two women would be incredible ;)

As far as legality, I don't want to get into the issues because they could be considered political.  However, I can state that the laws vary by state.  Some states say it is okay so long as on paper the man is married to one wife, and the others just through his religion.  Some states say that a man can't consider himself married to multiple women period.  Some are more concerned about tax status, financial, etc.

As far as a woman with multiple husbands, this is not biblical.   Since the biblical structure is for the man to show love but lead his family, and the wife or wives submitting.  Also if there were two husbands and a woman were to get pregnant, without MODERN Science involved you would not know who the father was.  It would ruin the concept of biblical lineage.  On the flip side, a man with two wives, you would know who the father was.

It's not a popular way to think in our modern culture.... I don't have an issue with it myself, but certainly it is not my cup of tea.
 

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biro said:
Well, Jews today are monogamous. The only people who still say it's okay to marry up to four people are certain Muslim countries, and a few other places where polygamy is legal. It's not legal in the U.S. or in Israel, which have the largest populations of Jews.

You please read, before you go posting these things. I've never met a Jew who said it was okay to be polygamous, in the present day. It may have been accepted in ancient times, but there is no way it's okay with them today. No mainstream or Orthodox groups, anyway.
Actually, many Sephardic, Yemenite, and Mizrahi Jews still support polygamy.
 

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JamesRottnek said:
biro said:
Well, Jews today are monogamous. The only people who still say it's okay to marry up to four people are certain Muslim countries, and a few other places where polygamy is legal. It's not legal in the U.S. or in Israel, which have the largest populations of Jews.

You please read, before you go posting these things. I've never met a Jew who said it was okay to be polygamous, in the present day. It may have been accepted in ancient times, but there is no way it's okay with them today. No mainstream or Orthodox groups, anyway.
Actually, many Sephardic, Yemenite, and Mizrahi Jews still support polygamy.
How dare you contradict Biro...
 

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JamesRottnek said:
biro said:
Well, Jews today are monogamous. The only people who still say it's okay to marry up to four people are certain Muslim countries, and a few other places where polygamy is legal. It's not legal in the U.S. or in Israel, which have the largest populations of Jews.

You please read, before you go posting these things. I've never met a Jew who said it was okay to be polygamous, in the present day. It may have been accepted in ancient times, but there is no way it's okay with them today. No mainstream or Orthodox groups, anyway.
Actually, many Sephardic, Yemenite, and Mizrahi Jews still support polygamy.
First I've heard of it.
 

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I think it is the Muslims who in present times can marry up to four wives. Most modern day sects of Judaism are monogamous--save a few really old-school groups. In ancient times, however, Jews were allowed to have multiple wives. The Torah even condones it. The New Testament as well says nothing to suggest that marriage is now supposed to be monogamous. One could argue that they didn't have to, since it was already taken for granted due to the fact that the Roman empire only allowed monogamous marriage I believe. But that seems like kind of a speculative argument. Personally, this is another one of the things that the Church teaches which I have trouble accepting because the reasoning seems weak, such as a condemnation against fornication--which, is a later meaning we applied to the word. The original word meant temple prostitution, or the condemnation against homosexuality. Funny how the male g-spot is located in the anus...
 

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yeshuaisiam said:
Morally I do not find anything wrong with polygamy, I do believe it to be biblical and fine for men to practice.  *Note* this does not mean I believe in group sex.  This means biblical polygamy.  This is where a man is married to multiple women, loves and cares for them all.  Nothing about being a bully, dictator, etc.  This means that his wives love him, and he loves them.  They all work as a family.

Now, to stave off the questions, YES my wife agrees with me and says she is perfectly open to polygamy if that is where I feel God is calling me.  However, I personally do not believe God is calling me to have more than my wife, as I do not desire other women emotionally or physically.  I'm extremely happy in a monogamous marriage and want no more.  Plus the honey-do list from two women would be incredible ;)
 

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No offense to anyone, but contrary to what most people think, I believe that God in the Old Testament was actually more appealing than God in the New Testament. The OT God was much more simple and basic with His instructions for us, making it very clear what He wanted us to do and not to do, and leaving open room for error because He knew how hard it is (as much as people don't want to admit it) to stay monogamous or to wait until marriage for sex, which is why if you had sex with someone before marriage, He only required that you married each other. God in the NT is much more confusing, strict, abstract and depressing.
 

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JamesRottnek said:
biro said:
Well, Jews today are monogamous. The only people who still say it's okay to marry up to four people are certain Muslim countries, and a few other places where polygamy is legal. It's not legal in the U.S. or in Israel, which have the largest populations of Jews.

You please read, before you go posting these things. I've never met a Jew who said it was okay to be polygamous, in the present day. It may have been accepted in ancient times, but there is no way it's okay with them today. No mainstream or Orthodox groups, anyway.
Actually, many Sephardic, Yemenite, and Mizrahi Jews still support polygamy.
In Judaism there is a pricipal "the law of the land is the law"; if a civil law doesn't case you violate G-d's law, it must be obeyed. Since polygamy is illegal in most countries today Jews must obey that law and have only one wife.I've read that some Sephardic, Yemenite, and Mizrahi Jews living in countries where polygamy is legal and a few do practice polygamy. There is nothing in the Torah that forbids this. these are mostly living in isolated rural areas. Also since polygamy is illegal in Isreal, most Jews in these countries don't practice polygamy since it would cause problems if they ever wanted to move there.
 

