FakeNewsGorazd said:
This is unfair.Saxon said:Does this qualify as cosplay?juliogb said:
Why do Ukrainian churches under the EP in North America commemorate non-Orthodox (but very much national) figures like Stepan Bandera during Liturgy? Just how widely connected are you people?LizaSymonenko said:
If we do, it's hidden pretty well. I never heard it here in UOCC. Maybe some church sticks him in the litany among the reposed. That would be fine with me (and fine if they don't - slightly preferable as he was divisive), except I believe Stepan Bandera was Ukrainian Catholic.Saxon said:
No it isn't.Iconodule said:
The article notes that Ukraine's Church's territory is limited to Ukraine, implying that churches abroad in the Ukrainian Diaspora will have to go under other structures (ie. be subject to the EP like GOARCH and ACROD are). Further, it says that there will be an exarchate in Ukraine and stavropegia. There were major stavropegia of the EP in past centuries in the Ukraine, like the Kiev Caves Monastery.Iconodule said:
He gets his marching order from the "Honorary Patriarch".Iconodule said:
They certainly can but now that they've invested so much on Ukraine it would be kind of embarassing if they suddenly revoked it. Hard to see it happening without current Ecumenical Patriarch retiring or something.Iconodule said:
I have NEVER heard him commemorated at any of our churches during Liturgy. I have attended countless UOC parishes, with countless UOC priests.... and not a single one commemorated him.Saxon said:
since the Ucrainican church is not a canonical Orthodox Church, that does not answer the question.LizaSymonenko said:
I wonder if the UAOC has practically dissolved itself into a new version of the UOC-KP, since Pat.? Epiphany was the candidate that Pat. Filaret Denisenko insisted on.ialmisry said:
That said, the UOCUSA remains undeniably canonical. I had some warm conversations a few years ago with Fr. Michael, a former CIA agent who became priest of the Ukrainian Orthodox church in Rhode Island.ialmisry said:
A lifelong parishioner at the UOCC cathedral insisted to me that we are not under EP. He was very much mistaken. This happens.ialmisry said:
Met. Epiphaniy, and yes, apparently Patr. Emer. Filaret insisted on him quite strongly. Still, it's OCU, and time will tell whether it's "a new version of the UOC-KP" and whether UAOC "dissolved itself" into it. With any luck, the new structure will inherit many things from UOC-KP but will grow distinct from it.rakovsky said:
Only very, very fragile identities worry about silly things like an arbitrary question of English usage. I mean, how many Lebanese get annoyed when older Brits talk about "the Lebanon"?Gorazd said:
Both of Lebanon's neighbours seem to have accepted Lebanon's existence as an independent country by now. Whereas Ukraine has invaders on the ground. Or in other words, when one's existence is under threat, it's natural to be more sensitive about such issues.Samn! said:
Or indeed “the Yemen” or “the Sudan.” Or “the Czech Republic.” It would be anti-Czech to call the Czech republic something else, in English, in part due to Nazi terminology referring to the region and in part due to the independence of the Czech Republic from Slovakia. Several countries names are prefaced with the, and the Ukraine is one of them. This has always been the case, and does not deprecate the country so named; indeed it can signify great power. The Roman Empire, The British Empire, The Ottoman Empire, the Soviet Union, The United States of America, and so on. Countries that simply have a proper name with no definite article in common use tend to be smaller nation states.Samn! said:
??? The Lebanese live in constant anxiety about another Israeli invasion. Although they withdrew from most of Lebanon in 2000, the Israelis still occupy the Shebaa Farms and have military overflights, often at low altitudes, of Lebanese cities at least every couple weeks. There's still a pretty large UN peacekeeping presence throughout the formerly occupied part of the country, the poorly-named "Interim" Force in Lebanon. Add to that even after the last Syrian troops withdrew in 2005-2006 (when they officially ended a policy of "one nation, two states" and opened an embassy), virtually all of Lebanese politics still revolves around the issue of relations with Syria. Plus, roughly a quarter of people living in Lebanon are Syrians... Add to that the another 5-10% of the population being Palestinians who, while horribly discriminated against in Lebanese law, are also a law unto themselves within their camps... So maybe the Lebanese have too many real worries about sovereignty to police other people's verbal quirks.Gorazd said:
