Jews and their wives

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JamesR said:
The original word meant temple prostitution
I find that extremely unlikely. The whole "temple prostitution was all over the ancient world" thing largely comes from Greek polemics/legends about other peoples (see: Herodotus's account of the Babylonians).

A lot of conservative evangelicals love that argument, because it "justifies" certain OT proscriptions. But its supporters are lacking in archaeological and historical support, at least any support they know about themselves.
 

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rakovsky said:
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JamesR said:
Funny how the male g-spot is located in the anus...
Billions of males the world over have and will live their lives without using this. I can do it too.
Well why did God put it there if we weren't meant to use it? If homosexuality is so unnatural and bad, why does it seem like our bodies were made for it?

Anyhow, the story of the Prodigal Son is one of the most depressing parables ever. I hate it. The worst is how the good son doesn't receive crap in the end, and it makes me feel like I am toiling and wasting away opportunity for pleasure for no good reason at all, if people could indulge in all the pleasure they want right now and just repent at the end and get a big party for it like the prodigal son.
 

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JamesR said:
rakovsky said:
rakovsky said:
JamesR said:
Funny how the male g-spot is located in the anus...
Billions of males the world over have and will live their lives without using this. I can do it too.
Well why did God put it there if we weren't meant to use it? If homosexuality is so unnatural and bad, why does it seem like our bodies were made for it?
As to your first question, consider: Why did God give us an appendix and tonsils? Why do we have gills briefly when we are in the womb?

They are vestigial organs that are no longer used. I can point out that in more primitive animals the sexual and waste organs are located in the same cavity. I am not sure there is a theological reason behind vestigial organs. However, it is worth considering the possibility that it does serve some normal purpose- directing the organs to the proper place or heightening normal activity. After all, it is not exactly in the a--s, that is just a way to access the prostate.

As to your second question, consider: If some other things in the world are so unnatural and bad, why does it seem like some bodies are meant to do them? There are a number of unnatural or bad things in the world that animals use organs for.

I had some gerbils and occasionally some of them used their big rhodent teeth to chew on their nails. One of them kept going and chewed on his toes. It must have felt attractive to him somehow because next he chewed them off and moved onto his foot. The gerbil kept going and all it had left was a stump.

Perhaps vestigial organs really still do serve some purpose: the appendix, a former intestine, might contain some chemicals that are helpful for digestion. But that does not mean one should pack it with its former material. The same is true for other cavities.
 

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JamesR said:
Anyhow, the story of the Prodigal Son is one of the most depressing parables ever. I hate it. The worst is how the good son doesn't receive crap in the end, and it makes me feel like I am toiling and wasting away opportunity for pleasure for no good reason at all, if people could indulge in all the pleasure they want right now and just repent at the end and get a big party for it like the prodigal son.
??? Are you reading the same Gospel of Luke I am?

And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
 

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JamesR said:
rakovsky said:
rakovsky said:
JamesR said:
Funny how the male g-spot is located in the anus...
Billions of males the world over have and will live their lives without using this. I can do it too.
Well why did God put it there if we weren't meant to use it? If homosexuality is so unnatural and bad, why does it seem like our bodies were made for it?

Anyhow, the story of the Prodigal Son is one of the most depressing parables ever. I hate it. The worst is how the good son doesn't receive crap in the end, and it makes me feel like I am toiling and wasting away opportunity for pleasure for no good reason at all, if people could indulge in all the pleasure they want right now and just repent at the end and get a big party for it like the prodigal son.
We were not made for it. There is an incredibly high rate of anal cancer among gay men, and this type of sex passes all kinds of bateria and parasites from partner to partner. What is more, because the amount of tear involved in this type of sex, it is a much easier way to contract HIV than regular sex.
 

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"Jews and their wives" sounds like a some new antisemitist book by Martin Luther.
 

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Michał Kalina said:
How has it switched to another thread about homosexuality?
Because JamesR needs to complain about something in every thread and complaining about homosexuality (or lack thereof) is as good a thing as any.

 

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Michał Kalina said:
How has it switched to another thread about homosexuality?
JamesR said:
The New Testament says nothing to suggest that marriage is now supposed to be monogamous. Personally, this is another one of the things that the Church teaches which I have trouble accepting because the reasoning seems weak, such as... the condemnation against homosexuality.
 

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Alpo said:
"Jews and their wives" sounds like a some new antisemitist book by Martin Luther.
Whatchu talkin' bout?

Martin Luther loved Jews; that's why he had such a fetish for that Masoretic text bro.
 

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NicholasMyra said:
Aindriú said:
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For instance, the prodigal son parable, is symbolic. . . . but it illustrates that with a humble heart and in humility our father will accept us back.
Only have time to snipe lately, but if you think this is what the parable is about, you need to reread it or choose words that fall within some degree of precision to describe what you think it means.
Yeah I thought his interpretation of it was embarrasing to say the least.
Where exactly did he go wrong?
For one, in the parable, the Father runs to meet the son before the son even displays any humility. In other words, the forgiveness precedes the repentance. Just as God wants to forgive us before we seek his forgiveness.
Really?  Just coming back was a sign of humility - or humiliation.
 

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How is it that the religion that came up with the soul mate idea allows polygamy?
 

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Punch said:
NicholasMyra said:
Aindriú said:
The son was already showing humility in his return
The father didn't know any of that yet. All he knew was that his son was alive again.
That is a stretch.
How?

"But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion for him, and ran and embraced him and kissed him."

 

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NicholasMyra said:
William said:
How is it that the religion that came up with the soul mate idea allows polygamy?
soul mate is not a Christian idea IMO.
It is a Jewish idea though.

