The equivalent Orthodox feast of the RC Assumption is the Dormition of the Mother of God. Even a cursory look at the hymns of this feast will show that the Mother of God did die, and that she was miraculously and mysteriously translated to heaven.While many Orthodox do believe that Mary did not die but went directly to heaven, this belief isn't required by the church and there isn't a church holiday celebrating this event.
The Orthodox Church does not have a definitive teaching on the absolute sinlessness of the Mother of God prior to the Annunciation. What is definitive in this regard is found in the hymns for the feast of the Annunciation.However, the Orthodox do share a belief with Catholics that Mary lived a sinless life.
It does.wgw said:On another note LBK many of the Oriental Orthodox churches do celebrate August the 15th as "the Assumption" but unfortunately I can't say whether their doctrine matches Eastern doctrine...
Never heard that one before. It's more likely they simply adopted the word "Assumption" in English and other Western languages as a translation for the Syriac word, which encompasses the notions of "departure" and "translation".I did read somewhere that in the 1950s a Syriac patriarch implemented the dogma of the Assumption but I'm not entirely sure if I believe it.
Sure we can. God doesn't have chromosomes and He had to pick one or the other gender to Incarnate as.But we can in no sense admit a female aspect to the Trinity,
Yeah, it only popped up in some RC circles at all because Municifentismus Deus is worded ambiguously, "having completed the course of her earthly life..."CarolS said:I have never heard it said in the Orthodox Church that the Mother of God did not die. Indeed in the Icons of the Dormition we see Christ holding her holy soul which he took directly into Heaven, while her body yet remained for a short while on earth while the Apostles mourned and sang hymns over her. Isn't this the definition of death - the separation of the soul from the body?
Also, as was previously mentioned, this is attested to in the services for the August 15 Feast:
"She surrendereth her most holy soul into the hands of her Son today." - sticheron at the Litia
"O ye Apostles from afar, being now gathered together here in the vale of Gethsemane, give burial to my body; and Thou, O my Son and my God, receive Thou my spirit." - Exapostilarion
"Thy death became a passage to an everlasting and better life, O pure one, " - Matins Canon, Ode 4
In most parts of the service, her death is called a passing, a translation from death to life because that is the focus - the passing on to eternal life in heaven. It is compared to sleep because her death was peaceful, so the feast is correctly called the Falling Asleep of the Mother of God, or Dormition. There was no wrenching agony of her soul separating from the body. But certainly one could not believe that all the gathered apostles were tricked with an illusion and she was only sleeping and they subsequently buried her alive?
So Sts. Joachim and Anna conceived her in sin? Her not being conceived in sin (in the sense the act of lovemaking between the two Saints was unmarked by lust, etc.) makes more sense than her being sinless. Christ died for everyone but his mother?CarolS said:I don't know much about Roman Catholic teaching, but if one believes that she was immaculately created without original sin, then wouldn't death be impossible? It seems that the distortions of doctrine just lead to more inconsistencies.
Death still comes because material creation has fallen (Romans 8:20).CarolS said:I don't know much about Roman Catholic teaching, but if one believes that she was immaculately created without original sin, then wouldn't death be impossible? It seems that the distortions of doctrine just lead to more inconsistencies.
They do indeed. Error begas error. That's why you see me talking about Gnosticism in this thread; make Mary coequal to Christ and Christ ceases to be consubstantial with humanity, and et voila, the two of them become a Gnostic syzygy or male-female emanation, and we've just thrown the work of St. Irenaeus and indeed Ss. Peter and John the Evangelist and the other Apostle's straight out the window.CarolS said:I don't know much about Roman Catholic teaching, but if one believes that she was immaculately created without original sin, then wouldn't death be impossible? It seems that the distortions of doctrine just lead to more inconsistencies.