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Tallitot said:
JamesRottnek said:
biro said:
Well, Jews today are monogamous. The only people who still say it's okay to marry up to four people are certain Muslim countries, and a few other places where polygamy is legal. It's not legal in the U.S. or in Israel, which have the largest populations of Jews.

You please read, before you go posting these things. I've never met a Jew who said it was okay to be polygamous, in the present day. It may have been accepted in ancient times, but there is no way it's okay with them today. No mainstream or Orthodox groups, anyway.
Actually, many Sephardic, Yemenite, and Mizrahi Jews still support polygamy.
In Judaism there is a pricipal "the law of the land is the law"; if a civil law doesn't case you violate G-d's law, it must be obeyed. Since polygamy is illegal in most countries today Jews must obey that law and have only one wife.I've read that some Sephardic, Yemenite, and Mizrahi Jews living in countries where polygamy is legal and a few do practice polygamy. There is nothing in the Torah that forbids this. these are mostly living in isolated rural areas. Also since polygamy is illegal in Isreal, most Jews in these countries don't practice polygamy since it would cause problems if they ever wanted to move there.
Illegal?  There are numerous polygamous families in Palestine.  And if, "the law of the land is the land" and they think that the Torah gives them that land, and the Torah allows polygamy, well....
 

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ialmisry said:
Tallitot said:
JamesRottnek said:
biro said:
Well, Jews today are monogamous. The only people who still say it's okay to marry up to four people are certain Muslim countries, and a few other places where polygamy is legal. It's not legal in the U.S. or in Israel, which have the largest populations of Jews.

You please read, before you go posting these things. I've never met a Jew who said it was okay to be polygamous, in the present day. It may have been accepted in ancient times, but there is no way it's okay with them today. No mainstream or Orthodox groups, anyway.
Actually, many Sephardic, Yemenite, and Mizrahi Jews still support polygamy.
In Judaism there is a pricipal "the law of the land is the law"; if a civil law doesn't case you violate G-d's law, it must be obeyed. Since polygamy is illegal in most countries today Jews must obey that law and have only one wife.I've read that some Sephardic, Yemenite, and Mizrahi Jews living in countries where polygamy is legal and a few do practice polygamy. There is nothing in the Torah that forbids this. these are mostly living in isolated rural areas. Also since polygamy is illegal in Isreal, most Jews in these countries don't practice polygamy since it would cause problems if they ever wanted to move there.
Illegal?  There are numerous polygamous families in Palestine.  And if, "the law of the land is the land" and they think that the Torah gives them that land, and the Torah allows polygamy, well....
I was refering to isreali civil law.
 

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Tallitot said:
ialmisry said:
Tallitot said:
JamesRottnek said:
biro said:
Well, Jews today are monogamous. The only people who still say it's okay to marry up to four people are certain Muslim countries, and a few other places where polygamy is legal. It's not legal in the U.S. or in Israel, which have the largest populations of Jews.

You please read, before you go posting these things. I've never met a Jew who said it was okay to be polygamous, in the present day. It may have been accepted in ancient times, but there is no way it's okay with them today. No mainstream or Orthodox groups, anyway.
Actually, many Sephardic, Yemenite, and Mizrahi Jews still support polygamy.
In Judaism there is a pricipal "the law of the land is the law"; if a civil law doesn't case you violate G-d's law, it must be obeyed. Since polygamy is illegal in most countries today Jews must obey that law and have only one wife.I've read that some Sephardic, Yemenite, and Mizrahi Jews living in countries where polygamy is legal and a few do practice polygamy. There is nothing in the Torah that forbids this. these are mostly living in isolated rural areas. Also since polygamy is illegal in Isreal, most Jews in these countries don't practice polygamy since it would cause problems if they ever wanted to move there.
Illegal?  There are numerous polygamous families in Palestine.  And if, "the law of the land is the land" and they think that the Torah gives them that land, and the Torah allows polygamy, well....
I was refering to isreali civil law.
no such animal when it comes to marriage. Or Orthodox Judaism.
 

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Tallitot said:
JamesRottnek said:
biro said:
Well, Jews today are monogamous. The only people who still say it's okay to marry up to four people are certain Muslim countries, and a few other places where polygamy is legal. It's not legal in the U.S. or in Israel, which have the largest populations of Jews.

You please read, before you go posting these things. I've never met a Jew who said it was okay to be polygamous, in the present day. It may have been accepted in ancient times, but there is no way it's okay with them today. No mainstream or Orthodox groups, anyway.
Actually, many Sephardic, Yemenite, and Mizrahi Jews still support polygamy.
In Judaism there is a pricipal "the law of the land is the law"; if a civil law doesn't case you violate G-d's law, it must be obeyed. Since polygamy is illegal in most countries today Jews must obey that law and have only one wife.I've read that some Sephardic, Yemenite, and Mizrahi Jews living in countries where polygamy is legal and a few do practice polygamy. There is nothing in the Torah that forbids this. these are mostly living in isolated rural areas. Also since polygamy is illegal in Isreal, most Jews in these countries don't practice polygamy since it would cause problems if they ever wanted to move there.
Right.  I didn't mean to imply that if you ran into a Sephardic Jew in America he was probably a polygamist, only that non-Ashkenazim never banned polygamy, except in so far as their home country did.
 
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