But some prominent rabbis have expressed the viewpoint that polygamy is allowed by the Torah not because it is good, but simply because it is a recognition of the fact that a man could impregnate two women, one right after another, whereas a woman could not become pregnant by two men at once.
 

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JamesRottnek said:
NicholasMyra said:
William said:
How is it that the religion that came up with the soul mate idea allows polygamy?
soul mate is not a Christian idea IMO.
It is a Jewish idea though.

But some prominent rabbis have expressed the viewpoint that polygamy is allowed by the Torah not because it is good, but simply because it is a recognition of the fact that a man could impregnate two women, one right after another, whereas a woman could not become pregnant by two men at once.
It has happened.
 

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JamesR said:
rakovsky said:
rakovsky said:
JamesR said:
Funny how the male g-spot is located in the anus...
Billions of males the world over have and will live their lives without using this. I can do it too.
Well why did God put it there if we weren't meant to use it? If homosexuality is so unnatural and bad, why does it seem like our bodies were made for it?

Anyhow, the story of the Prodigal Son is one of the most depressing parables ever. I hate it. The worst is how the good son doesn't receive crap in the end, and it makes me feel like I am toiling and wasting away opportunity for pleasure for no good reason at all, if people could indulge in all the pleasure they want right now and just repent at the end and get a big party for it like the prodigal son.
James, actually this isn't true.
28 “The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. 29 But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’

31 “‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32 But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’”


"you are always with me, and everything I have is yours".  This is incredibly powerful, but the older son was just blind to it.

The prodigal son repented, thus cause of celebration.  The older son has "everything".
 

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NicholasMyra said:
JamesRottnek said:
NicholasMyra said:
William said:
How is it that the religion that came up with the soul mate idea allows polygamy?
soul mate is not a Christian idea IMO.
It is a Jewish idea though.
Where is it found?
Genesis Rabbah 68 declares that heaven appoints a man's wife.  Then in the Babylonian Talmud, in tractate Sotah 2a, we find the following: Rabbah b. Bar Hanah said in the name of R. Johanan: It is as difficult to pair them as was
the division of the Red Sea; as it is said: God
setteth the solitary in families: He bringeth
out the prisoners into prosperity!  But it is
not so; for Rab Judah has said in the name of
Rab: Forty days before the creation of a
child, a Bath Kol (a heavenly voice proclaiming the judgment or will of God) issues forth and proclaims,
The daughter of A is for B; the house of C is
for D; the field of E is for F! — There is no
contradiction, the latter dictum referring to a
first marriage and the former to a second
marriage. (Taken from the Soncino Babylonian Talmud)

There are also other tractates from the Babylonian Talmud (I'm not sure if there are any mentioning it in the Jerusalem Talmud, nor where one might find more discussion of the idea in later Rabbinic works) that mention the idea of a soul mate, but I don't recall them off the top of my head.
 

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That seems to refer to marriages that would occur as part of the larger economy of God, rather than the idea two people are created with some sort of soul connection, as is believed in popular american mythology when "soulmate" is used.
 

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andrewlya said:
Hi,
Ive heard/read that the Jews can marry up to 4 wives providing they can financially maintain them all.However, I believe this has now been abolished to be in line with "the modern world". I wanted to know, Is polygamy allowed according to the Jewish Law?If this is the case, then this was changed in the New Testament, is this right?
There is no concept of Purgatory in Judaism so that makes no sense...
 

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Marc1152 said:
andrewlya said:
Hi,
Ive heard/read that the Jews can marry up to 4 wives providing they can financially maintain them all.However, I believe this has now been abolished to be in line with "the modern world". I wanted to know, Is polygamy allowed according to the Jewish Law?If this is the case, then this was changed in the New Testament, is this right?
There is no concept of Purgatory in Judaism so that makes no sense...
I have seen numerous Jews describe their view on temporal hell as essentially being equivalent to purgatory.
 

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William said:
Marc1152 said:
andrewlya said:
Hi,
Ive heard/read that the Jews can marry up to 4 wives providing they can financially maintain them all.However, I believe this has now been abolished to be in line with "the modern world". I wanted to know, Is polygamy allowed according to the Jewish Law?If this is the case, then this was changed in the New Testament, is this right?
There is no concept of Purgatory in Judaism so that makes no sense...
I have seen numerous Jews describe their view on temporal hell as essentially being equivalent to purgatory.
I've also met Jews who think it's okay to eat pork and Orthodox Christians who think that Jesus was a Greek and Odysseus was a prophet; don't base everything off of anecdotal evidence.
 

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JamesR said:
William said:
Marc1152 said:
andrewlya said:
Hi,
Ive heard/read that the Jews can marry up to 4 wives providing they can financially maintain them all.However, I believe this has now been abolished to be in line with "the modern world". I wanted to know, Is polygamy allowed according to the Jewish Law?If this is the case, then this was changed in the New Testament, is this right?
There is no concept of Purgatory in Judaism so that makes no sense...
I have seen numerous Jews describe their view on temporal hell as essentially being equivalent to purgatory.
I've also met Jews who think it's okay to eat pork and Orthodox Christians who think that Jesus was a Greek and Odysseus was a prophet; don't base everything off of anecdotal evidence.
Okay, I'll just wait for JamesRottnek to quote some rabbi about how Jewish hell is temporal.
 

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William said:
Marc1152 said:
andrewlya said:
Hi,
Ive heard/read that the Jews can marry up to 4 wives providing they can financially maintain them all.However, I believe this has now been abolished to be in line with "the modern world". I wanted to know, Is polygamy allowed according to the Jewish Law?If this is the case, then this was changed in the New Testament, is this right?
There is no concept of Purgatory in Judaism so that makes no sense...
I have seen numerous Jews describe their view on temporal hell as essentially being equivalent to purgatory.
is joking.. You missed it
 
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