Ohio priest arrested, charged with trying to meet children for sex

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FormerReformer said:
And here's the fun of the American legal system- one can be guilty of "attempting" a physical act against two purely fictional and imaginary beings.  ::)
That's kinda disturbing. I do not think he did anything deserving actual jail time.
 

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augustin717 said:
FormerReformer said:
And here's the fun of the American legal system- one can be guilty of "attempting" a physical act against two purely fictional and imaginary beings.  ::)
That's kinda disturbing. I do not think he did anything deserving actual jail time.
Attempting to solicit sex from minors doesn't deserve jail time??? Seriously???
 

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neon_knights said:
augustin717 said:
FormerReformer said:
And here's the fun of the American legal system- one can be guilty of "attempting" a physical act against two purely fictional and imaginary beings.  ::)
That's kinda disturbing. I do not think he did anything deserving actual jail time.
Attempting to solicit sex from minors doesn't deserve jail time??? Seriously???
No, when you don't talk to an actual minor. Some other penalty or whatever. But 6 years in prison is way over the top.
Reminds me of a joke, during Stalin's purges two convicts meet: One got 10 years another 5. The one that got 5 years says: I only got 5 because I didn't do anything, what did you do to get 10?
 

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Metropolitan Savas celebrated the Sacrament of Holy Unction, the sacrament of healing, for the Columbus faithful in the Cathedral this week.
 

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"10tv.com", WBNS TV 10, Columbus, Ohio, has a video report of Fr. Nicholas' sentencing in the Common Pleas Court of Franklin County, he having pleaded guilty.  The judge ordered a 6 year prison term, nearly as much on probation thereafter.  Fr. Nicholas quotes from scripture, "Scandals will come, but woe be on the people that they come by."  The reporter notes that the Archdiocese of America stated that the Metropolis of Pittsburgh will convene  a Spiritual Court to address Fr. Nicholas' behavior. 
 

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augustin717 said:
FormerReformer said:
And here's the fun of the American legal system- one can be guilty of "attempting" a physical act against two purely fictional and imaginary beings.  ::)
That's kinda disturbing. I do not think he did anything deserving actual jail time.
You would have preferred his victims to have been REAL children?

Somehow the law enforcers can't win. Derided for showing up after a crime has been committed they also criticized for doing what is their best purpose: preventing a crime. Go figure.
 

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augustin717 said:
neon_knights said:
augustin717 said:
FormerReformer said:
And here's the fun of the American legal system- one can be guilty of "attempting" a physical act against two purely fictional and imaginary beings.  ::)
That's kinda disturbing. I do not think he did anything deserving actual jail time.
Attempting to solicit sex from minors doesn't deserve jail time??? Seriously???
No, when you don't talk to an actual minor. Some other penalty or whatever. But 6 years in prison is way over the top.
Reminds me of a joke, during Stalin's purges two convicts meet: One got 10 years another 5. The one that got 5 years says: I only got 5 because I didn't do anything, what did you do to get 10?
You are wrong.  Making an overt attempt with intent to complete the offense, which is what I believe he did, is a crime deserving the sentence he received.  Had he actually completed his attempts, he would be looking at decades.

In respect to his only attempting with no real victim, wives have attempted to hire hit men to murder their husbands, but contacts LE officials instead, making no "real" victim and still been charged.  There is no difference.
 

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Αριστοκλής said:
augustin717 said:
FormerReformer said:
And here's the fun of the American legal system- one can be guilty of "attempting" a physical act against two purely fictional and imaginary beings.  ::)
That's kinda disturbing. I do not think he did anything deserving actual jail time.
You would have preferred his victims to have been REAL children?

Somehow the law enforcers can't win. Derided for showing up after a crime has been committed they also criticized for doing what is their best purpose: preventing a crime. Go figure.
Indeed, being the reason it's called Crime Prevention.
 

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Αριστοκλής said:
augustin717 said:
FormerReformer said:
And here's the fun of the American legal system- one can be guilty of "attempting" a physical act against two purely fictional and imaginary beings.  ::)
That's kinda disturbing. I do not think he did anything deserving actual jail time.
You would have preferred his victims to have been REAL children?

Somehow the law enforcers can't win. Derided for showing up after a crime has been committed they also criticized for doing what is their best purpose: preventing a crime. Go figure.
Well, can we really call this "attempted rape"? How can one attempt the rape of someone that doesn't exist? "Attempted Solicitation" more fits the bill, and with the Sex Crime laws we have in this country ensures that anyone is punished for the rest of their lives no matter how much jail time is spent.

Honestly, though, I'm just laughing at the legal fictions of our wondrous land. I wonder if it is possible for an imaginary being to charge a corporation (legally a person) with attempted rape.
 

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FormerReformer said:
And here's the fun of the American legal system- one can be guilty of "attempting" a physical act against two purely fictional and imaginary beings.  ::)
Oh crap, I've played a lot of GTA as a teenager.  How many attempted murders have I committed???
 

