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I have been doing research, and found that my ancestors came from Ayrshire, Scotland.  Are there any saints that come from this area, or around it?

It seems that everyone in Church celebrates a Slava, and they pick a saint reflecting their ancestry (they are converts, btw).  I'm looking for a saint to be the patron of the Hardin clan  ;D
 

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Our very own Fr. Peter Farrington was working on something called "Saints and Holy People of the British Isles", maybe he can help you out.
 

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I will ask him.  Thank you, Severian!!!
 

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trevor72694 said:
I have been doing research, and found that my ancestors came from Ayrshire, Scotland.  Are there any saints that come from this area, or around it?

It seems that everyone in Church celebrates a Slava, and they pick a saint reflecting their ancestry (they are converts, btw).  I'm looking for a saint to be the patron of the Hardin clan  ;D
St Evan (Inan) Aug 18
9th cent. A hermit in Ayrshire in Scotland, where churches are dedicated to him.
 

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John of the North said:
trevor72694 said:
I have been doing research, and found that my ancestors came from Ayrshire, Scotland.  Are there any saints that come from this area, or around it?

It seems that everyone in Church celebrates a Slava, and they pick a saint reflecting their ancestry (they are converts, btw).  I'm looking for a saint to be the patron of the Hardin clan  ;D
St Evan (Inan) Aug 18
9th cent. A hermit in Ayrshire in Scotland, where churches are dedicated to him.
Perfect!!!  Thanks so much!
 

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trevor72694 said:
John of the North said:
trevor72694 said:
I have been doing research, and found that my ancestors came from Ayrshire, Scotland.  Are there any saints that come from this area, or around it?

It seems that everyone in Church celebrates a Slava, and they pick a saint reflecting their ancestry (they are converts, btw).  I'm looking for a saint to be the patron of the Hardin clan  ;D
St Evan (Inan) Aug 18
9th cent. A hermit in Ayrshire in Scotland, where churches are dedicated to him.
Perfect!!!  Thanks so much!
If you email Fr Andrew over at Orthodox England ( http://www.orthodoxengland.org.uk ), where I got this info, he may be able to point you to a more extensive hagiography. An icon would have to be a custom job, in all likelihood.
 

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Thanks, I will e-mail him.

Fr. Anastasios shared this with me, and it's wonderful!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jc7AXvZCCko/S2HzD62YLCI/AAAAAAAAASM/rmktlJTZjAk/s1600-h/All-Saints-of-Scotland.jpg

I just wish I could  make it bigger (without distorting it) so I could mount it.
 

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interesting website

http://www.oodegr.com/english/istorika/britain/British_saints.htm
 

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trevor72694 said:
Thanks, I will e-mail him.

Fr. Anastasios shared this with me, and it's wonderful!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jc7AXvZCCko/S2HzD62YLCI/AAAAAAAAASM/rmktlJTZjAk/s1600-h/All-Saints-of-Scotland.jpg

I just wish I could  make it bigger (without distorting it) so I could mount it.
You could email the blogger and see if they have a different file, preferably in a raw format, which you could take and have a copy made, which could be rather large and look much better than a printed out jpeg.
 

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trevor72694 said:
Thanks, I will e-mail him.

Fr. Anastasios shared this with me, and it's wonderful!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jc7AXvZCCko/S2HzD62YLCI/AAAAAAAAASM/rmktlJTZjAk/s1600-h/All-Saints-of-Scotland.jpg

I just wish I could  make it bigger (without distorting it) so I could mount it.
Offered for sale here
http://www.comeandseeicons.com/groups/drz19.htm
 

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Irish Hermit said:
trevor72694 said:
Thanks, I will e-mail him.

Fr. Anastasios shared this with me, and it's wonderful!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jc7AXvZCCko/S2HzD62YLCI/AAAAAAAAASM/rmktlJTZjAk/s1600-h/All-Saints-of-Scotland.jpg

I just wish I could  make it bigger (without distorting it) so I could mount it.
Offered for sale here
http://www.comeandseeicons.com/groups/drz19.htm
wonderful!!!  Thanks so much!  I will order it.

I see that they also have many icons for sale you wouldn't see on other websites! 
 

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Saint Ninian was the Apostle to the Southern Picts and had missionary activity in Ayrshire. Also Saint Colm Cille (or Columba) is important for all of Scotland.
 

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Question:  Are Scots considered Germanic or Celtic?
 

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Question:  Are Scots considered Germanic or Celtic?
Really... both. The "Scottish" identity came from Gaelic migrants from Ireland in the Roman era (which was also called Scotia at the time). Gaelic became predominate throughout Scotland (replacing the Brythonic language of the Picts, which would have been pretty similar) up till around the 1400's, and there was a Germanic presence in the South East (in addition to Norse settling all over the place and becoming Gaelicised). Up till then to be "Scottish" was to have a Gaelic identity, Scots were aware of and proud of their origins in Ireland.

