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Catholic Halloween Mass, with the Devil giving Communion:
Ouch! I have seen the clown Mass before, but the halloween Mass with the devil giving communion is horrifying! It sickens me to the core!
Why does it concern you? We Catholic are just graceless heretics with fake sacraments right?
 

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Papist said:
Mickey said:
Irish Hermit said:
Catholic Halloween Mass, with the Devil giving Communion:
Ouch! I have seen the clown Mass before, but the halloween Mass with the devil giving communion is horrifying! It sickens me to the core!
Why does it concern you? We Catholic are just graceless heretics with fake sacraments right?
To adopt Alfonso's line in reverse - we have to groom you and get you ready for your return to the Church.  :)
 

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Nah, most of us who want to live our Catholic faith dispensed with the hippie nonsense.
I wouldn't be so sure. The Byzantine Catholics just revised the Liturgy using gender neutral language.  :eek:
 

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Irish Hermit said:
Papist said:
Mickey said:
Irish Hermit said:
Catholic Halloween Mass, with the Devil giving Communion:
Ouch! I have seen the clown Mass before, but the halloween Mass with the devil giving communion is horrifying! It sickens me to the core!
Why does it concern you? We Catholic are just graceless heretics with fake sacraments right?
To adopt Alfonso's line in reverse - we have to groom you and get you ready for your return to the Church.   :)
righhhhht.
 

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Papist said:
We Catholic are just graceless heretics with fake sacraments right?
Why are you being so defensive?
 

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Mickey said:
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Nah, most of us who want to live our Catholic faith dispensed with the hippie nonsense.
I wouldn't be so sure. The Byzantine Catholics just revised the Liturgy using gender neutral language.  :eek:
I don't think that gender neutral language in the liturgy is hippie crap. Its just an updated translation. Words don't mean what they used to. There was a time when a person could say "all men" and mean both women and men just like a person does in Spanish. However, "all men" doesn't mean that anymore. Languages change and develop. So to get at what the liturgy was saying, a modern and accurate translation would be "all men and women".
 

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To adopt Alfonso's line in reverse - we have to groom you and get you ready for your return to the Church.   :)
:laugh:
 

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Mickey said:
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We Catholic are just graceless heretics with fake sacraments right?
Why are you being so defensive?
Just wondering why these rare and extreme abuses in the Catholic Church bother you if we don't even really have the Body and Blood of Christ at Mass in the first place. I mean, according to your Church's view, these events would only insult pieces of bread and glasses of wine.
 

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I don't think that gender neutral language in the liturgy is hippie crap.
LOL! The Byzantine Catholics would beg to differ with you.
 

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Just wondering why these rare and extreme abuses in the Catholic Church bother if we don't even really have the Body and Blood of Christ at Mass in the first place. I mean, according to your Church's view, these events would only insult pieces of bread and glasses of wine.
You seem to have a real inferiority complex.
 

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Just wondering why these rare and extreme abuses in the Catholic Church bother you
I think they are not as rare as you believe. But I will answer your question.

I am old enough to remember attending the Latin Mass of my youth.  To see this now--is a travesty.
 

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Mickey said:
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Just wondering why these rare and extreme abuses in the Catholic Church bother if we don't even really have the Body and Blood of Christ at Mass in the first place. I mean, according to your Church's view, these events would only insult pieces of bread and glasses of wine.
You seem to have a real inferiority complex.
Not at all. Just as you believe that the Eastern Orthodox Church is the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, I believe of my Church. What I am confused about is why you are so offened about Liturgical abuses in a Church that you don't even think has the Blessed Sacrament to offend in the first place. It seems like a bit of a contradiction.
 

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Papist said:
Mickey said:
Papist said:
Nah, most of us who want to live our Catholic faith dispensed with the hippie nonsense.
I wouldn't be so sure. The Byzantine Catholics just revised the Liturgy using gender neutral language.  :eek:
I don't think that gender neutral language in the liturgy is hippie crap. Its just an updated translation. Words don't mean what they used to. There was a time when a person could say "all men" and mean both women and men just like a person does in Spanish. However, "all men" doesn't mean that anymore. Languages change and develop. So to get at what the liturgy was saying, a modern and accurate translation would be "all men and women".
If you read the threads on such as ByzCath.org you will see that this has caused much angst for Byzantine Catholics and the issues go very deep for them.  One serendipity effect has been the departure of some of them for Orthodox Churches.
 

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Mickey said:
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Just wondering why these rare and extreme abuses in the Catholic Church bother you
I think they are not as rare as you believe.
The averager Catholic will never see an abuse that is that extreme and you know this very well. I wonder why you are pretending otherwise.
 

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Irish Hermit said:
Papist said:
Mickey said:
Papist said:
Nah, most of us who want to live our Catholic faith dispensed with the hippie nonsense.
I wouldn't be so sure. The Byzantine Catholics just revised the Liturgy using gender neutral language.  :eek:
I don't think that gender neutral language in the liturgy is hippie crap. Its just an updated translation. Words don't mean what they used to. There was a time when a person could say "all men" and mean both women and men just like a person does in Spanish. However, "all men" doesn't mean that anymore. Languages change and develop. So to get at what the liturgy was saying, a modern and accurate translation would be "all men and women".
If you read the threads on such as ByzCath.org you will see that this has caused much angst for Byzantine Catholics and the issues go very deep for them.  One serendipity effect has been the departure of some of them for Orthodox Churches.
Quite frankly, I think that those who have a problem with it need to grow up and get over it. Its ridiculous to create issues where none exist.
 

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If you read the threads on such as ByzCath.org you will see that this has caused much angst for Byzantine Catholics and the issues go very deep for them.  One serendipity effect has been the departure of some of them for Orthodox Churches.
There were many reasons for me (most of them doctrinal and patristic)---but that was a contributing factor.  :)
 

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Mickey said:
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If you read the threads on such as ByzCath.org you will see that this has caused much angst for Byzantine Catholics and the issues go very deep for them.  One serendipity effect has been the departure of some of them for Orthodox Churches.
There were many reasons for me (most of them doctrinal and patristic)---but that was a contributing factor.  :)
I can understand your other reasons. You didn't believe in what the teachings of the Catholic Church anymore. I am sympathetic to that. But this other reason, well I think that its plain silliness.
 

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Quite frankly, I think that those who have a problem with it need to grow up and get over it.
I will relay that to my Byzantine Catholic friends. I am sure that will solve all their problems.  :-\
 

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Papist said:
Mickey said:
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Just wondering why these rare and extreme abuses in the Catholic Church bother you
I think they are not as rare as you believe.
The averager Catholic will never see an abuse that is that extreme and you know this very well. I wonder why you are pretending otherwise.
But all the same, Alfonso, there must be something profoundly wrong if His Holiness is moved to lament from the depth of his soul...



"I am convinced that the ecclesial crisis in which we find ourselves
today depends in great part on the collapse of the liturgy.”


"In its practical materialization, liturgical reform has moved further
away from this origin. The result was not re-animation but devastation.

Pope Benedict XVI
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