Modern day Crusades..?

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Charles Martel said:
If you think Muslims are so great then go live with them Jew, this  has nothing to do with the thread.

This is about Eastern Christians and their fate in the East

Go derail another thread about your precious "muslims". ::)
Cool it with the LARP, now.
 

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jewish voice said:
Charles Martel said:
jewish voice said:
Charles Martel said:
Gary said:
jewish voice said:
Nephi said:
Charles Martel said:
Even worse than the rogue Crusaders sacking the Byzantium during the Crusades was the West allowing Constantinople to fall in 1453 against the Ottoman Turks , a tragedy that Christendom and Europe has never recovered from.
Agreed.
Ottoman Empire was the best thing that could of ever happened in history. I would suggest that you do some reading on the history and things that came about from the Ottomans that you enjoy today. It's not known as the" Golden age " for nothing
The Turks destroying conquering Byzantium was the best thing that could happen? Tell that to the Greeks, Serbs, Romanians, and so on. Many of the geopolitical problems that we have today are a result of this conquest. I suspect Jewish Voice is either greatly misinformed or a prankster.
Consider the source.
Yep while the Byzantine empire was trying to kill off my people and spread their hate filled lies the Ottomans came in cleaned house and made us members of the empire and helped build schuls, schools and made us leaders of towns and in world war 2 saved lots of Jews from the nasty catholic Hitler and Pope. Ottoman empire was one of the best empires in the world  ;D
If you think Muslims are so great then go live with them Jew, this  has nothing to do with the thread.

This is about Eastern Christians and their fate in the East

Go derail another thread about your precious "muslims". ::)
As for you all I can say is your lucky we don't know each other out side of this forum ........ you really should be thanking G-d for that  ;)
LoL! Yea, OK, whatever.... ::) But you're probably right about that, I really am glad I don't know you out there in the real world, then I'd have to hear you eulogizing "moo-slims" in person. I thank the Lord Jesus Christ for that.

BTW, who's "G-d" ? Are you referring to the first person in the Trinity or does it pain you to say his name?

And really, this distortion over "Hitler's Pope" has been played out already, it's nothing but anti-Catholic propaganda, Pius XII was of the greatest of Popes, the man should be canonized some day regardless of heretical attacks on his good name.

But again, you can go start another thread on your hatred of 20th century Roman pontiffs.

Try to stay on topic here, which is Christians in the East and the  danger they're in.

 

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NicholasMyra said:
Charles Martel said:
If you think Muslims are so great then go live with them Jew, this  has nothing to do with the thread.

This is about Eastern Christians and their fate in the East

Go derail another thread about your precious "muslims". ::)
Cool it with the LARP, now.
Sorry, not familiar with that acronym.
 

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Bartholomew I: Peace in Syria and throughout the world

The Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople is concerned about the situation in the country and the fate of the Syrian Christian community. Pain for the rest of the Middle East, Nigeria and Sudan. Need to combat religious fundamentalism manipulated for political purposes. “A crime committed in the name of religion is a crime against religion.”

http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2012/08/bartholomew-i-peace-in-syria-and-throughout-the-world/
 

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jewish voice said:
Kerdy said:
jewish voice said:
Charles Martel said:
Gary said:
jewish voice said:
Nephi said:
Charles Martel said:
Even worse than the rogue Crusaders sacking the Byzantium during the Crusades was the West allowing Constantinople to fall in 1453 against the Ottoman Turks , a tragedy that Christendom and Europe has never recovered from.
Agreed.
Ottoman Empire was the best thing that could of ever happened in history. I would suggest that you do some reading on the history and things that came about from the Ottomans that you enjoy today. It's not known as the" Golden age " for nothing
The Turks destroying conquering Byzantium was the best thing that could happen? Tell that to the Greeks, Serbs, Romanians, and so on. Many of the geopolitical problems that we have today are a result of this conquest. I suspect Jewish Voice is either greatly misinformed or a prankster.
Consider the source.
Yep while the Byzantine empire was trying to kill off my people and spread their hate filled lies the Ottomans came in cleaned house and made us members of the empire and helped build schuls, schools and made us leaders of towns and in world war 2 saved lots of Jews from the nasty catholic Hitler and Pope. Ottoman empire was one of the best empires in the world  ;D
Just based off your WW2 comment, I think your version of history is skewed.
The Reichskonkordat was a treaty between the Holy See and Nazi Germany, that guaranteed the rights of the Catholic Church in Germany. It was signed on 20 July 1933 by Secretary of State Eugenio Pacelli (who later became Pope Pius XII) and Vice Chancellor Franz von Papen on behalf of Pope Pius XI and President Paul von Hindenburg respectively. The Reichskonkordat is the most controversial of several concordats agreed between various states and the Vatican during the reign of Pope Pius XI and is frequently discussed in works that deal with the rise of Hitler in the early 1930s and the Holocaust. The concordat has been described as giving moral legitimacy to the Nazi regime soon after Hitler had acquired dictatorial powers, and placing constraints on Catholic critics of the regime, leading to a muted response by the Church to Nazi policies. From a Roman Catholic church perspective it has been argued that the concordat prevented even greater evils being unleashed against the Church. Though the German bishops were unenthusiastic, and the Allies felt it was inappropriate, Pope Pius XII argued to keep the concordat at the end of World War II and the treaty is still in force today
They still keep the kill Jew's on the old books I think you might want to go back and reread your history again

