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augustin717 said:
Tribus miraculis ornatum
diem sanctum colimus:
hodie stella magos duxit ad praesepium,
hodie vinum ex aqua factum est ad nuptias,
hodie in Jordane Christus baptizari voluit,
ut salvaret nos universos.
Haec est dies illa, quam fecit Dominus;
exsultemus et laetemur in ea.
Alleluia.


Sanctum ac bonum festum omnibus exopto.
¡Augustine!¡Quam! pulcherrima poësía quam tu nobis compartitus es!
 

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In nativitate sancti Johananes Baptistae hunc hymnum legemus:

1. Ut queant laxis resonare fibris
Mira gestorum famuli tuorum,
Solve polluti labii reatum,
Sancte Joannes.

2. Nuntius celso veniens Olympo,
Te patri magnum fore nasciturum,
Nomen, et vitae seriem gerendae
Ordine promit.

3. Ille promissi dubius superni,
Perdidit promptae modulos loquelae:
Sed reformasti genitus peremptae
Organa vocis.

4. Ventris obstruso recubans cubili
Senseras Regem thalamo manentem:
Hinc parens nati meritis uterque
Abdita pandit.

5. Sit decus Patri, genitaeque Proli,
Et tibi compar utriusque virtus,
Spiritus semper, Deus unus, omni
Temporis aevo. Amen.

Censeo enim, hunc hymnum, a Urbano papa,  immutatum essse; origo eius autem antiquior, ad Paulum diaconum ascendens.
 

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Προφῆτα καὶ Πρόδρομε, τῆς παρουσίας Χριστοῦ, ἀξίως εὐφημῆσαί σε οὐκ εὐποροῦμεν ἡμεῖς, οἱ πόθῳ τιμῶντές σε· στείρωσις γὰρ τεκούσης, καὶ πατρὸς ἀφωνία, λέλυνται τῇ ἐνδόξῳ, καὶ σεπτῇ σου γεννήσει, καὶ σάρκωσις Υἱοῦ τοῦ Θεοῦ, κόσμῳ κηρύττεται.

Propheta et Precursor  adventus Christi, digne laudare te non possumus nos  amore te venerantes. Quia parentis sterilitas patrisque silentium absolvuntur in gloriosa et honorabile tua nativitate, atque Dei Filii incarnatio mundo annuntiatur.

 

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Sancte Iohannes ille Propheta et Precursor, ora pro nobis deum!
 

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In hoc inclyto festo Ss. Apostolorum Petri et Pauli:

Apostolorum passio
diem sacravit sæculi,
Petri triumphum nobilem,
Pauli coronam pæferens.

Coniunxit æquales viros
cruor triumphalis necis;
Deum secutos præsulem
Christi coronavit fides.

Primus Petrus apostolus;
nec Paulus inpar gratia,
electionis vas sacræ,
Petri adæquavit fidem.

Verso crucis vestigio
Simon, honorem dans Deo,
suspensus ascendit, dati
non inmemor oraculi.

Hinc Roma celsum verticem
devotionis extulit,
fundata tali sanguine
et vate tanto nobilis.

Huc ire quis mundum putet,
concurrere plebem poli:
electa gentium caput,
sedes magistri gentium.

Horum, Redemptor, quæsumus,
ut principum consortio
iungas precantes servulos
in sempterna sæcula.
 

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Antiquior versio eiusdem hymni:


Apostolorum passio
diem sacravit saeculi,
Petri triumphum nobilem,
Pauli coronam paeferens.


coniunxit aequales viros
cruor triumphalis necis,
deum secutos praesulem
Christi coronavit fides.

primus Petrus apostolus
nec Paulus inpar gratia;
electionis vas sacrae,
Petri adaequavit fidem.

verso crucis vestigio
Simon honorem dans deo
suspensus ascendit, dati
non inmemor oraculi.

praecinctus, ut dictum est, senex
et elevatus ab altero
quo nollet ivit, sed volens
mortem subegit asperam.

hinc Roma celsum verticem
devotionis extulit,
fundata tali sanguine
et vate tanto nobilis.

tantae per urbis ambitum
stipata tendunt agmina,
trinis clebratur viis
festum sacrorum martyrum.

prodire quis mundum putet,
concurrere plebem poli:
electa gentium caput,
sedes magistri gentium.

 

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O Roma nobilis, orbis et domina,
Cunctarum urbium excellentissima,
Roseo martyrum sanguine rubea,
Albis et virginum liliis candida,
Salutem dicimus tibi per omnia
Te benedicimus: salve per saecula

Petre tu praepotens caelorum claviger,
vota precantium exaudi iugiter
cum bis sex tribuum sederis arbiter
factus placabilis judica leniter
teque petentibus nunc temporaliter
ferto suffragia misericorditer.

