Pictures of Western Icons?

[Iconodule]

As Sts Cyril and Methodius found in Moravia, translating the liturgy into local vernaculars was a point of controversy in the West. The prevailing attitude in Rome was that there were a few sacred languages- Hebrew, Greek, Latin (maybe Syriac too?) and that was it. Pope Nicholas seemed to have gone against the grain in supporting their Slavic liturgy, against the wishes of Latin clergy in the region, and his successor Stephen V overturned this support. 

 

[Alpo]

One could post anything in St. Isaac's church in St. Petersburg in this thread.

 

[MalpanaGiwargis]

As Sts Cyril and Methodius found in Moravia, translating the liturgy into local vernaculars was a point of controversy in the West. The prevailing attitude in Rome was that there were a few sacred languages- Hebrew, Greek, Latin (maybe Syriac too?) and that was it. Pope Nicholas seemed to have gone against the grain in supporting their Slavic liturgy, against the wishes of Latin clergy in the region, and his successor Stephen V overturned this support.

I think the idea was that only the three languages written on the titulus on Christ's Cross were considered sacred. Hebrew/Syriac-Aramaic were not always clearly distinguished in the West.

 

[Volnutt]

So, I guess they just wrote off the Armenians, Georgians, and Ethiopians as heretics (and forgot that the Malankara existed)?

 

[Dominika]

One could post anything in St. Isaac's church in St. Petersburg in this thread.

Plus of many other churches that were built in that period in Russia(including Polish territorries too, as we were under Russian occupation)

 

[LivenotoneviL]

Entrance into Jerusalem from the Vita Christi (Life of Christ)

 

[LivenotoneviL]

Christ Enthroned from Vita Christi (Life of Christ)

 

[LivenotoneviL]

Saint Michael from 13th century German manuscript

 

[Jackson02]

Mosaic of Christ in Santa Prassede Rome:

Pope Paschal was alive in this mosaic as well! as referenced by the square halo.

 

[Jackson02]

Christ represented as a Roman solider:

 

[LivenotoneviL]

Christ represented as a Roman solider:

This gives more credence to the idea the beardless Christ was supposed to equivocate Christ to the Roman Enperor, as the beardlessness represents the divinity of the Emperor.

 

[NicholasMyra]

Christ represented as a Roman solider:

This gives more credence to the idea the beardless Christ was supposed to equivocate Christ to the Roman Enperor, as the beardlessness represents the divinity of the Emperor.

beardlessness represented divinity in general

 

[LivenotoneviL]

Mosaic of Christ in Santa Prassede Rome:

Pope Paschal was alive in this mosaic as well! as referenced by the square halo.

Pretty!

 

[Jackson02]

Christ represented as a Roman solider:

This gives more credence to the idea the beardless Christ was supposed to equivocate Christ to the Roman Enperor, as the beardlessness represents the divinity of the Emperor.

beardlessness represented divinity in general

Wasn't one of the issues with the Arians how they portrayed Christ beardless?

 

[Jackson02]

Mosaic of Christ in Santa Prassede Rome:

Pope Paschal was alive in this mosaic as well! as referenced by the square halo.

Pretty!

Isn't it? 

 

[Jackson02]

Hinton St. Mary mosaic from Roman-Britain

 

[Jackson02]

Here's the full mosaic:

 

[Volnutt]

Christ represented as a Roman solider:

This gives more credence to the idea the beardless Christ was supposed to equivocate Christ to the Roman Enperor, as the beardlessness represents the divinity of the Emperor.

beardlessness represented divinity in general

The way I always heard it was that beardlessness meant He was alive and ever-young.

 

[Jackson02]

Christ surrounded by angels in Santa Prassede:

 

[Jackson02]

Christ as the Lamb of God above bishop Theodora! 

 

[LivenotoneviL]

Christ as the Lamb of God above bishop Theodora! 

Bishop Theodora 

 

[Jackson02]

Christ as the Lamb of God above bishop Theodora! 

Bishop Theodora 

It’s a reference to a women’s ordination video. In it, they claim that the headscarf she’s wearing implies an episcopal rank. It’s a good laugh!

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WTs3rhaZKw

 

[Jackson02]

CHRIST IS RISEN!

Mosaic from Rome.

 

[LivenotoneviL]

 

[Volnutt]

 

[Jackson02]

This looks like it has a bit of Byzantine influence in it. Either way I like it.

 

[Justin Kolodziej]

Really interesting, thanks! I always wondered why so much non-liturgical Anglo-Saxon (and Old Irish) didn't lead to a translation of the liturgy from Latin. Did the bishops/Pope block it or did the people not want it?

Apparently much of the "Rituale ecclesiæ Dunelmensis", a pre-schism missal from Durham, is also translated into Anglo-Saxon, but it's impossible to know which language the prayers were read in. My guess is that even if the English of the time was being used liturgically, the Norman Invasion put an end to that sort of thing.

 

[Volnutt]

Really interesting, thanks! I always wondered why so much non-liturgical Anglo-Saxon (and Old Irish) didn't lead to a translation of the liturgy from Latin. Did the bishops/Pope block it or did the people not want it?

Apparently much of the "Rituale ecclesiæ Dunelmensis", a pre-schism missal from Durham, is also translated into Anglo-Saxon, but it's impossible to know which language the prayers were read in. My guess is that even if the English of the time was being used liturgically, the Norman Invasion put an end to that sort of thing.

Huh. Thanks.

Yeah, I'm sure the Norman Conquest had a huge influence.

 

[LivenotoneviL]

Fresco of Saint Benedict and the Crow

 

[Jackson02]

Fresco of Saint Benedict and the Crow

Interesing one of the monks has a beard. As I recall one criticism from Rome during the Great Schism was the monks from the east having long hair and beards.

 

[LivenotoneviL]

King David playing on the Harp from the Westminster Psalter, 1200

 

[Jackson02]

The Virgin Mary punching Satan in the face from the 13th century: "The DeBrailes of hours"

 

[Jackson02]

Mosaic of Pope St. Linus:

 

[Jackson02]

Fixed!

 

[Jackson02]

 

[LivenotoneviL]

Isn't this Thomas Aquinas?

 

[Jackson02]

Isn't this Thomas Aquinas?

I have no idea how painted this, I just thought it look nice.

 

[Asteriktos]

I'm rocking the same hair style atm, though not by choice...

 

[Volnutt]

Isn't this Thomas Aquinas?

Dominic, I think.

 

[Jackson02]

I'm rocking the same hair style atm, though not by choice...

Is your tonsure as perfect as the one shown mosaic?