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Prohibited marriages in the Orthodox Church

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http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2013/03/prohibited-marriages-in-orthodox-church.html?m=1

Found the above article interesting. Expecially section H, inter-Christian and inter-religious marriages
 

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Peacemaker said:
http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2013/03/prohibited-marriages-in-orthodox-church.html?m=1

Found the above article interesting. Especially section H, inter-Christian and inter-religious marriages
How so on H, it is essentially a more expansive and defined listing of prohibitions, but not inconsistent with that expressed as teaching by the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America? http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/controversial issues.
 

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podkarpatska said:
Peacemaker said:
http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2013/03/prohibited-marriages-in-orthodox-church.html?m=1

Found the above article interesting. Especially section H, inter-Christian and inter-religious marriages
How so on H, it is essentially a more expansive and defined listing of prohibitions, but not inconsistent with that expressed as teaching by the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America? http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/controversial issues.
Was just an interesting read
 

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Also, it's interesting to see the AoG and Pentecostals are specifically excluded despite being Trinitarian. Is there a history behind that (for example, did they try to sheep-steal from the EO at some point)? Likewise with the Disciples of Christ, although the fact that many of them consider the Trinity adiaphora (given that denomination's strict "Bible-Only" philosophy) might be the reason. Thirdly, the Mennonites; why are they on the list?
 

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Minnesotan said:
Also, it's interesting to see the AoG and Pentecostals are specifically excluded despite being Trinitarian. Is there a history behind that (for example, did they try to sheep-steal from the EO at some point)? Likewise with the Disciples of Christ, although the fact that many of them consider the Trinity adiaphora (given that denomination's strict "Bible-Only" philosophy) might be the reason. Thirdly, the Mennonites; why are they on the list?
Belief in the Holy Trinity takes many forms, depending on the Christology of such groups. Moreover, there are many beliefs within such groups which are utterly incompatible with Orthodoxy. Big picture, and all that.
 

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Minnesotan said:
Also, it's interesting to see the AoG and Pentecostals are specifically excluded despite being Trinitarian. Is there a history behind that (for example, did they try to sheep-steal from the EO at some point)? Likewise with the Disciples of Christ, although the fact that many of them consider the Trinity adiaphora (given that denomination's strict "Bible-Only" philosophy) might be the reason. Thirdly, the Mennonites; why are they on the list?
I know many AoGs and Evangelical Frees and Pentecostals who are without any doubt anti-Trinitarian.

Mennonites are probably on the list for the same reason.
 

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scamandrius said:
Minnesotan said:
Also, it's interesting to see the AoG and Pentecostals are specifically excluded despite being Trinitarian. Is there a history behind that (for example, did they try to sheep-steal from the EO at some point)? Likewise with the Disciples of Christ, although the fact that many of them consider the Trinity adiaphora (given that denomination's strict "Bible-Only" philosophy) might be the reason. Thirdly, the Mennonites; why are they on the list?
I know many AoGs and Evangelical Frees and Pentecostals who are without any doubt anti-Trinitarian.

Mennonites are probably on the list for the same reason.
The Evangelical Free Church of America's statement of faith includes the following:

1. We believe in one God, Creator of all things, holy, infinitely perfect, and eternally existing in a loving unity of three equally divine Persons: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Having limitless knowledge and sovereign power, God has graciously purposed from eternity to redeem a people for Himself and to make all things new for His own glory.

I'm not sure if that's specific enough to fully rule out nontrinitarian beliefs or not. One thing I don't like about their statement of faith is that it seems too nontraditional (as in, it doesn't follow the format of the creeds and seems more influenced by The Fundamentals than the Fathers, in terms of writing style). It also elevates to dogma things like "eternal conscious torment" which is something the Orthodox would never do.

The EFCA is the denomination that my parents' church is affiliated with.
 

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I'm not sure if that's specific enough to fully rule out nontrinitarian beliefs or not.
It depends on their definition of the word Persons. Just as the definition of Trinitarian can vary widely. The Church must be careful to make sure they're comparing apples with apples, not oranges.
 

