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I'm not in a good spiritual position to give authoritative opinions, but as someone who was born and raised Catholic, went through a deep Orthodox phase and then Trad Cat phase and then back to Orthodox phase - this update has firmly killed, in my mind, the possibility of the Papacy being the exclusive Church Jesus Christ founded.
This whole thing is quite frankly absurd, emotions and politics aside. I have no subjective emotional attachment to Russia, Ukraine, or the ecclesial geopolitics - I'm a Western European mutt with some Western Slavic in me, there is no real attachment for me.
The Fatima apparitions occurred in 1917. The "Secrets" were public during the Pontificate of Pope Pius XII, at least 20 years later, maybe 30.
Here's the context of the Roman Catholic Church in the 1930s:
1. The Church was doctrinally teaching:
a. The best form of government is Monarchy
b. The Separation of Church and State is a mistake
c. Roman Catholicism is the exclusive truth, all those outside the Church - who embrace heretical beliefs - will go to hell for their infidelity
d. Traditional moral, family values - particularly traditional gender roles - is preferable
2. Russia was the Soviet Union, who
a. Was just beginning to spread it's geopolitical sphere of influence, something the West feared even in 1917: even attempting to overthrow Germany and make it communist
b. Believed
1. That traditional gender roles are evil and need to be updated
2. That the Church should be suppressed
3. Morality needs to be revised and be made more egalitarian
4. Science should prevail
5. Hierarchy needs to dissipate through social engineering
It is more than 80 years later, and the geopolitical situation has drastically changed.
The Soviet Union is dead. Communism - at least in the form it existed back then - is dead. There are no more "workers' revolutions". The West won the Cold War.
At an institutional level (not social or mass level), Russia literally - literally - teaches and endorses ideas that are far, far more in line with traditional Catholic doctrine as it existed in the 1930s.
Putin as a monarch, head of the state. Very little separation of Church and State. Yhe Russian Orthodox Church has an institutional role for Russia in teaching proper moral values and culture. Putin has endorsed traditional family values, the dude larps as a hypermasculine James Bond villain and gives rewards to women who give birth to a lot of children.
Ironically, this is in contrast to the West, who at an institutional level have embraced a Pseudo-Marxist conception of "equality" as the ideological end all, except with "identity groups" instead of "class" - oppressor vs. oppressee rather than bourgeoise vs. proletariat.
So, pray tell, what "errors" is the Fatima Consecration supposed to fix? Is it the "heresy" of Russian Orthodoxy? That contradicts Ecumenism and St. Pope John Paul II's ideas of Fatima. And unironically Russian Orthodoxy is far more ideologically allied with Traditional Roman Catholic conceptions than the post-Christian West today. Is it their military aggression? That's not really a spread of "errors" across the world in any way that's similar to the 1930s.
The unambiguous subtext of this "consecration", however, is that Pope Francis is implying that Russia is "spreading its errors" today which is why it needs a new "Fatima" consecration.
The fact that the Roman Catholic population has eaten this garbage up without giving it the slightest intellectual scanning is insane, and the fact that there are no voices questioning this demonstrates it's an institution void of any remaining intellectual honesty or integrity. It's purely emotional and passion based.
None of this should be construed, by the way, of me endorsing anything (my opinions on life and morality have drastically changed - for the better). I'm just pointing out an obvious inconsistency.
This whole thing is quite frankly absurd, emotions and politics aside. I have no subjective emotional attachment to Russia, Ukraine, or the ecclesial geopolitics - I'm a Western European mutt with some Western Slavic in me, there is no real attachment for me.
The Fatima apparitions occurred in 1917. The "Secrets" were public during the Pontificate of Pope Pius XII, at least 20 years later, maybe 30.
Here's the context of the Roman Catholic Church in the 1930s:
1. The Church was doctrinally teaching:
a. The best form of government is Monarchy
b. The Separation of Church and State is a mistake
c. Roman Catholicism is the exclusive truth, all those outside the Church - who embrace heretical beliefs - will go to hell for their infidelity
d. Traditional moral, family values - particularly traditional gender roles - is preferable
2. Russia was the Soviet Union, who
a. Was just beginning to spread it's geopolitical sphere of influence, something the West feared even in 1917: even attempting to overthrow Germany and make it communist
b. Believed
1. That traditional gender roles are evil and need to be updated
2. That the Church should be suppressed
3. Morality needs to be revised and be made more egalitarian
4. Science should prevail
5. Hierarchy needs to dissipate through social engineering
It is more than 80 years later, and the geopolitical situation has drastically changed.
The Soviet Union is dead. Communism - at least in the form it existed back then - is dead. There are no more "workers' revolutions". The West won the Cold War.
At an institutional level (not social or mass level), Russia literally - literally - teaches and endorses ideas that are far, far more in line with traditional Catholic doctrine as it existed in the 1930s.
Putin as a monarch, head of the state. Very little separation of Church and State. Yhe Russian Orthodox Church has an institutional role for Russia in teaching proper moral values and culture. Putin has endorsed traditional family values, the dude larps as a hypermasculine James Bond villain and gives rewards to women who give birth to a lot of children.
Ironically, this is in contrast to the West, who at an institutional level have embraced a Pseudo-Marxist conception of "equality" as the ideological end all, except with "identity groups" instead of "class" - oppressor vs. oppressee rather than bourgeoise vs. proletariat.
So, pray tell, what "errors" is the Fatima Consecration supposed to fix? Is it the "heresy" of Russian Orthodoxy? That contradicts Ecumenism and St. Pope John Paul II's ideas of Fatima. And unironically Russian Orthodoxy is far more ideologically allied with Traditional Roman Catholic conceptions than the post-Christian West today. Is it their military aggression? That's not really a spread of "errors" across the world in any way that's similar to the 1930s.
The unambiguous subtext of this "consecration", however, is that Pope Francis is implying that Russia is "spreading its errors" today which is why it needs a new "Fatima" consecration.
The fact that the Roman Catholic population has eaten this garbage up without giving it the slightest intellectual scanning is insane, and the fact that there are no voices questioning this demonstrates it's an institution void of any remaining intellectual honesty or integrity. It's purely emotional and passion based.
None of this should be construed, by the way, of me endorsing anything (my opinions on life and morality have drastically changed - for the better). I'm just pointing out an obvious inconsistency.
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