O Paule suscipe nostra precamina
Cujus philosophos vicit industria
Factus oeconomus in domo regia
Divini muneris appone fercula
Ut quae repleverit te sapientia
Ipsa nos repleat tua per dogmata.

 

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Nativitas tua, Dei Genitrix Virgo, gaudium annuntiavit universo mundo ex te enim ortus est Sol justitiae, Christus Deus noster qui solvens maledictionem dedit benedictionem et confundens mortem donavit nobis vitam sempiternam.
Ant. ad "Magnificat" in festo Nativitatis BV Mariae
 

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In sequentia, hoc carmen consumite sicut beatus Ambrosius beatusque Augustinus!

Te Deum laudamus
 

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I am translating the Odes of Horace (into Dutch, not into English, btw) but I need some help:

quae nunc oppositis debilitat pumicibus mare
Tyrrhenum:
sapias, vina liques et spatio brevi
spem longam reseces. dum loquimur, fugerit invida
aetas: carpe diem quam minimum credula postero.

Quae refers to the ultimam [hiemes], I think. So it would be: "Which now weakens upon opposing pumice rocks [...]" Where does Mare Tyrrhenum fit in. Does it mean "Which now weakens upon opposing pumice rocks of the Tyrrhenian Sea "?

 

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Horace is depressing, especially the second stanza  :-\

Ode I.5:

Quis multa gracilis te puer in rosa
perfusus liquidis urget odoribus
grato, Pyrrha, sub antro?
Cui flavam religas comam

simplex munditiis? Heu quotiens fidem
mutatosque deos flebit et aspera
nigris aequora ventis
emirabitur insolens,

qui nunc te fruitur credulus aurea,
qui semper vacuam, semper amabilem
sperat nescius aurae
fallacis. Miseri, quibus

intemptata nites. Me tabula sacer
votiva paries indicat uvida
suspendisse potenti
vestimenta maris deo.    
 

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Cyrillic said:
I am translating the Odes of Horace (into Dutch, not into English, btw) but I need some help:

quae nunc oppositis debilitat pumicibus mare
Tyrrhenum:
sapias, vina liques et spatio brevi
spem longam reseces. dum loquimur, fugerit invida
aetas: carpe diem quam minimum credula postero.

Quae refers to the ultimam [hiemes], I think. So it would be: "Which now weakens upon opposing pumice rocks [...]" Where does Mare Tyrrhenum fit in. Does it mean "Which now weakens upon opposing pumice rocks of the Tyrrhenian Sea "?
Isn't "mare tyrrhenum" the subject (have no time to look for the preceeding lines): "Those that now, on opposing pumice cliffs, the Tyrrhenian sea weakens."
 

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The whole ode is:

Tu ne quaesieris - scire nefas - quem mihi, quem tibi
finem di dederint, Leuconoë, nec Babylonios
temptaris numeros. Ut melius, quicquid erit, pati!
seu plures hiemes, seu tribuit Iuppiter ultimam,

quae nunc oppositis debilitat pumicibus mare
Tyrhenum. Sapias, vina liques, et spatio brevi
spem longam reseces. Dum loquimur, fugerit invida
aetas: carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero.


From Ut melius I had:

"It's better to, whatever it may be, to suffer it! Whether Jupiter gives many winters or the last [ultimam], which [quae] now weakens on the opposing rocks of the Tyrrhenian Sea, etc"
 

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Just give debilitat a freer translation and it's gonna make sense. Mare Tyrrhenian is the direct object so you ave "the winter that's now tossing the Tyrrenian sea between pumice cliffs"
 

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augustin717 said:
Just give debilitat a freer translation and it's gonna make sense. Mare Tyrrhenian is the direct object so you ave "the winter that's now tossing the Tyrrenian sea between pumice cliffs"
This makes sense indeed. Thanks!

I changed it to "which now weakens the Tyrrhenian sea on opposing rocks". Not making it too free but not making it overly literal either.
 

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Is Latin taught in most Dutch high-schools? and how many years?
 

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Is Latin taught in most Dutch high-schools? and how many years?
We have segregated levels in high school. Only the highest level of high school has Latin and Greek. <5% of high school students do that level and only a few remain in the final classes. Around 15 students in the last three classes combined follow Greek courses in my school with 1500 students. Not that many schools offer the level which has Greek and Latin.

Latin is taught for 6 years, Greek for 5 years (not done the first year). I'm in my 6th year.
 

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When i was in school, in Romania, we started Latin in the 8th grade and went on throughout the 12th. Greek was only taught in few high-schools. But Latin was mandatory for everyone, although, of course, only a small number actually learned it.
 

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augustin717 said:
When i was in school, in Romania, we started Latin in the 8th grade and went on throughout the 12th. Greek was only taught in few high-schools. But Latin was mandatory for everyone, although, of course, only a small number actually learned it.
I pity the Romanian children being forced to learn Latin. Only a few really like it, all of my friends couldn't stand it. Did you learn Greek as well?

