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Patriarch Kirill has proposed a Pan-Orthodox Council on Mount Athos

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According to Volkov, the first hierarch in his speech suggested the possibility of a Pan-Orthodox Cathedral on Mount Athos - "because, among other things, a very important symbolic of the Holy Mountain of importance for the world of Orthodoxy."
http://en.cyplive.com/ru/news/patriarh-kirill-predlozhil-provesti-vsepravoslavnyy-sobor-na-afone.html

This doesn't seem to be the most immediately trustworthy source, so I await further verification. Romfea has some information in Greek on what Patriarch Kirill said--as to the issue of location, it only mentions that there was extensive debate. Here is the article in question, google translate may help:

http://www.romfea.gr/epikairotita-xronika/6067-ti-eipe-o-patriarxis-mosxas-sti-sunaji-ton-prokathimenon
 

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Title says council but your quote says Cathedral. So which is it?

In any case, a council at Mount Athos is a terrible idea and most likely not possible any way. Mount Athos is a monastic community not an exhibition center. In addition to hundreds of bishops that will be present, you have secretaries and other support staff and the public who will accompany them. Where on Mount Athos could you house such a crowd? What would it do to the live of the monks? No, I doubt it was even suggested by the Patriarch.

A quick word search on the text in the second link does not even mention Mount Athos...
 

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Does anyone have any idea whether any Russian Patriarch ever visited Africa, Ethiopia, in particular? I know no Russian/Soviet leader never ever made a visit to Ethiopia.
 

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Why is this a problem?
It would kindda give the monks direct access to the discussions. That's beneficial, right?
 

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vorgos said:
Title says council but your quote says Cathedral. So which is it?

In any case, a council at Mount Athos is a terrible idea and most likely not possible any way. Mount Athos is a monastic community not an exhibition center. In addition to hundreds of bishops that will be present, you have secretaries and other support staff and the public who will accompany them. Where on Mount Athos could you house such a crowd? What would it do to the live of the monks? No, I doubt it was even suggested by the Patriarch.

A quick word search on the text in the second link does not even mention Mount Athos...
Plus entertainment venues must be scarce on Athis,  after those long, pointless discussions on the technicalities of fasting .
 

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Svartzorn said:
Why is this a problem?
It would kindda give the monks direct access to the discussions. That's beneficial, right?
If lay participation in synods is a good thing, sure, involve the monks.  But don't stop there.  ;)
 

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vorgos said:
Title says council but your quote says Cathedral. So which is it?

In any case, a council at Mount Athos is a terrible idea and most likely not possible any way. Mount Athos is a monastic community not an exhibition center. In addition to hundreds of bishops that will be present, you have secretaries and other support staff and the public who will accompany them. Where on Mount Athos could you house such a crowd? What would it do to the live of the monks? No, I doubt it was even suggested by the Patriarch.

A quick word search on the text in the second link does not even mention Mount Athos...
Well I suppose this provides a compelling reason to build a luxury hotel and convention center in Karyes.  The Athonite Hilton, or perhaps in a nod to the 1960s drama film Hotel, the Hotel St. Gregory Palamas.

/ducks  :p
 

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I think this is a great idea. They should include the topic of "women's roles in the Church" to the discussion.  It would be fun to see a bunch of unmarried bishops and monks who haven't seen women in decades have such a talk.  :p
 

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Shall I just go ahead and move this to Free-For-All so you can continue to have the 'Cutest Reply Contest,' or would you all like to return to the original topic?

- Father Giryus, General Fora Moderator
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Dear Lord Buzzkill--Please do.
 

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Antonis said:
According to Volkov, the first hierarch in his speech suggested the possibility of a Pan-Orthodox Cathedral on Mount Athos - "because, among other things, a very important symbolic of the Holy Mountain of importance for the world of Orthodoxy."
http://en.cyplive.com/ru/news/patriarh-kirill-predlozhil-provesti-vsepravoslavnyy-sobor-na-afone.html

This doesn't seem to be the most immediately trustworthy source, so I await further verification. Romfea has some information in Greek on what Patriarch Kirill said--as to the issue of location, it only mentions that there was extensive debate. Here is the article in question, google translate may help:

http://www.romfea.gr/epikairotita-xronika/6067-ti-eipe-o-patriarxis-mosxas-sti-sunaji-ton-prokathimenon
This is old news. The site for the Pan Orthodox Council has already been moved to Crete.
 

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A fella wishes to focus on prayer life for the world and now the world, even in the 'form of religion', comes crashing in?
I don't think so.

Should be moved because we are so "cute".
Also per 2006 & 2013 kerfuffle, which is derivates to a 1971 meeting and in spite of the Cannon that clergy are forbidden to strike.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imiaslavie
Hallowed Be Thy Name: The Name-Glorifying Dispute in the Russian Orthodox Church and on Mt. Athos, 1912-1914

 

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In the words of the Genie In A Bottle, "Your wish is my command!"

Have fun everybody!

- Father Giryus, General Fora Moderator
  (a.k.a. Lord Buzzkill)
 

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Well, if that is the case, I wish for a million dollars!


And a 100 more wishes.
 

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Unverifiable, so irrelevant
and now the truth comes out....this is clearly a photo of the Patriarch scouting council locations...


 

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TheTrisagion said:
Well, if that is the case, I wish for a million dollars!


And a 100 more wishes.
Not in my forum, so your wishes won't work with me anymore.

 

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Mor Ephrem said:
Svartzorn said:
Why is this a problem?
It would kindda give the monks direct access to the discussions. That's beneficial, right?
If lay participation in synods is a good thing, sure, involve the monks.  But don't stop there.  ;)
Hopefully the monks/communities against OO reunification will fold their arms across their chests and sit home, refusing to go, like good, anathematizing traditionalists.
Can we say..........OUTVOTED??!!! 
Later: "You all! Get off this Mountain! The Holy Theotokos says you stink!!! Go take your baths in the Waters of Regeneration."  ;D
 

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Sounds like Florence.
 

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It was decided the council will take place on Creete.

Balthasar said:
Does anyone have any idea whether any Russian Patriarch ever visited Africa, Ethiopia, in particular? I know no Russian/Soviet leader never ever made a visit to Ethiopia.
He visitted the Church of Alexandria once or twice as a patriarch. And as he used to be a MP foreign minnister one can be pretty sure he had travelled to Africa a few more times.

Seraffa said:
Hopefully the monks/communities against OO reunification will fold their arms across their chests and sit home, refusing to go, like good, anathematizing traditionalists.
No reunification with the Orientals will be discussed at the Council.
 

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FatherGiryus said:
TheTrisagion said:
Well, if that is the case, I wish for a million dollars!


And a 100 more wishes.
Not in my forum, so your wishes won't work with me anymore.

Well, there went my plans for OCNet to produce "I Dream of Fr. Giryus" once we've finished with Laurus...

~

On a more serious note,

If one encountered a daemon masquerading as a djinn, would the best course of action be to make the sign of the cross amd say the Jesus Prayer?
 

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wgw said:
FatherGiryus said:
TheTrisagion said:
Well, if that is the case, I wish for a million dollars!


And a 100 more wishes.
Not in my forum, so your wishes won't work with me anymore.

Well, there went my plans for OCNet to produce "I Dream of Fr. Giryus" once we've finished with Laurus...

~

On a more serious note,

If one encountered a daemon masquerading as a djinn, would the best course of action be to make the sign of the cross amd say the Jesus Prayer?
Holy Water helps to.  Lots of Holy Water.
 

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It might be the Patriarch but he doesn't properly address any of my issues.
 

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FatherGiryus said:
wgw said:
FatherGiryus said:
TheTrisagion said:
Well, if that is the case, I wish for a million dollars!


And a 100 more wishes.
Not in my forum, so your wishes won't work with me anymore.

Well, there went my plans for OCNet to produce "I Dream of Fr. Giryus" once we've finished with Laurus...

~

On a more serious note,

If one encountered a daemon masquerading as a djinn, would the best course of action be to make the sign of the cross amd say the Jesus Prayer?
Holy Water helps to.  Lots of Holy Water.
Are squirt guns canonical?  :p

~

On a more serious note, I do very much believe in the efficacy of artoklasia.  I find for whatever reason it has a soothing quality; it seems to taste better.  This might sound carnal or simplistic, but for whatever reason I have always perceived something unique about the Eucharist, the blessed bread and so on, which os of course at its most intense in the Eucharist, but which is certainly in the artoklasia.  Given the sense of an unquenchable thirst being quenched which holy water provides, it does not surprise me that it would put demons to flight.
 

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DeniseDenise said:
and now the truth comes out....this is clearly a photo of the Patriarch scouting council locations...


That's a great photo.  I love it.  :D
 

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biro said:
WPM said:
It might be the Patriarch but he doesn't properly address any of my issues.
What would you like him to talk about?
Hello?  Are you there  WPM?

He's just a man, after all. He can't possibly address each one of us as individuals. 

I know God can and does address each one of us though. 
 