hitler said to the bishop Berning in Rome “I have been attacked because of my handling of the Jewish question. The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc., because it recognized the Jews for what they were. In the epoch of liberalism the danger was no longer recognized. I am moving back toward the time in which a fifteen-hundred-year-long tradition was implemented. I do not set race over religion, but I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the Church, and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.” Berning give him a blessing
Like I said, skewed.
 

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jewish voice said:
Charles Martel said:
jewish voice said:
Charles Martel said:
Gary said:
jewish voice said:
Nephi said:
Charles Martel said:
Even worse than the rogue Crusaders sacking the Byzantium during the Crusades was the West allowing Constantinople to fall in 1453 against the Ottoman Turks , a tragedy that Christendom and Europe has never recovered from.
Agreed.
Ottoman Empire was the best thing that could of ever happened in history. I would suggest that you do some reading on the history and things that came about from the Ottomans that you enjoy today. It's not known as the" Golden age " for nothing
The Turks destroying conquering Byzantium was the best thing that could happen? Tell that to the Greeks, Serbs, Romanians, and so on. Many of the geopolitical problems that we have today are a result of this conquest. I suspect Jewish Voice is either greatly misinformed or a prankster.
Consider the source.
Yep while the Byzantine empire was trying to kill off my people and spread their hate filled lies the Ottomans came in cleaned house and made us members of the empire and helped build schuls, schools and made us leaders of towns and in world war 2 saved lots of Jews from the nasty catholic Hitler and Pope. Ottoman empire was one of the best empires in the world  ;D
If you think Muslims are so great then go live with them Jew, this  has nothing to do with the thread.

This is about Eastern Christians and their fate in the East

Go derail another thread about your precious "muslims". ::)
As for you all I can say is your lucky we don't know each other out side of this forum ........ you really should be thanking G-d for that  ;)
And what exactly does this statement mean?  I believe I know, but I don't want to jump to conclusions.
 

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Charles Martel said:
NicholasMyra said:
Charles Martel said:
If you think Muslims are so great then go live with them Jew, this  has nothing to do with the thread.

This is about Eastern Christians and their fate in the East

Go derail another thread about your precious "muslims". ::)
Cool it with the LARP, now.
Sorry, not familiar with that acronym.
I am unfamiliar as well, but I think it may have something to do with your agitated verbage in relation to Jews and Muslims.
 
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No one is clean. Israel has to compromise on principle too:  http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/06/israeli-parliament-debates-armenian-genocide-amid-continued-tension-with-turkey.html
 

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Priest warns of security risk in pope trip to Lebanon

The pope's safety could be at risk during a planned visit to Lebanon next month, a Jesuit priest who was recently forced to leave Syria warned.
Pope Benedict XVI is due to visit Lebanon from September 14-16 to bring a message of peace and call for greater respect for religious pluralism.
Even though his special protective car -- the "popemobile" -- has been sent to Beirut, questions are swirling about the safety of a trip to a country linked to the raging conflict in Syria.

http://news.yahoo.com/priest-warns-security-risk-pope-trip-lebanon-155403967.html
 

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Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

There is a crucial difference between the situation in the original Crusades and today.  Today, a lot of the Christians experiencing this violence in Nigeria, Iraq, or Syria are indeed Latin Catholics.  So it is not necessarily about the Latin Church and the Orthodox Church working together on this one, violence against Christians around the world is as tangibly and painfully a Catholic issue as it is an Orthodox one.  In fact, in the media lately about Syria there is surprising quiet about the Syriac Orthodox Church however the Catholics there are interviewed and articled frequently.  It has me curious why the Orthodox Church isn't being mentioned considering our significant presence in Syria :(