About 15th century things started to change big time. The Germanic language spoken in Scotland, which was known as Inglis, became known as "Scots" (which used to refer to the Gaelic language) instead. Gaelic was now called Erse (Irish), and disparaged as "foreign." Gaelic, and the Gaelic identity, has spiralled out of use since then. To the point where in some historically Gaelic speaking areas you can find people with Gaelic names in town with Gaelic names who will assert Gaelic is foreign and they get grumpy when there are propositions to teach Gaelic and not Scots in schools.

So, Scots are a mixture of Gaelic and Germanic people. A Gaelic name, most of them only speak a Germanic language, and a culture which is a mix.

(Can you tell I used to want to go to college for Celtic Studies?)
 

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Jason.Wike said:
trevor72694 said:
Question:  Are Scots considered Germanic or Celtic?
Really... both. The "Scottish" identity came from Gaelic migrants from Ireland in the Roman era (which was also called Scotia at the time). Gaelic became predominate throughout Scotland (replacing the Brythonic language of the Picts, which would have been pretty similar) up till around the 1400's, and there was a Germanic presence in the South East (in addition to Norse settling all over the place and becoming Gaelicised). Up till then to be "Scottish" was to have a Gaelic identity, Scots were aware of and proud of their origins in Ireland.

About 15th century things started to change big time. The Germanic language spoken in Scotland, which was known as Inglis, became known as "Scots" (which used to refer to the Gaelic language) instead. Gaelic was now called Erse (Irish), and disparaged as "foreign." Gaelic, and the Gaelic identity, has spiralled out of use since then. To the point where in some historically Gaelic speaking areas you can find people with Gaelic names in town with Gaelic names who will assert Gaelic is foreign and they get grumpy when there are propositions to teach Gaelic and not Scots in schools.

So, Scots are a mixture of Gaelic and Germanic people. A Gaelic name, most of them only speak a Germanic language, and a culture which is a mix.

(Can you tell I used to want to go to college for Celtic Studies?)
yes, I most certainly can  ;)  Is the surname "Hardin" Celtic or Germanic?
 

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trevor72694 said:
Jason.Wike said:
trevor72694 said:
Question:  Are Scots considered Germanic or Celtic?
Really... both. The "Scottish" identity came from Gaelic migrants from Ireland in the Roman era (which was also called Scotia at the time). Gaelic became predominate throughout Scotland (replacing the Brythonic language of the Picts, which would have been pretty similar) up till around the 1400's, and there was a Germanic presence in the South East (in addition to Norse settling all over the place and becoming Gaelicised). Up till then to be "Scottish" was to have a Gaelic identity, Scots were aware of and proud of their origins in Ireland.

About 15th century things started to change big time. The Germanic language spoken in Scotland, which was known as Inglis, became known as "Scots" (which used to refer to the Gaelic language) instead. Gaelic was now called Erse (Irish), and disparaged as "foreign." Gaelic, and the Gaelic identity, has spiralled out of use since then. To the point where in some historically Gaelic speaking areas you can find people with Gaelic names in town with Gaelic names who will assert Gaelic is foreign and they get grumpy when there are propositions to teach Gaelic and not Scots in schools.

So, Scots are a mixture of Gaelic and Germanic people. A Gaelic name, most of them only speak a Germanic language, and a culture which is a mix.

(Can you tell I used to want to go to college for Celtic Studies?)
yes, I most certainly can  ;)  Is the surname "Hardin" Celtic or Germanic?
Germanic, from northern England/Southern Scotland.
 

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Jason.Wike said:
trevor72694 said:
Jason.Wike said:
trevor72694 said:
Question:  Are Scots considered Germanic or Celtic?
Really... both. The "Scottish" identity came from Gaelic migrants from Ireland in the Roman era (which was also called Scotia at the time). Gaelic became predominate throughout Scotland (replacing the Brythonic language of the Picts, which would have been pretty similar) up till around the 1400's, and there was a Germanic presence in the South East (in addition to Norse settling all over the place and becoming Gaelicised). Up till then to be "Scottish" was to have a Gaelic identity, Scots were aware of and proud of their origins in Ireland.

About 15th century things started to change big time. The Germanic language spoken in Scotland, which was known as Inglis, became known as "Scots" (which used to refer to the Gaelic language) instead. Gaelic was now called Erse (Irish), and disparaged as "foreign." Gaelic, and the Gaelic identity, has spiralled out of use since then. To the point where in some historically Gaelic speaking areas you can find people with Gaelic names in town with Gaelic names who will assert Gaelic is foreign and they get grumpy when there are propositions to teach Gaelic and not Scots in schools.

So, Scots are a mixture of Gaelic and Germanic people. A Gaelic name, most of them only speak a Germanic language, and a culture which is a mix.

(Can you tell I used to want to go to college for Celtic Studies?)
yes, I most certainly can  ;)  Is the surname "Hardin" Celtic or Germanic?
Germanic, from northern England/Southern Scotland.
how interesting!!!  Thanks so much! 

I've even found my surname in an Ayrshire surname database.  I'm becoming quite proud of my heritage!
 

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St. Donald is from Scotland. I think there's an icon of him at the 'Come and See' icons site.

:)

I wonder if you'll visit Scotland someday. I'm sure it's beautiful.  :angel:
 
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