- Feb 4, 2005
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Well, let's look at them individuallySarah said:I am against it for various reasons.
Christ was also a Jew...so should only Jews be priests? St. Paul teaches us that 'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.' The issue of race and gender are here equated, so your belief that women shouldn't be priests logically implies that neither should gentiles.Our priest's son was ordained a priest at our parish recently. Bishop ANTOUN told us about another priest's son whose hand his father kissed after his ordination. When the son protested, the father told him that he was not kissing his hand but the hand of Christ. Since Christ was a male, priests should be male.
While celibacy is a possibility, I dont see how this is really an issue. Even today, are not children taken through the Royal Doors and around the altar at a Churching? I fail to see how allowing an ordained woman who is pregnant to move as normal through the royal doors would be either practically or theologically problematic.What if a young woman was ordained and then became pregnant? How could the baby who is not ordained do priestly things (e.g., go through the Royal Doors)? I know the baby has to go where the mother goes, but that is kind of my point! And those who argue that she could be too old or celebate, let me remind them of Sarah, Elizabeth, and the Theotokos!
As tempted as I am to jump up and down yelling things like judaizer and blasphemy, I shall refrain and simply quote again from the words of St. Paul, 'I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.'What about the "monthly cycle and uncleanness" issue? That would certainly throw a monkey wrench into the service schedule!
Of course if you do believe that there is uncleanness related to menstruation perhaps that could be discussed separately; but I will say now with conviction that it is sin and not the body that makes one unclean.
While I support the ordination of women, I do not like the idea of artificially forcing all titles and customs without allowing for reasonable change like the anglicans did. I would advocate the use of the term Priestess and calling her Mother...though this should have no impact on ranking within ecclesiastical orders.What would we call her: Father, Mother, Fatheress?
While I am tempted to adjust the arguments of Chiniquy's The Priest, the Woman, and the Confessional for this subject, I wont simply because I would not believe my own presuppositions (not that that has stopped me in the past, but there's probably enough controversy here without me artificially creating more). But I will ask why? There is actually a fairly well established custom of confessing to a Spiritual Mother in a female monastery, though absolution cannot be given. Furthermore, I will say then dont confess to a female priest; there are many priests to whom I would not feel comfortable confessing, so I simply dont confess to them, I'll find another priest for confession.I wouldn't want to confess to a woman!
They can wear a kalimafi...KAKOS ;D ...nevermind that, it's an inside HCHC joke. Elsewhere I have discussed this issue and have argued that this is an outdated Judaizing custom. It certainly should not be expected of anyone and the fact of the matter is that, at least within the Greek Archdiocese, women who wear headscarves are very few and far between (and almost always get funny looks and are avoided at coffee hour unless they're over 70). Of course vestments could always be designed to include some sort of a head covering (such as a kalimafi), but, really, such a consideration would be nothing short of absurd.What about the "women shouldn't pray with their heads uncovered" issue?
I would too...mind you I look fairly scary in a beard as well, decided to go clean shaven recently, fortunately they're not a requirement.I would be scared of a female priest who could grow a beard!
No, it's not the only way to serve, but I see no reason that it should be forbidden to women as one of many ways to serve.Women play an important role in the Church. Being a priest isn't the only way to serve.
I'm sorry, but I really dont see how any of these considerations are (or even imply) compelling theological arguments the ordination of women. But the fact that these arguments are used does illustrate one important point, when this is the best the Church can put forth to defend a position which is contrary to social mores and egalitarian decency is it any surprise that the Church is quickly becomming irrelevant to the masses and especially the youth even in traditionally Orthodox societies?