 

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Cyrillic said:
augustin717 said:
When i was in school, in Romania, we started Latin in the 8th grade and went on throughout the 12th. Greek was only taught in few high-schools. But Latin was mandatory for everyone, although, of course, only a small number actually learned it.
I pity the Romanian children being forced to learn Latin. Only a few really like it, all of my friends couldn't stand it. Did you learn Greek as well?
Yes, but in college.
 

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I had Latin classes from 7th grade to 9th grade. A shame I was too young, Latin classes now would be very interesting.  ;)

I barely remember Rosa.  Rosa -rosa - rosam -rosae - rosae- rosa  ;D
 

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The latest addition to my book collection. A diglot of Horace (Latin-Dutch):

 

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I know next to nothing about Latin but you might be interested in Nuntii Latini. It's a Latin news service provided by Finnish public broadcasting company.
 

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Cyrillic said:
augustin717 said:
When i was in school, in Romania, we started Latin in the 8th grade and went on throughout the 12th. Greek was only taught in few high-schools. But Latin was mandatory for everyone, although, of course, only a small number actually learned it.
I pity the Romanian children being forced to learn Latin.
Why?  They love it: it affirms that they are not Slavs.

It's also not that different, sort of like Italian (except Romanian still has declension).
 

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augustin717 said:
O Roma nobilis, orbis et domina,
Cunctarum urbium excellentissima,
Roseo martyrum sanguine rubea,
Albis et virginum liliis candida,
Salutem dicimus tibi per omnia
Te benedicimus: salve per saecula

Petre tu praepotens caelorum claviger,
vota precantium exaudi iugiter
cum bis sex tribuum sederis arbiter
factus placabilis judica leniter
teque petentibus nunc temporaliter
ferto suffragia misericorditer.

O Paule suscipe nostra precamina
Cujus philosophos vicit industria
Factus oeconomus in domo regia
Divini muneris appone fercula
Ut quae repleverit te sapientia
Ipsa nos repleat tua per dogmata.
Scribis "Cujus" in Romania/Dacia?
 

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"Cujus" in tempora post casum Imperii Romani Occidentalis et ante Renatum (in saeculis XIV-XVI) ab omnibus usus est.
 

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augustin717 said:
Jejunuium Nativitatis mane oritur et huius anni cursus ad finem  accedit.
Tam rapidum tempus, ut cum Horatio velim clamare:

"Eheu fugaces, Postume, Postume,
 labuntur anni nec pietas moram
rugis et instanti senectae
 adferet indomitaeque morti;"
'Nec pietas moram rugis et instanti senectae adferet indormitaeque morti'?  "Quae enim commuicatio luci ad tenebras? Qui consensus Christo et Belial?  Quid facit cum Psalterio Horatius?" (Sanctus Hieronymus: Epistula 22:29)

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Horatium Flaccum, vatem optimum maximumque, multo diligo.
AMEN!
 

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Gaudete, auctor incognitus

Gaudete, gaudete! Christus est natus
Ex Maria virgine, gaudete!

Tempus adest gratiae
Hoc quod optabamus,
Carmina laetitiae
Devote reddamus.

Gaudete, gaudete! Christus est natus
Ex Maria virgine, gaudete!

Deus homo factus est
Natura mirante,
Mundus renovatus est
A Christo regnante.

Gaudete, gaudete! Christus est natus
Ex Maria virgine, gaudete!

Ezechielis porta
Clausa pertransitur,
Unde lux est orta
Salus invenitur.

Gaudete, gaudete! Christus est natus
Ex Maria virgine, gaudete!

Ergo nostra concio
Psallat iam in lustro;
Benedicat Domino:
Salus Regi nostro.

Gaudete, gaudete! Christus est natus
Ex Maria virgine, gaudete!

Crucem sanctam subiit, Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina

Crucem sanctam subiit,
qui infernum confregit,
accintus est potentia,
surrexit die tertia.
Alleluia.

Lapidem quem reprobaverunt aedificantes,
hic factus est in caput anguli
Alleluia.



Etiam scriberem textum Diei Irae, sed nimis longus est.  :p
 

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I was wondering if someone can help me translate this:

"Sed nostrum sermonem vestra audientia vincit, et me vinci confessus ad taciturnitatem confugio, optans semper ... "

It's from the 10th Sermon of Nestorius in Loofs, p. 275

(I have a translation with some missing parts to help, and I will designate the "blank" that needs filling in:

"But your hearing co____________  word, and having confessed myself conquered, I take refuge in silence, ever wishing ..." and then it continues "to be separated from this desire for your hearing."

I'm guessing the blank is "conquered our word," but I'd like confirmation)
 
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