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FormerReformer said:
Αριστοκλής said:
augustin717 said:
FormerReformer said:
And here's the fun of the American legal system- one can be guilty of "attempting" a physical act against two purely fictional and imaginary beings.  ::)
That's kinda disturbing. I do not think he did anything deserving actual jail time.
You would have preferred his victims to have been REAL children?

Somehow the law enforcers can't win. Derided for showing up after a crime has been committed they also criticized for doing what is their best purpose: preventing a crime. Go figure.
Well, can we really call this "attempted rape"? How can one attempt the rape of someone that doesn't exist? "Attempted Solicitation" more fits the bill, and with the Sex Crime laws we have in this country ensures that anyone is punished for the rest of their lives no matter how much jail time is spent.

Honestly, though, I'm just laughing at the legal fictions of our wondrous land. I wonder if it is possible for an imaginary being to charge a corporation (legally a person) with attempted rape.
The guilty plea in this case belies your argument.
 

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Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

What is really starting to outright embarrass me is the sheer amount apologists for child molestation here, and not just on this thread but others.  :(

Whether the priest in this instance molested an actual child or not, such were his intentions, and had it been a real kid such probably would have been his actions.  What, are folks suddenly comfortable with priests trolling the internet looking for child victims? Lord have His mercy!!

vamrat said:
FormerReformer said:
And here's the fun of the American legal system- one can be guilty of "attempting" a physical act against two purely fictional and imaginary beings.  ::)
Oh crap, I've played a lot of GTA as a teenager.  How many attempted murders have I committed???
I played it too, but a lot of Fathers just might suggest that the extreme and gratuitous violence of such entertainment is very negatively influencing on our spiritual development. The difference between violent video games and violent literature/films is that in video games it is a virtual reality, you act out and think and simulate the violence directly, you are not a passive observer.


stay blessed,
habte selassie
 

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FormerReformer said:
Αριστοκλής said:
augustin717 said:
FormerReformer said:
And here's the fun of the American legal system- one can be guilty of "attempting" a physical act against two purely fictional and imaginary beings.  ::)
That's kinda disturbing. I do not think he did anything deserving actual jail time.
You would have preferred his victims to have been REAL children?

Somehow the law enforcers can't win. Derided for showing up after a crime has been committed they also criticized for doing what is their best purpose: preventing a crime. Go figure.
Well, can we really call this "attempted rape"? How can one attempt the rape of someone that doesn't exist? "Attempted Solicitation" more fits the bill, and with the Sex Crime laws we have in this country ensures that anyone is punished for the rest of their lives no matter how much jail time is spent.

Honestly, though, I'm just laughing at the legal fictions of our wondrous land. I wonder if it is possible for an imaginary being to charge a corporation (legally a person) with attempted rape.
If they knowing allowed of facilitated the criminal action, yes.  Penn State.
 

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Αριστοκλής said:
FormerReformer said:
Αριστοκλής said:
augustin717 said:
FormerReformer said:
And here's the fun of the American legal system- one can be guilty of "attempting" a physical act against two purely fictional and imaginary beings.  ::)
That's kinda disturbing. I do not think he did anything deserving actual jail time.
You would have preferred his victims to have been REAL children?

Somehow the law enforcers can't win. Derided for showing up after a crime has been committed they also criticized for doing what is their best purpose: preventing a crime. Go figure.
Well, can we really call this "attempted rape"? How can one attempt the rape of someone that doesn't exist? "Attempted Solicitation" more fits the bill, and with the Sex Crime laws we have in this country ensures that anyone is punished for the rest of their lives no matter how much jail time is spent.

Honestly, though, I'm just laughing at the legal fictions of our wondrous land. I wonder if it is possible for an imaginary being to charge a corporation (legally a person) with attempted rape.
The guilty plea in this case belies your argument.
My guess is, there was an abundance of evidence a which could have resulted in a more severe charge and punishment, so a balance was established for a guilty plea to ensure conviction and a minimal sentence, but I'm only guessing.  I've seen it before.
 

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HabteSelassie said:
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

What is really starting to outright embarrass me is the sheer amount apologists for child molestation here, and not just on this thread but others.  :(

Whether the priest in this instance molested an actual child or not, such were his intentions, and had it been a real kid such probably would have been his actions.  What, are folks suddenly comfortable with priests trolling the internet looking for child victims? Lord have His mercy!!

vamrat said:
FormerReformer said:
And here's the fun of the American legal system- one can be guilty of "attempting" a physical act against two purely fictional and imaginary beings.  ::)
Oh crap, I've played a lot of GTA as a teenager.  How many attempted murders have I committed???
I played it too, but a lot of Fathers just might suggest that the extreme and gratuitous violence of such entertainment is very negatively influencing on our spiritual development. The difference between violent video games and violent literature/films is that in video games it is a virtual reality, you act out and think and simulate the violence directly, you are not a passive observer.


stay blessed,
habte selassie
You are in for a real treat when you hear someone star blaming the child in these cases. 
 