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Sorry, I don't want to make a thread dedicated only to one simple question, but does anyone know specifically which city in Crete the meeting is set to take place? Crete is Greece's biggest island, so it's not like if they said "the meeting is to take place on the island of Spetses" in which case Spetses island means Spetses town. Chania has 91,066 people, Rethymno has 85,609, and the capital of Crete, Iraklion, has 140,730.

I'm just having a hard time picturing all the bishops of the Orthodox world flocking to the Chania Hilton, some gaudy tourist-joint, or splitting Air BNB's amongst themselves. Iraklion's cathedral is super historic (although it's quite large), Rethymnon doesn't have much of anything, and Chania's cathedral, while a personal favorite of mine, might not be well received because it looks like it was ripped out of a California mission town. There's just nothing like Ayia Eirene in either of the island's three biggest cities.
 

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KostaC said:
I'm just having a hard time picturing all the bishops of the Orthodox world flocking to the Chania Hilton, some gaudy tourist-joint, or splitting Air BNB's amongst themselves. Iraklion's cathedral is super historic (although it's quite large), Rethymnon doesn't have much of anything, and Chania's cathedral, while a personal favorite of mine, might not be well received because it looks like it was ripped out of a California mission town. There's just nothing like Ayia Eirene in either of the island's three biggest cities.
Not all. IIRC each of the 14 Churches is allowed to bring no more than 15 bishops and some staff memers.
 

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KostaC said:
Sorry, I don't want to make a thread dedicated only to one simple question, but does anyone know specifically which city in Crete the meeting is set to take place? Crete is Greece's biggest island, so it's not like if they said "the meeting is to take place on the island of Spetses" in which case Spetses island means Spetses town. Chania has 91,066 people, Rethymno has 85,609, and the capital of Crete, Iraklion, has 140,730.

I'm just having a hard time picturing all the bishops of the Orthodox world flocking to the Chania Hilton, some gaudy tourist-joint, or splitting Air BNB's amongst themselves. Iraklion's cathedral is super historic (although it's quite large), Rethymnon doesn't have much of anything, and Chania's cathedral, while a personal favorite of mine, might not be well received because it looks like it was ripped out of a California mission town. There's just nothing like Ayia Eirene in either of the island's three biggest cities.
http://www.oac.gr/en/contact-us/location-access/
 

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KostaC said:
Sorry, I don't want to make a thread dedicated only to one simple question, but does anyone know specifically which city in Crete the meeting is set to take place? Crete is Greece's biggest island, so it's not like if they said "the meeting is to take place on the island of Spetses" in which case Spetses island means Spetses town. Chania has 91,066 people, Rethymno has 85,609, and the capital of Crete, Iraklion, has 140,730.

I'm just having a hard time picturing all the bishops of the Orthodox world flocking to the Chania Hilton, some gaudy tourist-joint, or splitting Air BNB's amongst themselves. Iraklion's cathedral is super historic (although it's quite large), Rethymnon doesn't have much of anything, and Chania's cathedral, while a personal favorite of mine, might not be well received because it looks like it was ripped out of a California mission town. There's just nothing like Ayia Eirene in either of the island's three biggest cities.
Isn't there a nice labyrinth with a minotaur in it somewhere? I think it would be an ideal setting to foster the spirit of cooperation.
 

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biro said:
WPM said:
It might be the Patriarch but he doesn't properly address any of my issues.
What would you like him to talk about?
They don't address fundamental issues like transportation or money.
 

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Velsigne said:
biro said:
WPM said:
It might be the Patriarch but he doesn't properly address any of my issues.
What would you like him to talk about?
Hello?  Are you there  WPM?

He's just a man, after all. He can't possibly address each one of us as individuals. 

I know God can and does address each one of us though.
Yes, here.
 

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WPM said:
biro said:
WPM said:
It might be the Patriarch but he doesn't properly address any of my issues.
What would you like him to talk about?
They don't address fundamental issues like transportation or money.
Maybe that could be addressed by your local priest. Have you spoken with him?  :)
 

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mike said:
Not all. IIRC each of the 14 Churches is allowed to bring no more than 15 bishops and some staff memers.
Ah, that makes sense. I doubt every bishop in the world could even make it to this meeting, anyway.

LenInSebastopol said:
http://www.oac.gr/en/contact-us/location-access/
Thank you. Chania in my opinion is the nicest of the three cities (although I've barely spent time in Rethymno); they made a good choice.

Iconodule said:
Isn't there a nice labyrinth with a minotaur in it somewhere? I think it would be an ideal setting to foster the spirit of cooperation.
Ha, that'd make a nice team-building exercise, for the Brothers-in-Christ to figure out a way out of the labyrinth before the minotaur could get to them.
 
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