- Nov 14, 2005
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- Denver, CO
Hear, hear.before I thought about Gregorian, which still speaks to my heart in ways eastern chant never has.
That made me chuckle. Pedro, my good man, if anyone has wanted to find a way to accept WR ways it has been me. Like you, I love (and perhaps prefer) Gregorian-style chants. My parents were Episcopal for 11 years and that's where I was infant-baptized. I still enjoy going to the Catholic Cathedral downtown for concerts, and I used to go for Mass before becoming Orthodox. And I love pipe organs![Deep sigh] (Eeeeeasy, Pedro...)
OK...MicahJohn...what about the WR do you have a hard time as accepting as fully Orthodox? You can PM me on this one if you like so as not to derail the thread. As you may have noticed ('cause, y'know, I didn't make it obvious or anything :), the Western Rite is something dear to my heart, even though I'm in the OCA myself...
But I had the fortune, good or bad, to come to Orthodoxy within a conservative OCA parish which does not approve of WR, so I've been influenced by that, understandably. When I look at WR stuff on the web, and I have gotten to know a WR priest a little bit here in town, it just seems like their main issue is to be Western and not Eastern, rather than just being Orthodox Christians. So some minor points:
I have become fully convinced that instruments are best left out of church. Actually, I think choirs are best left out of church, too, but that's tough in Orthodoxy these days. I think all church music should be monophonic, too. This isn't really a beef with WR except that I think nearly all WR parishes have organs, and pews too, which I also think should be gone.
I've been informed that there are little problems still with the WR liturgies, things like "as it was in the beginning" or some particular wording in the consecration that smacks of "Real Presence" rather than actually mystical transformation. I don't know, I'm not a scholar, I'm just going by my spiritual directors.
If the Faith and the Liturgy are so intimately connected as I have been led to believe, then a different Liturgy implies subtle differences in the faith. How can we all have the same Faith yet worship in such different manners? There seems to be such a different spirit between ER & WR.
My trouble is, not to mention the fact that my parents are entirely pro-WR and very turned off by East good, West bad, since I am such a new OC I am one of those "weaker brethren" which are greatly affected by what this or that person says is right or wrong. Not that I can't think for myself, but when it comes to this stuff it's really easy for me to be influenced. I've had my priest tell me one thing and my dad another. I came to the conclusion that it was serving merely to distract me from working on my salvation, so I have tried to let go and just give my priest my allegiance.
When it comes down to it, I prefer just about all the stylistic, visual (except for icons) and sonic elements of western worship above eastern. I don't know what to make of no iconostasis, but I find those "high altars" you seen in western churches to be grand and inspiring, whereas everything is hidden in the eastern church. I love stained glass windows, I love huge echoey chambers, and I definitely prefer modal chanting.
So, Pedro, you see how torn I am!