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Syriac Orthodox hymn, To Ba-Shlom Ru 'Yo Shariro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTWCE5PI_Ow
 

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This hymn is sung in the Armenian Church after Communion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTEQpxgnRZs
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B8rnuP-VKA&feature=related

An Armenian hymn sung at the tomb of St. Gregorios in India, during the recent visit of His Holiness Karekin II.
 

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Salpy said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B8rnuP-VKA&feature=related

An Armenian hymn sung at the tomb of St. Gregorios in India, during the recent visit of His Holiness Karekin II.
Out of curiosity, the tomb of St. Gregorios is under the protection of the Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church, not the Malankara Syrian Orthodox Church?
 

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So I guess that the Armenians have no problems with using accompanying instruments along with their chanting?

I really have no idea how much of an issue this is in different churches, it just seems unusual to me based of my limited Orthodox experiences.

Can you direct me to any CDs available with Armenian Chant that don't have any accompanying instruments?

Thanks!
 

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Can you direct me to any CDs available with Armenian Chant that don't have any accompanying instruments?
I think using the organ started during the 1920's.

Arevagal in Geghard is one of my favorite CD's of chant with no accompanying instruments.  Below are a few places that sell it:

http://www.abrilbooks.com/music/5261.html

http://www.armenianprelacy.org/bookstore/religious.htm  (third down on the right)

http://www.narek.com/store/product.php?productid=18671&cat=260&bestseller

The last link will let you listen to samples.  I think the very last track has a light organ playing with the singing, but the voices of the children who sing it are so angelic, you don't notice.  :)  The rest of the hymns I think are sung by seminarians.  Track nine is the Trisagion.  The twelveth track, for which the CD is named, has the hymns of the Prime Service.  I love those hymns.  They were written by St. Nerses the Gracefilled.  "Arevakal" means "coming of the sun."  "Arev" is sun, "kal" is coming.
 

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One of the sites describes that the songs were originally used as worship of the sun and were adapted for Christian "Son" worship.  Do you know anything about this?

By the way, thank you for sharing, I will most definitely buy this.

What do you think of this album:

http://www.liturgica.com/cart/musicInfo.jsp?catNo=AK015

Is it also worth buying?
 

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I really don't feel like trudging through the entire thread looking for this or that, so I'll count on some of you.

I really liked Salpy's recommendation for an Armenian Chant CD.  So can anyone recommend some good Coptic, Ethiopian, Syriac, et cetera CDs?  Again, I really hate organs, so anything that is pure chant is appreciated!  Of course I do not mind certain accompanying instruments that are a part of the liturgical tradition (i.e. drums for the Ethiopians or cymbals for the Copts).
 

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I haven't listened to the CD you linked to, so I can't tell you what it's like.

With regard to the Arevakal service, I don't know for sure about the accuracy of the information.  The Narek site that makes that statement is not really a religious site, so who knows who wrote it.  

There is some truth to the statement that the Armenians before Christianity worshiped fire and, I think, even the sun.  I seem to recall being told that in preChristian times, villages would have a person whose job it was to call for the sun right before sunrise.  I seem to recall seeing it in an Armenian movie once, but it was many years ago and I can't recall what the movie was.  

It could be that some of this carried over into Christianity.  It would make some sense, since images of light are often used to describe Christ.  ("I am the Light of the world.")  St. Nerses definitely used images of light and the rising sun in the Prime prayers.  You see this in the English translation of some of those prayers, which I copied in the OO Prayer thread, reply #2:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,13200.msg183101.html#msg183101

I have a story about the Prime prayers.  I love them so much, that I memorized some of them a long time ago in the original Classical Armenian.  About 14 or 15 years ago, there was a strong earthquake that struck in the early hours of the morning.  If I recall correctly, it was 6.9, or thereabouts.  Anyway, my mom was trapped in her bedroom, and it was pretty awful getting her out.  She was alright, but the house was an absolute mess and trying to clean up and evaluate the damage was pretty hard with just flashlights and camping lanterns.  (When you live in Southern California, you always have some of those in the house.  This wasn't our first big earthquake.)  The electricity of course was out, and right after a quake, you can't be sure for a while if you can use the gas or even if the water is OK.  Then, of course, there were lots of pretty strong aftershocks, which came quickly and often.

