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Last-minute politics overshadow historic pan-Orthodox council

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Last-minute politics overshadow historic pan-Orthodox council

PARIS — A religious summit last held more than 1,200 years ago suddenly risks being downgraded or postponed because of Syria’s four-year civil war. This unexpected twist has come as the world’s Orthodox churches, the second-largest ecclesial family in Christianity, were supposed to be only months away from their first major council since 787.

Now it is no longer clear when or where the Holy and Great Council of the Orthodox Church, a summit first proposed at least as far back as 1961 and provisionally scheduled for May in Istanbul, will be held.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/last-minute-politics-overshadow-historic-pan-orthodox-council/2015/12/18/e9ef94d0-a5cf-11e5-8318-bd8caed8c588_story.html
 

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Seriously, if MP reuses to participate because of that reason that would be a shame.
 

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This article proves how Wikipedia can be a liability for reporters.

787?  What's planned is a far cry from an Ecumenical Council.  More like a tea party with a formally ambiguous statement at the end.
 

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FatherGiryus said:
This article proves how Wikipedia can be a liability for reporters.

787?  What's planned is a far cry from an Ecumenical Council.  More like a tea party with a formally ambiguous statement at the end.
You would expect more from the Washington Post.......
 

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If I was a Russian bishop, I'm not sure I would be wild about traveling to Turkey at this particular time. Can't they have it moved to another location somewhere within the EP's jurisdiction?
 

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Adela said:
FatherGiryus said:
This article proves how Wikipedia can be a liability for reporters.

787?  What's planned is a far cry from an Ecumenical Council.  More like a tea party with a formally ambiguous statement at the end.
You would expect more from the Washington Post.......
Then why you posts articles you know that are flawed without any comments?
 

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mike said:
Adela said:
FatherGiryus said:
This article proves how Wikipedia can be a liability for reporters.

787?  What's planned is a far cry from an Ecumenical Council.  More like a tea party with a formally ambiguous statement at the end.
You would expect more from the Washington Post.......
Then why you posts articles you know that are flawed without any comments?
Because, it's important to see how you are portrayed in the mainstream media.  Posting an article here doesn't mean you are a co-author, or are a proponent of the views, necessarily.  Perhaps you should think a little more deeply.
 

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FatherGiryus said:
This article proves how Wikipedia can be a liability for reporters.

787?  What's planned is a far cry from an Ecumenical Council.  More like a tea party with a formally ambiguous statement at the end.
The Ecumenical Patriarchate, headquarters of the loosely-tied Orthodox family, is based there, as is Orthodoxy’s spiritual leader Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I.  The plan was to hold the council in Hagia Irene, a church-turned-museum in the Topkapi Palace complex where the Council of Constantinople confirmed the Nicene Creed in 381.
That would be significant to have a council in the same church as the Council of Constantinople.  I noticed there are very comments on this article.
 

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FatherGiryus said:
This article proves how Wikipedia can be a liability for reporters.

787?  What's planned is a far cry from an Ecumenical Council.  More like a tea party with a formally ambiguous statement at the end.
I didn't see wikipedia mentioned (and before the internet, when reporters supposedly did that 'leg work' thing, they still weren't very accurate with stories on Orthodoxy); nor did I see it called an Ecumenical Council (it was called a major council, which, considering that most of Orthodoxy has no idea what this thing is, can't be nitpicked too much). I did see the article say that there are 300 million Orthodox and over 200 million of them are under the Russians, but then those two bits of absurdity being out there are more the fault of the religious bodies being discussed.
 

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TheTrisagion said:
If I was a Russian bishop, I'm not sure I would be wild about traveling to Turkey at this particular time. Can't they have it moved to another location somewhere within the EP's jurisdiction?
Isn't Western Europe under the EP's jurisdiction? I know that Finland is under the EP, and it seems like it'd be ideal in a number of ways (it's far away from the Middle East turmoil, borders Russia, but is under the EP, and it even has Orthodoxy as one of its two official religions). Council of Helsinki has a nice ring to it.
 

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Minnesotan said:
TheTrisagion said:
If I was a Russian bishop, I'm not sure I would be wild about traveling to Turkey at this particular time. Can't they have it moved to another location somewhere within the EP's jurisdiction?
Isn't Western Europe under the EP's jurisdiction? I know that Finland is under the EP, and it seems like it'd be ideal in a number of ways (it's far away from the Middle East turmoil, borders Russia, but is under the EP, and it even has Orthodoxy as one of its two official religions). Council of Helsinki has a nice ring to it.
Isn't the price of a hotel room in Helsinki quite steep compared to Turkey?  Does the Uusi Valaam monastery have the facilities to house that many guests for a Church Council?
 

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Move it to Thessaloniki. The Greek economy could use a boost of all those bishops coming in.  ;)
 

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Justin Kissel said:
I did see the article say that there are 300 million Orthodox and over 200 million of them are under the Russians, but then those two bits of absurdity being out there are more the fault of the religious bodies being discussed.
No matter how many of the Orthodox there are, 2/3 are indeed under the MP.

Minnesotan said:
Isn't Western Europe under the EP's jurisdiction?
Yes and no.
 

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Honestly, shame on all of them. "We have to have it in Istanbul because nostalgia!" "We don't need to actually do anything! Having it would be symbolic!" They need to stop being children and do thier jobs. Grumble grumble...
 

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Why does it matter where it is held?

They do not have to be held in the first church's jurisdiction. If it cannot be held in Turkey, just hold it in Greece. Or hold it in Russia. Or hold it in... anywhere!
 

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Gunnarr said:
Why does it matter where it is held?

They do not have to be held in the first church's jurisdiction. If it cannot be held in Turkey, just hold it in Greece. Or hold it in Russia. Or hold it in... anywhere!
Have it at St. Catherine's Monastery.
 

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Adela said:
Last-minute politics overshadow historic pan-Orthodox council

PARIS — A religious summit last held more than 1,200 years ago suddenly risks being downgraded or postponed because of Syria’s four-year civil war. This unexpected twist has come as the world’s Orthodox churches, the second-largest ecclesial family in Christianity, were supposed to be only months away from their first major council since 787.

Now it is no longer clear when or where the Holy and Great Council of the Orthodox Church, a summit first proposed at least as far back as 1961 and provisionally scheduled for May in Istanbul, will be held.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/last-minute-politics-overshadow-historic-pan-orthodox-council/2015/12/18/e9ef94d0-a5cf-11e5-8318-bd8caed8c588_story.html
Thank you for posting this insightful article. I thought it represented the state of Orthodoxy fairly, except for the obligatory, but highly inaccurate, inclusion of "The Ecumenical Patriarchate, headquarters of the loosely-tied Orthodox family, is based there, as is Orthodoxy’s spiritual leader Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I."
 

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Everyone just mail your rubberstamps to the Phanar and be done with it.
 

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OK, thread is starting to get a bit polemical, so it is locked for now and we can ventilate our spleens in one of the Moderated or Private Fora.
 
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