It seems to me that the Latin Church today, in particular with her experience in 20th century Latin America, has evolved a policy of social justice which is inherently in contradiction with the premise of a Crusade.  This doesn't mean that the secular authorities have no business intervening in Arab and Muslim regions, as is what indeed happened in original Crusades and further that the Catholic Church wouldn't lend their support, however I doubt it would be in the same line of thinking as the Crusades.

stay blessed,
habte selassie
 

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HabteSelassie said:
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

There is a crucial difference between the situation in the original Crusades and today.  Today, a lot of the Christians experiencing this violence in Nigeria, Iraq, or Syria are indeed Latin Catholics.  So it is not necessarily about the Latin Church and the Orthodox Church working together on this one, violence against Christians around the world is as tangibly and painfully a Catholic issue as it is an Orthodox one.  In fact, in the media lately about Syria there is surprising quiet about the Syriac Orthodox Church however the Catholics there are interviewed and articled frequently.  It has me curious why the Orthodox Church isn't being mentioned considering our significant presence in Syria :(

It seems to me that the Latin Church today, in particular with her experience in 20th century Latin America, has evolved a policy of social justice which is inherently in contradiction with the premise of a Crusade.  This doesn't mean that the secular authorities have no business intervening in Arab and Muslim regions, as is what indeed happened in original Crusades and further that the Catholic Church wouldn't lend their support, however I doubt it would be in the same line of thinking as the Crusades.

stay blessed,
habte selassie
With the advent of the so-called "Arab Spring", the  Muslim Brotherhood gaining momentum and Islam encroaching on historically Orthodox lands, you don't see the possibility of a similar scenario just prior to the First Crusade?

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but there must be some solidarity between Catholics, East and West as well as more vocal opposition to the situation in the East.
 

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Charles Martel said:
NicholasMyra said:
Charles Martel said:
If you think Muslims are so great then go live with them Jew, this  has nothing to do with the thread.

This is about Eastern Christians and their fate in the East

Go derail another thread about your precious "muslims". ::)
Cool it with the LARP, now.
Sorry, not familiar with that acronym.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=larp
 

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Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!


Charles Martel said:
With the advent of the so-called "Arab Spring", the  Muslim Brotherhood gaining momentum and Islam encroaching on historically Orthodox lands, you don't see the possibility of a similar scenario just prior to the First Crusade?

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but there must be some solidarity between Catholics, East and West as well as more vocal opposition to the situation in the East.
No, the world is entirely reversed from then. During the time of the first Crusades western Europe was completely underdeveloped, Eastern Europe was inching towards decline, and the Arabs and Turks were on the rise culturally, economically, politically, and technologically.  In our contemporary time, the Western world is ages beyond the developing Arab/Turk/Muslim world, Eastern Europe is experiencing almost a revival of sorts (pre-Recession that is to say) and it is literally unfeasible for the Muslims/Arabs to somehow challenge the hegemony and dominance of western money and technology.  If they were to try it, it would be sudden demise. In all actuality, the Arabs would probably LOVE to be able to launch a war, we have a lot of mutual political and economic gripe which provokes hostilities at every strata of our societies. In all truth, the Western world is probably only humoring the Arabs because of financial opportunities, as I am quite sure that if it was in Western economic interests, they'd wipe the Arabs of the map without blinking  :-X

stay blessed,
habte selassie
 

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NicholasMyra said:
Charles Martel said:
NicholasMyra said:
Charles Martel said:
If you think Muslims are so great then go live with them Jew, this  has nothing to do with the thread.

This is about Eastern Christians and their fate in the East

Go derail another thread about your precious "muslims". ::)
Cool it with the LARP, now.
Sorry, not familiar with that acronym.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=larp
I wouldn't put too much stock on anything a crude site like "Urbandictionary" has to say about anything.

Having said that, that acronym doesn't apply here.

I don't engage in ridiculous fantasy's only the reality of what's going on today in the Levant.
 

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HabteSelassie said:
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!


Charles Martel said:
With the advent of the so-called "Arab Spring", the  Muslim Brotherhood gaining momentum and Islam encroaching on historically Orthodox lands, you don't see the possibility of a similar scenario just prior to the First Crusade?

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but there must be some solidarity between Catholics, East and West as well as more vocal opposition to the situation in the East.

