ZealousZeal
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There's ice cream in my freezer. It's calling my name. Shouting it, actually... :-\
Sounds like that those break-n-bake cookies were shouting at me a few minutes ago....ZealousZeal said:There's ice cream in my freezer. It's calling my name. Shouting it, actually... :-\
truth.Asteriktos said:If God didn't want you eating that stuff he wouldn't have invented them![]()
Works for me! Brb...Asteriktos said:If God didn't want you eating that stuff he wouldn't have invented them![]()
I started watching that a couple of months ago, and never got around to finishing it. I've also never heard of a degree in "Christian apologetics", so blank stare from me on that one.Asteriktos said:Ok, so I just started to watch the Hitchens vs. Craig debate from 2009. Atheists say Hitchens blows Craig away, and Christians say Craig blows Hitchens away. Whatever. I think all claims that someone pwns/destroys/whatever someone else should be banned from youtube, because it's never, ever, never, ever, ever accurate. Anyway, still, I want to see what it's all aboot, eh? But i'm only a minute in and I'm already confused... Biola has a Masters degree program in "Christian apologetics"? Really? I knew those guys took apologetics seriously, but I never even thought of something like that...
Asteriktos said:Ok, so I just started to watch the Hitchens vs. Craig debate from 2009. Atheists say Hitchens blows Craig away, and Christians say Craig blows Hitchens away. Whatever. I think all claims that someone pwns/destroys/whatever someone else should be banned from youtube, because it's never, ever, never, ever, ever accurate. Anyway, still, I want to see what it's all aboot, eh? But i'm only a minute in and I'm already confused... Biola has a Masters degree program in "Christian apologetics"? Really? I knew those guys took apologetics seriously, but I never even thought of something like that...
I'm 54 minutes in and just taking a break. I'll post a bit here after I'm done, though I'll leave myself open to objections regardless of what I say I suppose ;DZealousZeal said:I started watching that a couple of months ago, and never got around to finishing it. I've also never heard of a degree in "Christian apologetics", so blank stare from me on that one.
Let me know how it is?
St. Justin Popovich would seem to agree with you on that. .. . [insert emoticon which conveys what I'm feeling, which is sort of a "I don't know, yet" vibe]Gebre Menfes Kidus said:Yeah, the whole evangelical apologetics movement is dangerous in my opinion. Trying to prove the veracity of the Christian Faith by human reason alone is an exercise in futility. It's good to defend the Faith and give reasons for the hope that we have, but attempts to reduce Christianity to logical syllogisms and systematic proofs ultimately create idolatous caricatures of the Divine rather than proving the existence of the Divine Creator.
Asteriktos said:St. Justin Popovich would seem to agree with you on that. .. .![]()
What was the hmm for? Are you hmming my stuff in brackets, or the statement about St. Justin? If the latter, well I wo--- woh, wait, you used a smiley from civfanatics? That's like +1000 geek points. Seriously. You da man. Civ forever! Sid forever!That person said:Asteriktos said:St. Justin Popovich would seem to agree with you on that. .. .![]()
Really? Interesting.Asteriktos said:I agree, I also found Craig more persuasive.
It was the best thing I could think of to insert when you asked me to insert something. MaybeAsteriktos said:What was the hmm for? Are you hmming my stuff in brackets, or the statement about St. Justin? If the latter, well I wo--- woh, wait, you used a smiley from civfanatics? That's like +1000 geek points. Seriously. You da man. Civ forever! Sid forever!That person said:Asteriktos said:St. Justin Popovich would seem to agree with you on that. .. .![]()
To be fair, I've never been overly enamored with Hitchens. And if Craig recycles arguments as often as the atheists I've watched claims he does, then Hitchens didn't seem to be aware of it. But really what I tried to do is not simply evaluate the arguments, but rather to look at things from the perspectives of both men. Craig does rely on assumptions and disputable argumentation (which gets to the point Hitchens tried to make about Craig usually being considered an evidentialist, but really going down the presuppositionalist road quite a ways as well). Both men ask us to consider the evidence, but what they don't delve deeply enough into IMO is where the speakers and the listeners are starting from. If I started with reason being the ultimate criterion, and perhaps the only important one, and tried to view everything from an objective, outside-looking-in position, then Craig would not have persuaded me, and neither would Hitchens have done so. But if I put myself in the shoes of both men, the naturalist and the Christian (not at the same time, but I mean trying to understand each man, one at a time), and was willing for the sake of argument to accept certain assumptions that each man accepts, and asked who made the better case, to me it seemed like Craig did so.ZealousZeal said:Really? Interesting.Asteriktos said:I agree, I also found Craig more persuasive.