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Minnesotan said:
scamandrius said:
Minnesotan said:
Also, it's interesting to see the AoG and Pentecostals are specifically excluded despite being Trinitarian. Is there a history behind that (for example, did they try to sheep-steal from the EO at some point)? Likewise with the Disciples of Christ, although the fact that many of them consider the Trinity adiaphora (given that denomination's strict "Bible-Only" philosophy) might be the reason. Thirdly, the Mennonites; why are they on the list?
I know many AoGs and Evangelical Frees and Pentecostals who are without any doubt anti-Trinitarian.

Mennonites are probably on the list for the same reason.
The Evangelical Free Church of America's statement of faith includes the following:

1. We believe in one God, Creator of all things, holy, infinitely perfect, and eternally existing in a loving unity of three equally divine Persons: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Having limitless knowledge and sovereign power, God has graciously purposed from eternity to redeem a people for Himself and to make all things new for His own glory.

I'm not sure if that's specific enough to fully rule out nontrinitarian beliefs or not. One thing I don't like about their statement of faith is that it seems too nontraditional (as in, it doesn't follow the format of the creeds and seems more influenced by The Fundamentals than the Fathers, in terms of writing style). It also elevates to dogma things like "eternal conscious torment" which is something the Orthodox would never do.

The EFCA is the denomination that my parents' church is affiliated with.
Efrees are not monolithic and, as far as I know, are congregational  in both polity and doctrine.  So one EFree church may differ significantly from the other one in the next county.
 

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scamandrius said:
Minnesotan said:
scamandrius said:
Minnesotan said:
Also, it's interesting to see the AoG and Pentecostals are specifically excluded despite being Trinitarian. Is there a history behind that (for example, did they try to sheep-steal from the EO at some point)? Likewise with the Disciples of Christ, although the fact that many of them consider the Trinity adiaphora (given that denomination's strict "Bible-Only" philosophy) might be the reason. Thirdly, the Mennonites; why are they on the list?
I know many AoGs and Evangelical Frees and Pentecostals who are without any doubt anti-Trinitarian.

Mennonites are probably on the list for the same reason.
The Evangelical Free Church of America's statement of faith includes the following:

1. We believe in one God, Creator of all things, holy, infinitely perfect, and eternally existing in a loving unity of three equally divine Persons: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Having limitless knowledge and sovereign power, God has graciously purposed from eternity to redeem a people for Himself and to make all things new for His own glory.

I'm not sure if that's specific enough to fully rule out nontrinitarian beliefs or not. One thing I don't like about their statement of faith is that it seems too nontraditional (as in, it doesn't follow the format of the creeds and seems more influenced by The Fundamentals than the Fathers, in terms of writing style). It also elevates to dogma things like "eternal conscious torment" which is something the Orthodox would never do.

The EFCA is the denomination that my parents' church is affiliated with.
Efrees are not monolithic and, as far as I know, are congregational  in both polity and doctrine.  So one EFree church may differ significantly from the other one in the next county.
I see. The one my parents attend is sort of middle-of-the-road evangelical, although the influence of New Calvinism seems to be steadily increasing among some of them.
 

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What would the prohibition on marrying a mormon mean to a convert to Orthodoxy whose mormon spouse is firmly against the conversion of the husband and even more firmly against the raising of their (already existing) children as Orthodox?
 

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StevenRushing said:
What would the prohibition on marrying a mormon mean to a convert to Orthodoxy whose mormon spouse is firmly against the conversion of the husband and even more firmly against the raising of their (already existing) children as Orthodox?
There is no prohibition in that situation. The Church does not ever favor divorce. Such a person would just be expected to live his faith out the best he was able, usually under the guidance of his priest.
 

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StevenRushing said:
What would the prohibition on marrying a mormon mean to a convert to Orthodoxy whose mormon spouse is firmly against the conversion of the husband and even more firmly against the raising of their (already existing) children as Orthodox?
That rule applies to someone who is already Orthodox but not married yet. If you marry a Mormon, as a Mormon, and then later convert to Orthodoxy, that's a different situation. Many of the early Christians were married to pagans and St. Paul told them not to leave their spouses.
 

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There must be six degrees of separation.
"and seven degrees of Kevin Bacon."

Seems like a real missed opportunity.
 

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Maybe this was in there and I missed it, but are you allowed to marry a child of your god parents? Like my son's god parents are about to have a baby. When both children are grown can they get married? Or have we barred our son from marrying what is possibly the only orthodox girl in his age group around here? lol
 

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Branthony said:
Maybe this was in there and I missed it, but are you allowed to marry a child of your god parents?
I don't think so, no.

