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I agree wholeheartedly with +SERB1389's cry of ACCIDENT for the Holy Synod, and I believe that we should decide together on the following issues (point-by-point, to make it easier):

1. Do we define subliminal drinking as the act of receiving alchohol into the system without cognitive recognition of the fact by the recipient, thus bypassing voluntary control of the drinking act, the sensations of taste, but instead resulting only in the after-effects of the drinking act, i.e. the effects of alchohol on the body?

2. Do we uphold the "drinking act" - the physical raising of the cup, acknowledgement of one's company, the occasional toast, and the physical bringing of the cup to mouth to imbibe, with the effects of tasting the beer and increasing camaraderie - as being integral to the drinking experience?

3. If we agree upon two, then do we anathematize all acts which bypass the "drinking act" as being against the very fiber of our standard of morality?
 

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I actually agree with all three (of course, I wrote them).

So far, for each point:

1. agree: +GEORGE, +SERB1389;

2. agree: +GEORGE, +SERB1389;

3. agree (anathema): +GEORGE;

Let's see what others have to say on the matter!

+GEORGE
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Let's not act so hastily on matters of which we know so little. Let us, as a precautionary measure, ban subliminal drinking until such time as one can appear before the Synod, and present unto us this act of subliminal drinking, so that we may better understand it. And only then, once familiar with its workings, should we rule ultimately whether to accept subliminal drinkers into our fold, or to banish them to the pit of eternal sobriety, where the Great Distiller shall walk never more.
 

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I wonder though, maybe we should ask for a formal description of subliminal drinking from said practisioner before they demonstrate before us; I would hate for one of our company to be under some demonic or sobriac incantation before we knew what was going on!
 

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I'm much more of a Cyril of Alexandria guy myself.  Take them out while they're not here...haha. 

No seriously though, I bow to the wisdom of the Ecumenical throne.  GiC is right, we should wait until someone can defend themeselves....you ecumenical sell-outs.  haha. 

And I'm all for the Anathema!  (just so you know +George)
 

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Hmmm, perhaps an example would be in order. But as long as alcohol is involved in the subliminal drinking process, I do not see how sobriety could come of it. Though perhaps as a percaution we should observe the demonstration while drinking, so that by that sacramental act we could be protected and preserved from the evils of sobriety, temprance, and prohibition; if indeed those are the intent of the practitioners of subliminal drinking.
 

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I don't think any alcohol is involved in the process.  How can something that is substantial be considered "subliminal" it is clearly a contradiction in terms.  Therefore, one is led to believe that the subliminal drinking is something other than the true consumption of true alcohol, yet produces the same side-effects.  This is my understanding...
 

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The effects of Alcohol without Alcohol? Isn't that called insanity?

If indeed it is more than that, we await a description followed by a demonstration of this strange occurrence.
 

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Here's what I understand it to be: The person, is fully aware of the the alcochol, and the consumption of it, it has all the same effects, but... they are only aware of it during the fact, but somehow are caused to forget that they did, and it becomes a mere dream, thus makinging them feel the need for more alchol, which how can that be a bad thing?  ;D
 

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I don't know if I would agree with forgetting the experience immediately after it happens; and I need no help in craving more....
 

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But I think there is something to be said for enjoying the experience of having the pint, of consciously partaking of it... I don't think I would like the experience of one minute full, next empty.  I would definitely need to see this demonstrated before deciding (although I am leaning towards rejection of the concept).
 

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sdcheung said:
as in One minute you have a full Pint, and the other minute your Pint is empty?
Without the experience of drinking it? Hmmmm, sounds like hell.
 

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Meekle said:
I think you are all missing the fact that you do indeed experience it.  :p
I think the synod needs a demonstration, this does seem to be quite a break from the traditional methods for the consuming of alcohol. I fear I need to see and experience this subliminal drinking before releasing it on unsuspecting alcoholics everywhere. Until such time I present to the Synod for voting a moratorium on subliminal drinking.
 

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Meekle said:
I think you are all missing the fact that you do indeed experience it.  :p
What are you experiencing?  The idea as posed before was that, one second the pint is full, next it is empty; this makes it sound as though one does not get to relish the taste of the beer, since one did not notice that they had drank it!
 