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Kerdy said:
Αριστοκλής said:
FormerReformer said:
Αριστοκλής said:
augustin717 said:
FormerReformer said:
And here's the fun of the American legal system- one can be guilty of "attempting" a physical act against two purely fictional and imaginary beings.  ::)
That's kinda disturbing. I do not think he did anything deserving actual jail time.
You would have preferred his victims to have been REAL children?

Somehow the law enforcers can't win. Derided for showing up after a crime has been committed they also criticized for doing what is their best purpose: preventing a crime. Go figure.
Well, can we really call this "attempted rape"? How can one attempt the rape of someone that doesn't exist? "Attempted Solicitation" more fits the bill, and with the Sex Crime laws we have in this country ensures that anyone is punished for the rest of their lives no matter how much jail time is spent.

Honestly, though, I'm just laughing at the legal fictions of our wondrous land. I wonder if it is possible for an imaginary being to charge a corporation (legally a person) with attempted rape.
The guilty plea in this case belies your argument.
My guess is, there was an abundance of evidence a which could have resulted in a more severe charge and punishment, so a balance was established for a guilty plea to ensure conviction and a minimal sentence, but I'm only guessing.  I've seen it before.
I wouldn't be too surprised- a hard-drive full of child porn is all that it takes to push the sentencing into the stratosphere. Which could give me more fun of pointing out how much nonsense we have about imaginary things in our legal system if the porn had been Bart or Lisa Simpson renderings  :laugh:

HabteSelassie said:
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

What is really starting to outright embarrass me is the sheer amount apologists for child molestation here, and not just on this thread but others.  :(
I hope I'm not being seen as an "apologist" for child molestation- just with the facts of this case as they've been presented to us I merely find it funny that someone can legally "attempt" to molest a person who has never existed. Yes, it is disturbing- far more disturbing is that as a parish priest he must have come into contact with numerous REAL children each day.

Kerdy said:
You are in for a real treat when you hear someone star blaming the child in these cases. 
That would make my day. "It's all the fault of the children. Those sexy, imaginary children, with their wayward non-realness, and tantalizing fantastical nature! Who could blame him? It's like them kids were the stuff that dreams are made of."
 

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FormerReformer said:
Kerdy said:
Αριστοκλής said:
FormerReformer said:
Αριστοκλής said:
augustin717 said:
FormerReformer said:
And here's the fun of the American legal system- one can be guilty of "attempting" a physical act against two purely fictional and imaginary beings.  ::)
That's kinda disturbing. I do not think he did anything deserving actual jail time.
You would have preferred his victims to have been REAL children?

Somehow the law enforcers can't win. Derided for showing up after a crime has been committed they also criticized for doing what is their best purpose: preventing a crime. Go figure.
Well, can we really call this "attempted rape"? How can one attempt the rape of someone that doesn't exist? "Attempted Solicitation" more fits the bill, and with the Sex Crime laws we have in this country ensures that anyone is punished for the rest of their lives no matter how much jail time is spent.

Honestly, though, I'm just laughing at the legal fictions of our wondrous land. I wonder if it is possible for an imaginary being to charge a corporation (legally a person) with attempted rape.
The guilty plea in this case belies your argument.
My guess is, there was an abundance of evidence a which could have resulted in a more severe charge and punishment, so a balance was established for a guilty plea to ensure conviction and a minimal sentence, but I'm only guessing.  I've seen it before.
I wouldn't be too surprised- a hard-drive full of child porn is all that it takes to push the sentencing into the stratosphere. Which could give me more fun of pointing out how much nonsense we have about imaginary things in our legal system if the porn had been Bart or Lisa Simpson renderings  :laugh:

HabteSelassie said:
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

What is really starting to outright embarrass me is the sheer amount apologists for child molestation here, and not just on this thread but others.  :(
I hope I'm not being seen as an "apologist" for child molestation- just with the facts of this case as they've been presented to us I merely find it funny that someone can legally "attempt" to molest a person who has never existed. Yes, it is disturbing- far more disturbing is that as a parish priest he must have come into contact with numerous REAL children each day.

Kerdy said:
You are in for a real treat when you hear someone star blaming the child in these cases.  
That would make my day. "It's all the fault of the children. Those sexy, imaginary children, with their wayward non-realness, and tantalizing fantastical nature! Who could blame him? It's like them kids were the stuff that dreams are made of."
You are having a real problem with connecting the dots on this one.  Let me illuminate you with a little fact.  The USA is not the only nation with these sorts of laws.  In fact, most countries have them.  Probably a good reason if you want to look into it.

It may be useful to also learn the difference between imagery and pornographic imagery, legally speaking.
 
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