Modern day Crusades..?

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Pan Michał said:
Cyrillic said:
Yes, the Ilkhanate.
I've thought about it, but they were no more Mongols, than French Celts... Plus, the Ilkhanate lands in the Asia Minor were vassalized local societies, not actual Mongols, IIRC.
The Celts originated from central Europe......

And the Mongol Empire did stretch all the way to Asia minor.

This is basic history.
 

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Charles Martel said:
Pan Michał said:
Cyrillic said:
Yes, the Ilkhanate.
I've thought about it, but they were no more Mongols, than French Celts... Plus, the Ilkhanate lands in the Asia Minor were vassalized local societies, not actual Mongols, IIRC.
The Celts originated from central Europe......

And the Mongol Empire did stretch all the way to Asia minor.

This is basic history.
The Greek Empire stretched all the way to India under Alexander. Does that make Indians crypto-Greeks?
 

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Cyrillic said:
Charles Martel said:
Pan Michał said:
Cyrillic said:
Yes, the Ilkhanate.
I've thought about it, but they were no more Mongols, than French Celts... Plus, the Ilkhanate lands in the Asia Minor were vassalized local societies, not actual Mongols, IIRC.
The Celts originated from central Europe......

And the Mongol Empire did stretch all the way to Asia minor.

This is basic history.
The Greek Empire stretched all the way to India under Alexander. Does that make Indians crypto-Greeks?
I believe you're referring to the Macedonians and they barely penetrated the Indian subcontinent.

But the ruling  Greek class did indeed reign in Egypt for many years after Alexander until Cleopatra herself a Greek descendant.
 

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Crusades will not work.  I decline to post what will.
 

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Charles Martel said:
And the Mongol Empire did stretch all the way to Asia minor.

This is basic history.
That does not mean the Ottoman Turks were Mongols. Stop saying silly things.

The Russian aristocracy had more Mongol blood than the Turks.
 

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Charles Martel said:
The Celts originated from central Europe......

And the Mongol Empire did stretch all the way to Asia minor.

This is basic history.
I know, and seeing that you know it too I guess you should figure out the answer to correlations between Ilkhanate and Mongols without any problem.
 

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Charles Martel said:
Cyrillic said:
Charles Martel said:
Pan Michał said:
Cyrillic said:
Yes, the Ilkhanate.
I've thought about it, but they were no more Mongols, than French Celts... Plus, the Ilkhanate lands in the Asia Minor were vassalized local societies, not actual Mongols, IIRC.
The Celts originated from central Europe......

And the Mongol Empire did stretch all the way to Asia minor.

This is basic history.
The Greek Empire stretched all the way to India under Alexander. Does that make Indians crypto-Greeks?
I believe you're referring to the Macedonians and they barely penetrated the Indian subcontinent.

But the ruling  Greek class did indeed reign in Egypt for many years after Alexander until Cleopatra herself a Greek descendant.
Yet modern day Egyptians aren't Greeks, while you said that the Ottomans were Mongols.

And yes, Alexander didn't come far in India, but neither was the whole of Anatolia subjugated by the Mongols.
 

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Syria: Christians take up arms for first time

Christian communities in Aleppo have taken up arms and formed their own militias for the first time, the Daily Telegraph can disclose.


The Christian community has tried to avoid taking sides in the civil war. In Aleppo, it recruited vigilantes from the Boy Scout movement to protect churches, but as the war moved into the city and spread across its suburbs they have begun to accept weapons from the Syrian army and joined forces with Armenian groups to repel opposition guerrillas.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9539244/Syria-Christians-take-up-arms-for-first-time.html


 

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Syria: Last Christian in Homs Killed

ANSAmed) - Vatican City, 31 October - The last Christian who was in the centre of Homs was killed, after the civilian population was evacuated due to widespread fighting.

According to the Vatican's Fides news agency, 84-year-old Elias Mansour, a Greek-Orthodox Christian did not want to leave his home on Wadi Sayeh street - even though he knew his life was in danger - because he had to take care of his handicapped son, Adnane.




http://www.ansamed.info/ansamed/en/news/nations/syria/2012/10/31/Syria-Last-Christian-Homs-Killed_7721608.html
 

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Charles Martel said:
Syria: Last Christian in Homs Killed

ANSAmed) - Vatican City, 31 October - The last Christian who was in the centre of Homs was killed, after the civilian population was evacuated due to widespread fighting.

According to the Vatican's Fides news agency, 84-year-old Elias Mansour, a Greek-Orthodox Christian did not want to leave his home on Wadi Sayeh street - even though he knew his life was in danger - because he had to take care of his handicapped son, Adnane.



http://www.ansamed.info/ansamed/en/news/nations/syria/2012/10/31/Syria-Last-Christian-Homs-Killed_7721608.html


Lord have mercy !
 

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WeldeMikael said:
Charles Martel said:
Syria: Last Christian in Homs Killed

ANSAmed) - Vatican City, 31 October - The last Christian who was in the centre of Homs was killed, after the civilian population was evacuated due to widespread fighting.

According to the Vatican's Fides news agency, 84-year-old Elias Mansour, a Greek-Orthodox Christian did not want to leave his home on Wadi Sayeh street - even though he knew his life was in danger - because he had to take care of his handicapped son, Adnane.



http://www.ansamed.info/ansamed/en/news/nations/syria/2012/10/31/Syria-Last-Christian-Homs-Killed_7721608.html


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Lord take notice! Memory Eternal!
 

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Mansour is a very common last name, though, not at all confined to Syrians. One of our priests, an Egyptian through and through, has this last name.
 

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Green_Umbrella said:
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Seems in your view, the Latin Crusaders did such a good job usurping Christianity in the East it never recovered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Crusade
As a Latin Catholic in the West, I am not proud of that part of our history but like the article points out, the Byzantines had a share in their fate through their own treachery, especially amongst the ruling class, they also seem to cozy up and use the Muslims as allies when it's convenient for them.
Shouldn't have pillaged Greek territory in the first and second crusade then. Wasn't John the Oxite, Patriarch of Antioch kicked out of town by your heroic crusaders?
I think the Crusaders were heroic. Absolutely. Did they commit atrocities by modern standards, sure, no doubt. So did everyone else practicing warfare at that time. The Crusaders did no more and no less than what everyone else did.  Imagine a world with no Crusaders. Islam quickly finishes off what is left of the Eastern Empire. With no unifying call for Crusade to unite the nobles of the west to defend Christianity Islam keeps pushing. Steam rolls right over all of Europe. If no one is strong enough to stop them they do not stop. Why should they? Once they have conquered all of the Christian lands they consolidate their gains by destroying 99.99% of Christianity and this forum does not exist.
That's just pathetic fantasy. If anything the crusades hasted the demise of the Eastern Empire. ening
Not a fantasy at all. The Eastern Empire was in total collapse.

looks pretty big and stable for being "in total collapse."
 
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