Protestantism as a whole is offensive. It's offensive to the 2000 year experience of billions of believers in Christ who knew nothing of Martin Luther's conception of Christianity.
Dude... calm down.Diego said:
Thank you. Again, reading works wonders. I know you've never done it, but it wouldn't hurt to try at least, would it?Diego said:
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_31101999_cath-luth-joint-declaration_en.htmlAlpo said:
My bad. Apparently Ratzinger stopped the original decleration which led into some further discussions and modifications on the decleration after which was accepted.xOrthodox4Christx said:
There should be a Cardinal Humbert Award. The Vatican could posthumously award people like Henry VIII of ENgland, John Huss, Ulrich Zwingli, John Calvin, Nestorius, Arius, Sabellius, and yes, even Martin Luther for splintering Christianity.benjohn146 said:What else to expect from the organization that splintered from Christianity almost a 1000 years ago. I am surprised that Cardinal Humbert doesn't get the same honors!
We refer to popes, even ex-popes, by their proper titles here on OC.net. He is referred to properly and correctly as Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI.Alpo said:
Would have used that if I was speaking of the time when he was already a Pope. I should have used Cardinal Ratzinger instead of just a surnane.scamandrius said:
That's why I would call him Antipope Francis, but apparently we cannot reject the Pope's legitimacy on this forum without breaking the forum rules. So, I tried to keep quiet... tried to. Whatever your opinion is on Pope Francis, it's clear that he's interested only in his vague 'Christian Unity' nonsense, and nothing much else. He'll do anything to get other people to come into communion with Rome.Ilyin said:
If they can canonize "Saint" Mother Theresa, "Saint" John Paul II, "Saint" Thomas More and if they can canonize an anti-Chalcedonian Saint Gregory of Narek, then they pretty much can do anything.scamandrius said:There should be a Cardinal Humbert Award. The Vatican could posthumously award people like Henry VIII of ENgland, John Huss, Ulrich Zwingli, John Calvin, Nestorius, Arius, Sabellius, and yes, even Martin Luther for splintering Christianity.benjohn146 said:What else to expect from the organization that splintered from Christianity almost a 1000 years ago. I am surprised that Cardinal Humbert doesn't get the same honors!
For a guy who says he's no longer religious, you're sure religious.xOrthodox4Christx said:
Even as an atheist, I can identify the absurdity of the Protestant and Roman Catholic Churches. Those criticisms are independent of my specific religious standing.biro said:
))I think he should be referred to as the Cardinal formerly known as Pope Benedict. :laugh:scamandrius said:
1. I'm not sure that's an accurate interpretation of the forum rules.xOrthodox4Christx said:
Even more "never been heard of before in the Catholic church" is the title "Cardinal bishop emeritus of Rome". "Pope Emeritus" at least makes some sense.servulus said:
Can you be "Bishop of Rome" without being "Pope"? Anyway, it was the "Cardinal bishop" part that was especially egregious.servulus said:
Except that Pope Emeritus Benedict is not a Cardinal. He stopped being a Cardinal when he was elected Pope. It would be like, then, a man being elevated from Associate Professor to Professor, and subsequently retiring, being termed an Associate Professor Emeritus.servulus said:
I see what you mean. However, a bishop emeritus is still a bishop and can still act as a bishop. Pope Benedict is no longer a pope and can't do pope things. This has caused some confusion as to what his current role is. Archbishop Ganswein has caused a stir with suggesting that Pope Benedict didn't intend to resign the entire papacy. If this were true there would be a kind of duel papacy.JamesRottnek said:
Still inaccurate. Pope Emeritus is the best option.servulus said:
Depends on what you mean by "can still act as a bishop". He can't exercise jurisdiction, but he can still perform sacramental ministries (e.g., ordinations, confirmations, consecration of churches, etc.) as long as he has permission to do so.servulus said:
Absolutely. Especially because, regardless of how a handful might try to portray him, there's some evidence (chiefly an Italian journalist who claims Pope E. Benedict told them this) that the Pope E. wanted to be referred to just as 'Father Ratzinger."Mor Ephrem said:
I disagree. I think if you read Roman Catholic canon law, he's illegitimate according to that canon law. He's most certainly illegitimate according to Orthodox canons.Mor Ephrem said:
As far as I know there are know bishops who reject that he is pope. Even his opponents. If the entire hierarchy accepts that he is the bishop of Rome then he is.xOrthodox4Christx said:
