just_some_guy
that was really uninteresting by the end. to be honest.
Noted. Learning about the Orthodox mindset is boring. No wonder you're such a smash hit around here.
originally it was quite interesting, and I wrote up notes for my responce as I went. by the end the notes went from "quite an interesting listen" to "that was really uninteresting by the end".
didn't actually mean offence, just being honest with you.
The point is that it is really less about empty (content-less) moralizing, and more about what it means to be a child of God.[...] I'm pretty sure that was in the podcast, too, and it's a real shame you missed it.
I didn't miss
this quote from the pod cast:
natural law is there, there is no doubt about it. but our Anthropology, Our theology is not grounded in natural law. its grounded in something deeper. its grounded in the awareness the the risen Christ. who he is. we believe that this can be comprehended and known.in one of the monographs we are going to publish in the next three months on gay marrage doctor Vegen Guree touches on this point. he says that natural theology is good, but the Orthodox theology can bring foreward something deeper. and thats how I see that we [Orthodox vs other denominations] differ
can I give you concrete specifics at this point. I really can't, yet. I really can't.because I don't think its been done- frankly. I think we intuit that it needs to be done, but I don't think wev'e engaged this deeper question. exspecially the Anthropological question in any way thats been compelling yet
so even he says the Orthodox Church pulls up short on the Anthropological question.

olice:
PeterTheAleut: We don't believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all just different facets of God. We believe that the three distinct persons of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are God
the reason we are discussing the trinity is because you state if I belive in the Trinity then I should also believe in not having premarital sex.
I have stated that I disagree with the Churches point of view about premarital sex, And I have stated that I do not see the 'Trinity' in quite the same way you do.
AND at the same time, even You state the trinity "is contradicted by the majority of the old testament". so why
would I see it the way the Orthodox Church sees it?
so, in my opinion, this Trinity facet of the debate is not likely to bear any fruit.
akimori makoto: You will find, however, that all the evidence points to the fact that the earliest Christians who wrote anything down understood "porneia" to include extra-marital sex.
the irony is, the said
evidence is what I am after.
I do not believe, however, that the proper remedy is to reinterpret the Scriptures in a way that is totally unfaithful to their authors
in case you didn't realise, from my point of view it is the Church that has reinterpreted the Scriptures. But I do agree with your comment.
Cavaradossi: I think that to assume that the Greek speaking world has, for over a millennium, been too benighted to figure out whether porneia had undergone some sort of semantic change since the time of the Gospels is a rather untenable position.
I did not say the word
swoped meaning the way my examples did. I simply mean that, somewhere along the line, premarital sex was added to the list of "sexual immoralitys".
and may I point out that prehaps they
have figured out that proneia has undergone semantic change. remember those blonde and blue eyed scholars...?
Melodist: Was Jesus ever corrected for having a misunderstanding of human sexuality and it's place in marriage?
and as far as Im aware, he was never quoted as saying fornication was a sin either.
Virtus_lb: Paul clearly calls any sex outside of marriage
you make a big claim. but can you back it up? where does Paul say this?
NicholasMyra: Anathema does not mean eternally damned, despite what NIV translators and LARPers would have you believe.
so
Porneia is not the only greek word with contested translations ^_^
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Virtus_lb
you probly don't care much about my point of view, seeing as I fit into the catigory of "false Christians" you descrided. however:
If you believe in 'your view' of Christianity, even if it is different to the 'view' of 95% of the population. Don't give up on it just because of peer pressure to change views. and Definetly don't give up on it because the local Church isn't supporting you the way you think it should.
stand up for what you believe in. even if your standing alone.