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New forensic study of the Shroud of Turin, claims bloodstains are clearly faked.

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https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/new-forensic-tests-suggest-shroud-of-turin-is-fake/ar-AAAgmyM
 

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LivenotoneviL said:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/new-forensic-tests-suggest-shroud-of-turin-is-fake/ar-AAAgmyM
I'm still holding out hope that these tests are wrong. "fingers crossed"
 

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Asteriktos said:




Doesn't match.
Better.  Friendlier and more forgiving.

 

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Nah, the History Channel documentary on the Shroud of Turin had the best 3D reconstruction.

 

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Jackson02 said:
LivenotoneviL said:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/new-forensic-tests-suggest-shroud-of-turin-is-fake/ar-AAAgmyM
I'm still holding out hope that these tests are wrong. "fingers crossed"
The source is crap.
 

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Which source? The news article or the Shroud itself? And why?
 

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hecma925 said:
Better.  Friendlier and more forgiving.
You have what the saints call "theologic saavy."
 

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Asteriktos said:




Doesn't match.
i thought the real Jesus had a unibrow, though.
 

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Nope, you're all wrong. You see, the Shroud of Turin is part of a matched set of "not-made-by-hands" images and the other piece, the face-cloth, is in Manopello:


...I sense skepticism.  :p
 

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LivenotoneviL said:
Nah, the History Channel documentary on the Shroud of Turin had the best 3D reconstruction.

The second pic  Asteriktos posted is actually the reconstruction of some random skull from the time and region of Christ.
 

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RaphaCam said:
LivenotoneviL said:
Nah, the History Channel documentary on the Shroud of Turin had the best 3D reconstruction.

The second pic  Asteriktos posted is actually the reconstruction of some random skull from the time and region of Christ.
Skulls, actually.
 

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LivenotoneviL said:
The miracle of sun screen lotion before it was even invented!
 

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LivenotoneviL said:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/new-forensic-tests-suggest-shroud-of-turin-is-fake/ar-AAAgmyM
I am not surprised.
 

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Reminds me of this Pew poll of Americans in 1996:

"Still, most people (64%) say that if science were to prove that one of their religious beliefs was scientifically incorrect, they would continue to believe what their religion teaches."
 

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Hypothetical absolute scientific belief ~ little amuses the innocent ~ and much less a fool ```
 

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I thought that since this relic is in the hands of the Roman Catholics, it was one of the ones we didn't care about anymore.
 

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Asteriktos said:
Reminds me of this Pew poll of Americans in 1996:

"Still, most people (64%) say that if science were to prove that one of their religious beliefs was scientifically incorrect, they would continue to believe what their religion teaches."
Pastafarians are among the worst; they are immune to empirical evidence.
 

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Jetavan said:
Asteriktos said:
Reminds me of this Pew poll of Americans in 1996:

"Still, most people (64%) say that if science were to prove that one of their religious beliefs was scientifically incorrect, they would continue to believe what their religion teaches."
Pastafarians are among the worst; they are immune to empirical evidence.
You can't empirically test someone being touched by His noodly appendage. You can't replicate a transcendental experience like that in a lab. You just can't.
 

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Thankfully,  i dont hing my belief in material substance. Fake or real wouldn't determine belief.
 

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biro said:
I thought that since this relic is in the hands of the Roman Catholics, it was one of the ones we didn't care about anymore.
We care about many of the relics they stole from us.  Actually, we care about all of them.
 

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Mor Ephrem said:
biro said:
I thought that since this relic is in the hands of the Roman Catholics, it was one of the ones we didn't care about anymore.
We care about many of the relics they stole from us.  Actually, we care about all of them.
+1 And miraclous icons.
 

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This Shroud was ~ I pretty sure I remember reading many years ago ~ found hidden in a wall of Odessa after a flood ~ and taken west ```

Let me see what I can find ```


The Roman church is a misbehaving, power greedy member ( Ex Member if you like ) of the Universal Church ~ not made in isolation ~ it does have some items ~ like the Bones of St. Gregory ~ that were just returned East ~ and much of the teaching of the Church not yet diluted or watered down or discarded ```

I have always felt ~ and believed the Shroud to be ~ the real thing ```

Sethrak, this negative characterization of the Roman Church is polemical and does not belong in the Christian News forum.  I issued you a 20% warning.  Please review the forum rules, particularly what posting behavior is acceptable in which fora.  If you'd like to appeal this decision, please do so via PM.

Thanks,
-Ainnir
 

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"Edessa"


http://greatshroudofturinfaq.com/Definitions/edessa.html


https://www.allaboutarchaeology.org/history-of-the-shroud-of-turin-faq.htm
 

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The Mandylion of Edessa is something separate from Christ's burial shroud.
 

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Not to us is it different ```

https://allinnet.info/history/the-edessan-origin-of-the-shroud-of-turin/

the existence of the true representation of Jesus in Edessa.

The Shroud of Turin or Image of Edessa?

Wilson* suggested that the disciples of Jesus, having saved the Shroud of Turin from the Jews, took it away from Palestine to Edessa (names of the city of Urfa or Şanlıurfa located in the Armenian Highlands (southeast of modern Turkey, near the border of Syria)), which was administered by the Roman Empire, but had its own king.

Some suppose that the Shroud of Turin was actually the Image of Edessa (also known as Mandylion). Wilson believes that people thought it was an Image of Edessa because only the face of Jesus could be seen on the folded Shroud carried by the disciples.

That was due to the precious trellised case made by royal masters (see the bottom image). Thus, the Shroud probably served as a prototype for Mandylion. Wilson discovered several icons reproducing this trellised ornament.

After the death of King Abgar V in Edessa, severe pagan unrests occurred, resulting in the breakdown of the Christian community. The Shroud (or Mandylion) was walled in a niche in the city wall above its western gates.

 

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Sethrak said:
Not to us is it different ```
Yes it is. The Mandylion is a miraculous image of Christ's face, sent to King Abgar. It is not a burial shroud.
 

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Real enough for me
 

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Jetavan said:
Asteriktos said:
Reminds me of this Pew poll of Americans in 1996:

"Still, most people (64%) say that if science were to prove that one of their religious beliefs was scientifically incorrect, they would continue to believe what their religion teaches."
Pastafarians are among the worst; they are immune to empirical evidence.
I literally thought you made that term up until I found their website.
 

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A dead person doesnt bleed like a live person.  So how could this study be accurate? 
 
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