Like my son's god parents are about to have a baby. When both children are grown can they get married? Or have we barred our son from marrying what is possibly the only orthodox girl in his age group around here? lol
Man, is he going to let you guys have it...  :p
 

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Mor Ephrem said:
Branthony said:
Maybe this was in there and I missed it, but are you allowed to marry a child of your god parents?
I don't think so, no.

Like my son's god parents are about to have a baby. When both children are grown can they get married? Or have we barred our son from marrying what is possibly the only orthodox girl in his age group around here? lol
Man, is he going to let you guys have it...  :p

Well maybe the new baby is a boy....;)
 

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DeniseDenise said:
Mor Ephrem said:
Branthony said:
Maybe this was in there and I missed it, but are you allowed to marry a child of your god parents?
I don't think so, no.

Like my son's god parents are about to have a baby. When both children are grown can they get married? Or have we barred our son from marrying what is possibly the only orthodox girl in his age group around here? lol
Man, is he going to let you guys have it...  :p

Well maybe the new baby is a boy....;)
That's still prohibited. ;)
 

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ZealousZeal said:
DeniseDenise said:
Mor Ephrem said:
Branthony said:
Maybe this was in there and I missed it, but are you allowed to marry a child of your god parents?
I don't think so, no.

Like my son's god parents are about to have a baby. When both children are grown can they get married? Or have we barred our son from marrying what is possibly the only orthodox girl in his age group around here? lol
Man, is he going to let you guys have it...  :p

Well maybe the new baby is a boy....;)
That's still prohibited. ;)
well yes...but chances he will be irate with his parents over that are less
 

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Branthony said:
Maybe this was in there and I missed it, but are you allowed to marry a child of your god parents? Like my son's god parents are about to have a baby. When both children are grown can they get married? Or have we barred our son from marrying what is possibly the only orthodox girl in his age group around here? lol
No, such marriages are not possible. It would be spiritual incest. Your son and his Godparents' future children will be regarded by the Church as spiritual brother and sister.
 

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LBK said:
Branthony said:
Maybe this was in there and I missed it, but are you allowed to marry a child of your god parents? Like my son's god parents are about to have a baby. When both children are grown can they get married? Or have we barred our son from marrying what is possibly the only orthodox girl in his age group around here? lol
No, such marriages are not possible. It would be spiritual incest. Your son and his Godparents' future children will be regarded by the Church as spiritual brother and sister.
In America if you can find another breathing Orthodox Christian to marry and breed with you've hit the jackpot. These rules gotta go in the New World.
 

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Alveus Lacuna said:
LBK said:
Branthony said:
Maybe this was in there and I missed it, but are you allowed to marry a child of your god parents? Like my son's god parents are about to have a baby. When both children are grown can they get married? Or have we barred our son from marrying what is possibly the only orthodox girl in his age group around here? lol
No, such marriages are not possible. It would be spiritual incest. Your son and his Godparents' future children will be regarded by the Church as spiritual brother and sister.
In America if you can find another breathing Orthodox Christian to marry and breed with you've hit the jackpot. These rules gotta go in the New World.
No, they don't. I don't live in a traditionally Orthodox country, yet a great many Orthodox folks here have little trouble finding fellow Orthodox to marry. Then there's the option of conversion before marriage. It's not as impossible as you make it sound.
 

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LBK said:
Alveus Lacuna said:
LBK said:
Branthony said:
Maybe this was in there and I missed it, but are you allowed to marry a child of your god parents? Like my son's god parents are about to have a baby. When both children are grown can they get married? Or have we barred our son from marrying what is possibly the only orthodox girl in his age group around here? lol
No, such marriages are not possible. It would be spiritual incest. Your son and his Godparents' future children will be regarded by the Church as spiritual brother and sister.
In America if you can find another breathing Orthodox Christian to marry and breed with you've hit the jackpot. These rules gotta go in the New World.
No, they don't. I don't live in a traditionally Orthodox country, yet a great many Orthodox folks here have little trouble finding fellow Orthodox to marry. Then there's the option of conversion before marriage. It's not as impossible as you make it sound.
Really, it's not that hard!  Woohoooo!!!!!
 
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