- Sep 18, 2008
- Reaction score
- Orthodox Christian
- Nea Roma
It is excuses on both sides. There are some problems in "old world translation." I realized that my reference to "new calendar" meant to some people "Gregorian" rather than "Orthodox revised Julian" (i.e. the Milankovic Orthodox calendar).podkarpatska said:I've' stated it before, my parish is Old Calendar, personally I have preference for the New, but no real passion one way or the other as there are strong points in defense of each. If it changes some day, so be it, if not so be it...This past year I celebrated the full cycle of the Nativity week on the New at my son's parish in Georgia. It FELT in my heart like Christmas to the extent when my wife said to me after Liturgy on the 26th of December that we HAD to get to the mall for the sales...I groggily replied...there won't be anything left by now..you always do that on the 26th....
That being said, I don't think either the New or Old calendar Orthodox really use this issue as the basis for 'anathemas' or 'schism', I see it as an excuse used by both sides where there may be deeper issues under the surface. Surely on the face of the earth, given current events in particular, the calendar by itself - one way or the other - is a rather poor, if not (to use the vernacular) crappy excuse over which to divide the Church....
The first time that someone suggested switching from Old to New Julian calendar was in 2005. I forbid even having a vote. Then they presented evidence that over 50% wanted it. I said, "that is not enough to warrant dividing a parish." Year after year it got brought up, each time, I forbid the vote...until the end of 2013. Then, I allowed it, shocked to find out that over 90% of the parish was for switching to revised Julian observance (to call it a different calendar really isn't correct--is same calendar, just with a different look at past leap years, and thus 13 days difference in observing dates of the menaion, but same Ochoich, same Triodion, same Pentecostarion....). Anyway, Bishop approved and I still dragged on the switch to the Orthodox RJC, such that it only happened this year. For the old julians, it is not even May yet. That is where I found myself a hypocrite. If someone asked me the date, I would always given them the civil date. Today is May 10. It is not the end of April (as it is if we are truly observing old Julian calendar). That being said, I still have an affinity toward old Julian. However, I wish that the Church as a whole just makes a decision. However, if they make a decision for the old Julian, let us stop saying that civil January 7 is January 7, and start calling it December 25 (the actual date if we are truly observing Old Julian Calendar). Otherwise, let us start recognizing the days in accordance with the reality of the early centuries of the church...that Nativity in days of the second ecumenical council was celebrated within days (not weeks) of the winter solstice, and the same for the rest of the days with regard to the astronomical year.