And Italianate pronouncers consider those Romans to be dead.Amatorus said:I was expecting thisa kind of response. This is fallacious because this line of thinking quickly devolves into relativism and eventually nihilism. Why fetishize language at all? It's just disgusting sounds made by the flapping of our bacteria-covered, mushy organs making contact with tissue and exposed skeletal fringes, and the expansion and contracting of vocal chords. Actions are more important, and even that's relative when we all die in the end.Cavaradossi said:See, this is something that I will never understand about people who think themselves to love the classics. They have this idiotic tendency to fetishize the reconstruction of how a language might have sounded at one point in its development and from there claim that any living tradition for the recitation of that language must be "wrong". The Italianate reading of Latin is no more "wrong" for having palatized 'c' to 'ch' before 'i' and 'e', for example, than Classical Latin is "wrong" for having merged the 'ei' diphthong of Old Latin with long i. Was Cicero "wrong" in that he pronounced the Old Latin "duenos" as "bonus" or the Old Latin "honosis" (likely pronounced as honozis) as "honoris"? Was Caesar "wrong" for having pronounced neuter nouns like "saxom" as "saxum" and masculines like "filios" as "filius" or for having used an innovative plural genitive ending in the second declension by analogy to the first declension (such that the original "saxom" and "filiom" became "saxorum" and "filiorum")? Or perhaps, the reverse is true? Perhaps the Old Latins were "wrong" for not having changed their language into Classical Latin yet? Better yet, why even bother at all with Latin? Why not just fetishize reconstructed Proto-Indo-European and insist that anybody who doesn't pronounce "filius" as "dʰeh₁y-li-os" is saying it wrong?Amatorus said:I said everything is wrong, and the Classical pronunciation actually makes sense. Venny Veedee Veechee sounds wrong.Cavaradossi said:
There needs to be a point for standards to be firmly planted, or the foundation will crumble and everything slides into aq vacuum ending in meaninglessness. Classical pronunciation coincides with the Golden Age of the Romans; just like formal settings prefer a higher, sometimes dated standard of English compared to "YOLO swag blaze it tho my points be on fleek". The Romans would consider Italianate pronunciation to be barbarian.