Anyway, back to the prayers.  It seemed like it was taking forever for the sun to rise, and I was feeling a bit desperate for better light than I could get with something that was battery operated.  I went out onto the back porch to get some air, and while I was out there, I just started whispering some of the Prime prayers.  Of course, that didn't hurry the sunrise or anything.   :)  But it did help me feel God's presence at a time when I needed it.
 

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Alveus Lacuna said:
I really don't feel like trudging through the entire thread looking for this or that, so I'll count on some of you.

I really liked Salpy's recommendation for an Armenian Chant CD.  So can anyone recommend some good Coptic, Ethiopian, Syriac, et cetera CDs?  Again, I really hate organs, so anything that is pure chant is appreciated!  Of course I do not mind certain accompanying instruments that are a part of the liturgical tradition (i.e. drums for the Ethiopians or cymbals for the Copts).
You may want to check out the CD mentioned and linked to at the bottom of page four of this thread:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,9840.msg249970.html#msg249970

It's chant by the monks of St. Antony Monastery, in California:

http://www.stantonymonastery.org/psalmody.asp
 

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I love this mezmur:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF7uGIg1cl4
 

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Some chanting and hymns at a Christmas service in a Syriac Orthodox Church in Aleppo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FKzbyDo6PQ
 

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Two hymns ("sharagan") of the Armenian Church:

The first is the Trisagion.  The second one is sung before the Great Entrance.
 

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My goodness, but I must have been tired when I made the above post.  I forgot to paste the link!

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LyK0LAj61c
 

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Another Armenian hymn.  I'm not familiar with it, but it seems like a special feast day hymn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxmVhJMqR6E&feature=channel
 

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Syriac Orthodox Christmas prayers sung in Aramaic, in Jerusalem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA354kM3fXA
 

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Seminarians singing an Armenian hymn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my6DmORFiA0
 

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Alveus Lacuna said:
I really don't feel like trudging through the entire thread looking for this or that, so I'll count on some of you.

I really liked Salpy's recommendation for an Armenian Chant CD.  So can anyone recommend some good Coptic, Ethiopian, Syriac, et cetera CDs?  Again, I really hate organs, so anything that is pure chant is appreciated!  Of course I do not mind certain accompanying instruments that are a part of the liturgical tradition (i.e. drums for the Ethiopians or cymbals for the Copts).
UNESCO did one on Syriac Chant, but I think it is out of print (or whatever word used when they don't make a CD anymore).
 

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Salpy said:
I haven't listened to the CD you linked to, so I can't tell you what it's like.

With regard to the Arevakal service, I don't know for sure about the accuracy of the information.  The Narek site that makes that statement is not really a religious site, so who knows who wrote it.  

There is some truth to the statement that the Armenians before Christianity worshiped fire and, I think, even the sun.  I seem to recall being told that in preChristian times, villages would have a person whose job it was to call for the sun right before sunrise.  I seem to recall seeing it in an Armenian movie once, but it was many years ago and I can't recall what the movie was.  

It could be that some of this carried over into Christianity.  It would make some sense, since images of light are often used to describe Christ.  ("I am the Light of the world.")  St. Nerses definitely used images of light and the rising sun in the Prime prayers.  You see this in the English translation of some of those prayers, which I copied in the OO Prayer thread, reply #2:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,13200.msg183101.html#msg183101

I have a story about the Prime prayers.  I love them so much, that I memorized some of them a long time ago in the original Classical Armenian.  About 14 or 15 years ago, there was a strong earthquake that struck in the early hours of the morning.  If I recall correctly, it was 6.9, or thereabouts.  Anyway, my mom was trapped in her bedroom, and it was pretty awful getting her out.  She was alright, but the house was an absolute mess and trying to clean up and evaluate the damage was pretty hard with just flashlights and camping lanterns.  (When you live in Southern California, you always have some of those in the house.  This wasn't our first big earthquake.)  The electricity of course was out, and right after a quake, you can't be sure for a while if you can use the gas or even if the water is OK.  Then, of course, there were lots of pretty strong aftershocks, which came quickly and often.

Anyway, back to the prayers.  It seemed like it was taking forever for the sun to rise, and I was feeling a bit desperate for better light than I could get with something that was battery operated.  I went out onto the back porch to get some air, and while I was out there, I just started whispering some of the Prime prayers.  Of course, that didn't hurry the sunrise or anything.   :)  But it did help me feel God's presence at a time when I needed it.
Thanks for the testimonial.  Lovely how when trained in prayer, it just comes.
 