No, the world is entirely reversed from then. During the time of the first Crusades western Europe was completely underdeveloped
, Eastern Europe was inching towards decline, and the Arabs and Turks were on the rise culturally, economically, politically, and technologically.  In our contemporary time, the Western world is ages beyond the developing Arab/Turk/Muslim world, Eastern Europe is experiencing almost a revival of sorts (pre-Recession that is to say) and it is literally unfeasible for the Muslims/Arabs to somehow challenge the hegemony and dominance of western money and technology.  If they were to try it, it would be sudden demise. In all actuality, the Arabs would probably LOVE to be able to launch a war, we have a lot of mutual political and economic gripe which provokes hostilities at every strata of our societies. In all truth, the Western world is probably only humoring the Arabs because of financial opportunities, as I am quite sure that if it was in Western economic interests, they'd wipe the Arabs of the map without blinking  :-X

stay blessed,
habte selassie
  Well for a ragtag group of mercenaries from a collage  of "underdeveloped" nations, they sure did a number on the superior Islamic force surrounding the Holy Land. But I will admit that Western Europe was suffering economically and the allure of riches in the East was too much for many of the secular minded Crusaders. Actually, we seem to have the same situation today even with France becoming aggressive and being at the forefront of dabbling in these M.E. "revolutions", the problem is, Christianity it seems has nothing to gain and everything  to lose in these interventions. The big player here of course here is Putin and Russia's support of the Syrian regime, a strange alliance between the Orthodox Russians and Shiite Muslims against the agitators from the West, but if Assad falls it will not be good for the Orthodox Christians there and any influence from the Moscow Patriarchate.
 

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Charles Martel said:
I wouldn't put too much stock on anything a crude site like "Urbandictionary" has to say about anything.

Having said that, that acronym doesn't apply here.

I don't engage in ridiculous fantasy's only the reality of what's going on today in the Levant.
People who are what's called "hyperdox" are often described as "LARPing" on here. In other words, they're roleplaying something they're not (e.g. converts who become full-blown Russophiles touting "Holy Russia" and what-not).
 

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Charles Martel said:
I don't engage in ridiculous fantasy's
Your alias is Charles Martel.

Perhaps I should rename myself "Santiago the Moor-Slayer" and we can both deal +90 confusion to the only Moroccan who shows up to our LARP.
 

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Charles Martel said:
HabteSelassie said:
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!


Charles Martel said:
With the advent of the so-called "Arab Spring", the  Muslim Brotherhood gaining momentum and Islam encroaching on historically Orthodox lands, you don't see the possibility of a similar scenario just prior to the First Crusade?

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but there must be some solidarity between Catholics, East and West as well as more vocal opposition to the situation in the East.

No, the world is entirely reversed from then. During the time of the first Crusades western Europe was completely underdeveloped
, Eastern Europe was inching towards decline, and the Arabs and Turks were on the rise culturally, economically, politically, and technologically.  In our contemporary time, the Western world is ages beyond the developing Arab/Turk/Muslim world, Eastern Europe is experiencing almost a revival of sorts (pre-Recession that is to say) and it is literally unfeasible for the Muslims/Arabs to somehow challenge the hegemony and dominance of western money and technology.  If they were to try it, it would be sudden demise. In all actuality, the Arabs would probably LOVE to be able to launch a war, we have a lot of mutual political and economic gripe which provokes hostilities at every strata of our societies. In all truth, the Western world is probably only humoring the Arabs because of financial opportunities, as I am quite sure that if it was in Western economic interests, they'd wipe the Arabs of the map without blinking  :-X

stay blessed,
habte selassie
  Well for a ragtag group of mercenaries from a collage  of "underdeveloped" nations, they sure did a number on the superior Islamic force surrounding the Holy Land
who were in the midst of a civil war.  Several, as a matter of fact.
 

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jewish voice said:
Charles Martel said:
Gary said:
jewish voice said:
Nephi said:
Charles Martel said:
Even worse than the rogue Crusaders sacking the Byzantium during the Crusades was the West allowing Constantinople to fall in 1453 against the Ottoman Turks , a tragedy that Christendom and Europe has never recovered from.
Agreed.
Ottoman Empire was the best thing that could of ever happened in history. I would suggest that you do some reading on the history and things that came about from the Ottomans that you enjoy today. It's not known as the" Golden age " for nothing
The Turks destroying conquering Byzantium was the best thing that could happen? Tell that to the Greeks, Serbs, Romanians, and so on. Many of the geopolitical problems that we have today are a result of this conquest. I suspect Jewish Voice is either greatly misinformed or a prankster.
Consider the source.
Yep while the Byzantine empire was trying to kill off my people and spread their hate filled lies the Ottomans came in cleaned house and made us members of the empire and helped build schuls, schools and made us leaders of towns and in world war 2 saved lots of Jews from the nasty catholic Hitler and Pope. Ottoman empire was one of the best empires in the world  ;D
Uh, Hitler fought on the same side as the Ottoman Empire, and it fell before he came to power.
 
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