vamrat said:No other factors being considered, supposing two people screw and do all the steps necessary that would under any circumstance result in pregnancy, at which point would you consider the resulting mass of cells to be a human life?orthonorm said:In light these words, I can't help but recall Bill Hicks' (RIP) famous remark about the subject (paraphrased):vamrat said:I will withhold my own opinion on the matter because I'd be interested in what you have to say without my own opinion being called into question without knowing what page you are on first.
I used to rip the guy off all the time when I was seriously playing with Tollhouse 23. People would be dismayed by my smoking in bars (this is a feat given how much I was drinking that their concern would turn toward my smoking).You're not a person till your name turns up in the phone book.
They would always ask: how many do you smoke a day?
I would answer: I am up to a two lighter a day habit.
Maybe I get to your question in earnest later. Maybe suggest another one. After all, one of the interesting traditional dichotomies which fell away some time ago from a strictly empirical basis is the difference between that which is alive and that which isn't.
The advent of the literature undead and all its fictional imaginings and its steady increase has more than a little to say on the matter.
In short, I could give you many answers. I just don't know if this is the proper question upon the question of abortion hangs much less the use of oral contraception.
In a strictly existential sense, I could use the old quip to the question is there life after death?
I am still waiting to see if there is life before.
orthonorm said:Start in a new thread non-religious topics for a couple of reasons:
So that the unsubstantiated remarks by Kerdy, Gebre, and company linking oral contraception to abortion and thus murder do not get buried.
Those having views non-religious can add to the discussion.
And those having manifold views including the religious can answer without the restrictions placed on them without too much of the piety police conflating such views with views regarding abortion.
It would allow a more concentrated debate, if that is possible.