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From a Coptic church in Nairobi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz2BKykU8To&feature=channel_page
 
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I recently recorded a friend of mine chant the Coptic Nativity hymns E-Parthenos and Pijinmisi in English. The file is available for download on my website: click here.
 

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EkhristosAnesti said:
I recently recorded a friend of mine chant the Coptic Nativity hymns E-Parthenos and Pijinmisi in English. The file is available for download on my website: click here.
I am unable to right click to download the files :(
 
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Yeah sorry about that. A friend of mine handles the technical side of things; not sure why right click doesn't work. Nevertheless, a pop-up dialogue giving you the option to save the file to a particular location should open upon clicking the link.
 

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Yeah sorry about that. A friend of mine handles the technical side of things; not sure why right click doesn't work. Nevertheless, a pop-up dialogue giving you the option to save the file to a particular location should open upon clicking the link.
Nah, it just opens another window with the music file playing as opposed to downloading it.
 
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Hmmm...I'll speak to my friend about getting right click enabled once he returns from his short trip. Thanks for pointing out this little glitch.
 

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Awesome Christmas carols:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtghP14OlR0
 

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The chant used in this Indian Orthodox liturgy is lovely:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PERH9s_7nn4&feature=channel
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcKLN4-drww

The above video captures hymns from the Armenian liturgy.  It starts with a hymn sung at the beginning of the great entrance and ends with a hymn sung when the gifts are consecrated.  Unfortunately, the camera is mostly on the choir, rather than the altar.  However, at about 4:40, you see the part where the priest lifts the nushkhar and says, "Take, eat, this is My Body..." and raises the cup and says, "Drink this, all of you.  This is My Blood..."  At the very end, you can kind of see the priest blessing the gifts, as the deacon censes them.
 

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A discussion about deacons in the Armenian Church was split off and put here:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,19286.html#lastPost
 

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This video has some of the Sunrise Service (Arevakal) prayers, which were discussed in replies 206-209, above.  I'm pretty sure this comes from the "Arevagal in Geghart" CD I mentioned in reply 206:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSL-fwC5Oqs

The four prayers which are being sung are translated into English in our OO prayer thread, reply 2:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,13200.msg183101.html#msg183101

You hear each prayer starting with the word "Looys" being sung.  "Looys" means "light."
 

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Again, from the "Arevagal in Geghart" CD I mentioned in reply 206, some more of the Sunrise Service prayers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIxdjpBvM8U&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1tWsPERd2E&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F_cQHo2VcI&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaLMko0Gi8Y&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvKF-O2y-Qo&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYGr9KPo24Y&feature=channel_page


These are posted in the order that they are sung during the service, except that the "Looys" hymns I posted just above a couple of weeks ago should be inserted fifth in order.
 

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I'm not sure where this hymn is from.  It's not in the Arevakal service.  If my Classical Armenian is correct, it means, "Open to us, Lord, the door of Your mercy, so we may cry to you with lamenting."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9C59SqdMRU&feature=channel_page
 

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Salpy said:
I'm not sure where this hymn is from.  It's not in the Arevakal service.  If my Classical Armenian is correct, it means, "Open to us, Lord, the door of Your mercy, so we may cry to you with lamenting."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9C59SqdMRU&feature=channel_page
This is a part of the Lenten service, I think its done on Palm Sunday. This hymn is sung by the priest, who kneels before the alter when the curtain is closed and uses a hammer striking a piece of wood, symbolizing knocking on a door, while singing Batz Mez Der.
 

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So that's where it's from!  I love that service.  It is always so nice to look upon the altar again after so many weeks of the curtain being closed.  Thanks for the info.   :)

This Palm Sunday service is mentioned in reply #1 of the following thread about OO Churches and Lent:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,11249.msg152436.html#msg152436
 

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The Nicene Creed, chanted in Classical Armenian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou1tln1Kb0s&feature=related
 

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Salpy said:
The chant used in this Indian Orthodox liturgy is lovely:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PERH9s_7nn4&feature=channel

This video is indeed lovely... I also like part 1. 
In fact, I like the chant in part 1 so much that several months ago I decided to use a short part of the chant on my website homepage.  :)
(http://www.orthodoxmysteries.com)

Here is the part of the video I used:
Mar Beshanania Orthodox Church Vanchithra

 

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This is a litany, sung during the Armenian liturgy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmWf5p5Ry6U&feature=channel
 
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