Ahh, okThat person said:It was the best thing I could think of to insert when you asked me to insert something. MaybeAsteriktos said:What was the hmm for? Are you hmming my stuff in brackets, or the statement about St. Justin? If the latter, well I wo--- woh, wait, you used a smiley from civfanatics? That's like +1000 geek points. Seriously. You da man. Civ forever! Sid forever!That person said:Asteriktos said:St. Justin Popovich would seem to agree with you on that. .. .
would have been better. So do you post there? I'm semi-regular in the Off Topic section. Haven't actually played Civ in a good while.![]()
isn't the civ 5 expansion due out soon? I need to get my PC fixed for that one.Asteriktos said:Ahh, okThat person said:It was the best thing I could think of to insert when you asked me to insert something. MaybeAsteriktos said:What was the hmm for? Are you hmming my stuff in brackets, or the statement about St. Justin? If the latter, well I wo--- woh, wait, you used a smiley from civfanatics? That's like +1000 geek points. Seriously. You da man. Civ forever! Sid forever!That person said:Asteriktos said:St. Justin Popovich would seem to agree with you on that. .. .
would have been better. So do you post there? I'm semi-regular in the Off Topic section. Haven't actually played Civ in a good while.![]()
I haven't been around Civfanatics for a while though, except maybe once or twice a year while looking for a download or something. I used to play the GOTM all the time for... Civ 3 I think, and Civ 4 when it first came out I think... but it's been too long, I forget which (probably both).
Yeah, June 19th (I didn't know off the top of my head, even though I've been seeing articles on it at gaming sites, so I checked wiki). I just recently started playing it again. Still not in love with it. That my computer isn't as good as it should/needs to be probably is part of that.Ortho_cat said:isn't the civ 5 expansion due out soon? I need to get my PC fixed for that one.Asteriktos said:Ahh, okThat person said:It was the best thing I could think of to insert when you asked me to insert something. MaybeAsteriktos said:What was the hmm for? Are you hmming my stuff in brackets, or the statement about St. Justin? If the latter, well I wo--- woh, wait, you used a smiley from civfanatics? That's like +1000 geek points. Seriously. You da man. Civ forever! Sid forever!That person said:Asteriktos said:St. Justin Popovich would seem to agree with you on that. .. .
would have been better. So do you post there? I'm semi-regular in the Off Topic section. Haven't actually played Civ in a good while.![]()
I haven't been around Civfanatics for a while though, except maybe once or twice a year while looking for a download or something. I used to play the GOTM all the time for... Civ 3 I think, and Civ 4 when it first came out I think... but it's been too long, I forget which (probably both).
Dude... Ew.ironchapman said:My dog has eaten my toenail clippings. This is why I love her.
You should check out their OT sometime. Like most forums, it's not nearly as good as it used to be, but you still seem like you could fit in well.Asteriktos said:Ahh, okThat person said:It was the best thing I could think of to insert when you asked me to insert something. MaybeAsteriktos said:What was the hmm for? Are you hmming my stuff in brackets, or the statement about St. Justin? If the latter, well I wo--- woh, wait, you used a smiley from civfanatics? That's like +1000 geek points. Seriously. You da man. Civ forever! Sid forever!That person said:Asteriktos said:St. Justin Popovich would seem to agree with you on that. .. .
would have been better. So do you post there? I'm semi-regular in the Off Topic section. Haven't actually played Civ in a good while.![]()
I haven't been around Civfanatics for a while though, except maybe once or twice a year while looking for a download or something. I used to play the GOTM all the time for... Civ 3 I think, and Civ 4 when it first came out I think... but it's been too long, I forget which (probably both).
That's exactly what my Mom said.ZealousZeal said:Dude... Ew.ironchapman said:My dog has eaten my toenail clippings. This is why I love her.
Not this time, but she has in the past.That person said:Your mom addresses you as "dude?"
Sure beats watching a dog eat its own poop.ZealousZeal said:Dude... Ew.ironchapman said:My dog has eaten my toenail clippings. This is why I love her.
1 more day!!!ZealousZeal said:THURSDAY!!!
Really? I was embarrassed to admit that I love Thursdays because Grey's Anatomy is on (finale tonight!), but now...Timon said:I wish Thursday was still Jersday.
Anyone else??
Grey's killed his character off seasons ago, you can have him back now.JamesR said:I hate Grey's Anatomyit stole Jeffrey Dean Morgan from Supernatural, he always wasn't available to make new episodes because he was too busy doing Grey's Anatomy.
You've never heard that debacle until today? You're better for it.orthonorm said:WTF? How and when did this happen?Asteriktos said:What happens in one more day? Oh right...
Dude, what planet do you live on?
orthonorm said:WTF? How and when did this happen?Asteriktos said:What happens in one more day? Oh right...
Dude, what planet do you live on?