Well, I thought it was based on the words of the Archangel Gabriel.prodromas said:I read somewhere on a forum that the prayers used with the rosary beads about Mary literally came from the Theotokos herself can someone confirm this.
"Again drawing from the Holy Fathers, Fr. Seraphim [Rose] counseled his spiritual children not to trust in or get carried away by their imagination, especially in prayer. Fr. Alexey Young recalls how, when he was still a Roman Catholic preparing to become Orthodox, he was given an important lesson by Fr. Seraphim: “I asked Fr. Seraphim about meditation, which my wife and I, still under the influence of our Roman Catholic background, had made part of our regular routine of morning prayer. We did not yet realize that the Orthodox understanding of meditation is quite different from the Western Christian view. In conversation, Fr. Seraphim explained that the use of imagination in Western spiritual systems of meditation—viz., while saying the Rosary, reciting the Stations of the Cross, or doing the Spiritual Exercises of Ignatius of Loyola, etc.—was not compatible with Orthodox spirituality and was forbidden because imagination came into use only after the fall of Adam and Eve; it is one of the lowest functions of the soul and the favorite playground of the devil, who can and does use human imagination in order to deceive and mislead even well-meaning people.” http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/fsr_84.aspxDeacon Lance said:And the oft cited "one is required to use their imagination with the Mysteries" is a bunch of bull. One is instructed to meditate on the Mysteries much as one is instucted to meditate with Icons. Never has the teaching of the Church on this prayer been to "fantasize" about being at the Nativity, Crucifixion, etc. That is not to say some ignorant people have taught this, but their bad example should not invalidate the form.
You were, and a better rebuttal would have been a quotation from some official RC source. Until that source, if it exists, is brought forward I see no reason why you should not be given the benefit of any doubt.Deacon Lance said:I thought I was very clear in my post that some do teach wrong methods of meditation.
I don't think that the Roman Catholic Church comes even close to the Orthodox Church's devotion to Mary. Check out how many days of the year are dedicated to the commemoration of one of her many wonder-working icons. How about the Akathist and Paraklis? And, how many of our litanies (Great, Little, Litany of Supplication, etc.) end with the petition " Commemorating our most holy, most pure, most blessed and glorious Lady Theotokos and ever virgin Mary..."? Our morning, evening, and post-Communion prayers all have at least one prayer to Mary.prodromas said:I was just wondering not to sound a bit protestant but do you think there is to much emphasis on mary in Catholic view of prayer life?
A Chotki (Russian) or Komboskini (Greek) is a set of either knots or beads (or both) on a circular cord used in the Eastern Orthodox Churches for the recitation of the Jesus Prayer ("Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, the sinner.")Didymus said:Sorry but what is a Chotki?
Each of the hours in the Byzantine Horologion (Agpia) also contain a set of 40 (one less) Kyrie Eleisons, but are not related to the practice of the Jesus Prayer.EkhristosAnesti said:In contrast to the EO, however, the primary use of the prayer rope is to recite the standard 41 Kyrie Eleisons (a significantly shortened "version", you could say, of the Jesus Prayer--which nevertheless remains part of Coptic worship, though no less powerful, as various traditions within our Church demonstrate)