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greekischristian said:
I think the synod needs a demonstration, this does seem to be quite a break from the traditional methods for the consuming of alcohol. I fear I need to see and experience this subliminal drinking before releasing it on unsuspecting alcoholics everywhere. Until such time I present to the Synod for voting a moratorium on subliminal drinking. 
I vote in the affirmative for a moratorium on subliminal drinking until such time as a demonstration can be set up with at least a majority of the synod present.
 

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What are you experiencing?  The idea as posed before was that, one second the pint is full, next it is empty; this makes it sound as though one does not get to relish the taste of the beer, since one did not notice that they had drank it!
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So you're really saying that subliminal drinking involves induced memory loss; in the moment, one experiences the taste, etc; but in the next moment, the whole thing is as if it were a dream, and the only way they'll know it wasn't is by the physiological response to the alchohol...
 

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cleveland said:
So you're really saying that subliminal drinking involves induced memory loss; in the moment, one experiences the taste, etc; but in the next moment, the whole thing is as if it were a dream, and the only way they'll know it wasn't is by the physiological response to the alchohol...
I'm not sure if that it exactly it, but I guess... The way I see it, you doubt that you partook of the alcoholic gifts, and thus doubt your salvation, and thus keep drinking, benefitting your salvation without knowing it...
 

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Meekle said:
I'm not sure if that it exactly it, but I guess... The way I see it, you doubt that you partook of the alcoholic gifts, and thus doubt your salvation, and thus keep drinking, benefitting your salvation without knowing it...
No doubt sliding in your cheapest alcohol, and violating the canons on hospitality in the process?
 

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No doubt sliding in your cheapest alcohol, and violating the canons on hospitality in the process?
Not at all. Remember, they will be fully conscious of the partaking, at the time of their partaking, so they would only settle for the good stuff.
 

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Hmmm.... So in the end, there is no concrete memory of the partaking act... see, that's something that I don't think I like about the concept....
 

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Why would I want to not remember my drinking? Plus, alcohol can do that all by itself, without the benifit of subliminal drinking.
 

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Yes, I figure the only way that memory of the drinking act should be erased is if someone were to imbibe enough alchohol to cause that.  Now I, for one, prefer to remember the evening's activities... so it does not sound like subliminal drinking would work for me....
 

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I dont mind forgetting every once in a while, but as I said before I dont need subliminal drinking for that.
 

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Oh, I'm sure there are a few nights that you wish you'd forget but haven't.... I seem to remember Male Bonding Day 1 as having some interesting effects on people later in the  day....
 

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cleveland said:
Oh, I'm sure there are a few nights that you wish you'd forget but haven't.... I seem to remember Male Bonding Day 1 as having some interesting effects on people later in the  day....
Actually, I believe that was clean monday. ;)
 

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greekischristian said:
Actually, I believe that was clean monday. ;)
Clean monday, or bright monday?  I don't think we had any kegs on clean monday!
 

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greekischristian said:
Which I dont remember all that well, but I remember enough of it.
See, we don't need any "subliminal drinking" to get the effects thereof, now do we?
 

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I don't see how losing memory of one's drinking experience has any parallels with water used to clean pigs and/or pigpens.... maybe it's a serbian thing?
 

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cleveland said:
Clean monday, or bright monday?  I don't think we had any kegs on clean monday!
Yes, bright monday, my bad...but a repeat this clean monday might be nice...oh the scandal!!!  :eek:
 

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greekischristian said:
Yes, bright monday, my bad...but a repeat this clean monday might be nice...oh the scandal!!!  :eek:
And we could do a steak beating/roast (beating for the very rare, cooking for the rare or medium rare)... a nice keg...
 

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cleveland said:
And we could do a steak beating/roast (beating for the very rare, cooking for the rare or medium rare)... a nice keg...
I'm game, sounds like a great way to start off lent, beer and raw meat (though I do like the very outside of my meat seared to hold in the juces, but the middle best be raw)...heck, that's a good way to spend a day any time of the year. ;)
 
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