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http://youtu.be/oPmrdmcTzoo

^I thought Byzantines used no musical instruments in their worship.  What instrument is being used here?
 

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qawe said:
http://youtu.be/oPmrdmcTzoo

^I thought Byzantines used no musical instruments in their worship.  What instrument is being used here?
The recording in the link has been doctored. The vocal has been sped up, and an instrumental track added. I have the actual recording of this psalm, and it sounds quite different.
 

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Having said that, I have observed in Greek monastic settings, on feast days, the rhythmic shaking of hand censers during particular hymns, which I would classify as use of a musical instrument, since it is done in time to the chant.
 

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Iconodule said:
Having said that, I have observed in Greek monastic settings, on feast days, the rhythmic shaking of hand censers during particular hymns, which I would classify as use of a musical instrument, since it is done in time to the chant.
.... but that would sound nothing like the audio in the link. It wouldn't sound processed or cheesy.
 

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LBK said:
Iconodule said:
Having said that, I have observed in Greek monastic settings, on feast days, the rhythmic shaking of hand censers during particular hymns, which I would classify as use of a musical instrument, since it is done in time to the chant.
.... but that would sound nothing like the audio in the link. It wouldn't sound processed or cheesy.
I've never heard this, but 'cheesy' did come to mind when I read it...anyone have a video or audio track of the sychronized censing?
 

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podkarpatska said:
LBK said:
Iconodule said:
Having said that, I have observed in Greek monastic settings, on feast days, the rhythmic shaking of hand censers during particular hymns, which I would classify as use of a musical instrument, since it is done in time to the chant.
.... but that would sound nothing like the audio in the link. It wouldn't sound processed or cheesy.
I've never heard this, but 'cheesy' did come to mind when I read it...anyone have a video or audio track of the sychronized censing?
Check this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F9-cc_lOVw
It's indeed an Athonite monastic practice usually performed with the katzion (hand censer)
 

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I have heard the same on an Arabic recording of the polyeleos.  Strictly speaking, i suppose it is a musical instrument but it seems more to keep the rhythm than anything else.  Or it could be doctored like LBK said, but doctored to represent the swinging chandelier which accompanies the chanting of psalms 134 and 135.  Judt a guess.
 

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Don't forget the use of bells in Russia; those are musical instruments too (Russian bells are specifically designed to produce a range of different harmonics rather than a single note, and complicated polyrhythms are used to ring them).
 

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scamandrius said:
I have heard the same on an Arabic recording of the polyeleos.  Strictly speaking, i suppose it is a musical instrument but it seems more to keep the rhythm than anything else.  Or it could be doctored like LBK said, but doctored to represent the swinging chandelier which accompanies the chanting of psalms 134 and 135.  Judt a guess.
The soundtrack was indeed doctored, both in tempo and in the addition of what I can only call a disco- or dance-style beat. Nothing to do with swinging chandeliers or censers. It sounded false and tacky, completely at odds with the reverence and dignity of the original recording, performed by perhaps the finest Byzantine choir today.
 

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LBK said:
scamandrius said:
I have heard the same on an Arabic recording of the polyeleos.  Strictly speaking, i suppose it is a musical instrument but it seems more to keep the rhythm than anything else.  Or it could be doctored like LBK said, but doctored to represent the swinging chandelier which accompanies the chanting of psalms 134 and 135.  Judt a guess.
The soundtrack was indeed doctored, both in tempo and in the addition of what I can only call a disco- or dance-style beat. Nothing to do with swinging chandeliers or censers. It sounded false and tacky, completely at odds with the reverence and dignity of the original recording, performed by perhaps the finest Byzantine choir today.
I know nothing about Byzantine chant so I am curious about the tempo. Usually when tempo is accelerated electronically there are tell tale signs effecting the tone and pitch. Is there a link to an unaltered format to compare?
 

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LBK said:
Iconodule said:
Having said that, I have observed in Greek monastic settings, on feast days, the rhythmic shaking of hand censers during particular hymns, which I would classify as use of a musical instrument, since it is done in time to the chant.
.... but that would sound nothing like the audio in the link. It wouldn't sound processed or cheesy.
As one who frequents Greek monasteries, I can tell you that is exactly what it sounds like. This is not doctored.
 

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Antonis said:
LBK said:
Iconodule said:
Having said that, I have observed in Greek monastic settings, on feast days, the rhythmic shaking of hand censers during particular hymns, which I would classify as use of a musical instrument, since it is done in time to the chant.
.... but that would sound nothing like the audio in the link. It wouldn't sound processed or cheesy.
As one who frequents Greek monasteries, I can tell you that is exactly what it sounds like. This is not doctored.
I would also like to add that in some Greek monastic traditions, hand-bells are used during the polyeleos which produce this very sound.
 
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