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J Michael said:
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St. Nicholas and Santa Claus (St. Claus??) are two separate and distinct characters--one real, the other a coke head.
What did you think with all that white powder at the North Pole?
Well, as one once nearly addicted to coke.....what *would* I think?  ;)
A truly awful fate that is. I'm addicted to drinking cold water. A much healthier and cheaper addiction.
 

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J Michael said:
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Of all those Jews I only recognised Bob Dylan.
You're either *very* young or very sheltered.  ;D
I'm 18 springs young. Does that pardon me  :)
Hmmm.....I'll have to apply some oikonomia to make it so.
There are only two ways to dress like a pimp.  Right and wrong.  This guy, is straight up ice cold gangsta:



Scoff if you like, but this is the sorta girls this bro was pulling:



And when he died, he was carried up into heaven by angels.  Here's a photo:

 

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I hope Nelson's skills as an admiral were more impressive than his hat. Now when it comes to hats no-one can beat the Queen.



I wish I had her hats. She's quitting anyway so perhaps if I ask nicely...
 

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J Michael said:
St. Nicholas and Santa Claus (St. Claus??) are two separate and distinct characters--one real, the other a coke head.
Post of the coming age.
 

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Romaios said:
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Apologies for nitpicking, but the first one is a capello romano, not a galero.
Indeed, they are visibly not the same type of headdress.

Last time I checked, capello meant 'hair' in Italian.

I guess if you are born with German Haar, you must put the Roman capello on top.  ???
When in Rome I suppose, lol.

I have heard that years ago, one could present the pope with a white zucchetto in exchange for the one he was wearing. That would be a pretty cool souvenir.

 

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Ioannis Climacus said:
I have heard that years ago, one could present the pope with a white zuccheto in exchange for the one he was wearing. That would be pretty cool souvenir.
Another weird Italian name for a piece of clerical headdress: zucca is "pumpkin", zucchetto - "little pumpkin".

So wearing one of those makes one a ... pumpkinhead. ???

Maybe that's how Italians view their clergy.

Lol - I just noticed this V

Italian Animal Rights Activists Pressure Cat-Loving Pope to Stop Wearing Fur

 

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Romaios said:
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I have heard that years ago, one could present the pope with a white zuccheto in exchange for the one he was wearing. That would be pretty cool souvenir.
Another weird Italian name for a piece of clerical headdress: zucca is "pumpkin", zucchetto - "little pumpkin".

So wearing one of those makes one a ... pumpkinhead. ???

Maybe that's how Italians view their clergy.
Or, maybe that's how Romanians view Italian clergy.  A zucchetto is essentially the same as a kippah (yarmulke).

Zucchetto:


Kippah:
 

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Der liebe Gott wohnt im Detail: the kippa has no pumpkin tail or stripes on it.



 

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kippah (yarmulke).
Can someone give me a quick etymology of kippah? When it was first used to denote this sorta "hat"?
 

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orthonorm said:
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Sounds yiddish to me.
I wondering if it is a rendering of kapele or if that is a false cognate.
More over I want to know why some Jews use kippah it seems as a statement rather than yarmulke. It makes no sense to me if kippah is indeed a Yiddish rendering.

Everyone I grew up around said yarmulke without the weird American pronunciation. J Michael just reminded me of this thing that niggles me at times and I lack the resources and time right now to find out.

IOW, curious and lazy.
 

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Thanks, but I would like for something more complete. If it comes from Hebrew that would explain the political undertone of its use, I am interested when it became standard to use it for the hat. IOW, would a 18th century Ashkenazi Jew have said yarmulke rather than kippah primarily.
 

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orthonorm said:
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Thanks, but I would like for something more complete. If it comes from Hebrew that would explain the political undertone of its use, I am interested when it became standard to use it for the hat. IOW, would a 18th century Ashkenazi Jew have said yarmulke rather than kippah primarily.
[size=10pt]yarmulke (n.) Look up yarmulke at Dictionary.com
    1903, from Yiddish yarmulke, from Polish jarmułka, originally "a skullcap worn by priests," perhaps ultimately from Medieval Latin almutia "cowl, hood."
http://etymonline.com/?term=yarmulke
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Non snap-back hats look weird on anyone that isn't a hipster or 40+ years old, and that's the honest truth.
 

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orthonorm said:
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If it comes from Hebrew that would explain the political undertone of its use, I am interested when it became standard to use it for the hat.
In the Hebrew Bible, kippa means "palm leaf" (Is. 9:13; 19:15).

According to the Brown-Driver-Briggs lexicon, it comes from the root כָּפַף - "to bend, be bent/bowed or hollow" and is related to kaf ("hollow" or "flat of the hand, palm, sole of foot or pan").
 

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Romaios said:
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If it comes from Hebrew that would explain the political undertone of its use, I am interested when it became standard to use it for the hat.
In the Hebrew Bible, kippa means "palm leaf" (Is. 9:13; 19:15).

According to the Brown-Driver-Briggs lexicon, it comes from the root כָּפַף - to bend/be bent/hollow and is related to kaf (hollow or flat of the hand, palm, sole of foot or pan).
You really are a veritable wealth of information!  Thanks for that!
 

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Non snap-back hats look weird on anyone that isn't a hipster or 40+ years old, and that's the honest truth.
But James... :'(

Do you think that this looks weird or hipster on me?
 

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Non snap-back hats look weird on anyone that isn't a hipster or 40+ years old, and that's the honest truth.
But James... :'(

Do you think that this looks weird or hipster on me?
Well...the red and black tights look....oh...wait, you're the one in the middle?  ;D ;D
 

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J Michael said:
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Non snap-back hats look weird on anyone that isn't a hipster or 40+ years old, and that's the honest truth.
But James... :'(

Do you think that this looks weird or hipster on me?
Well...the red and black tights look....oh...wait, you're the one in the middle?  ;D ;D
Perhaps, perhaps not  :-*
 

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Cyrillic said:
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Non snap-back hats look weird on anyone that isn't a hipster or 40+ years old, and that's the honest truth.
But James... :'(

Do you think that this looks weird or hipster on me?
Well...the red and black tights look....oh...wait, you're the one in the middle?  ;D ;D
Perhaps, perhaps not  :-*
Either way, probably a little too much booze  :eek:  ;D.
 

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Either way, probably a little too much booze  :eek:  ;D.
A little is a little bit of an understatement :D

Anyway, hats gets you all the wimminz. James, are you listening?
 

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J Michael said:
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Non snap-back hats look weird on anyone that isn't a hipster or 40+ years old, and that's the honest truth.
What is a "Non snap-back hat"?  (Guess you can tell that I not a hipster, and not younger than 40, eh ;D?)
I am under-40 and have been accused of hipsterism by some and have the same question.
 

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I think the following verse is the reason for wearing a kippa (”palm”) as covering when the Shekhina (glory of God) is present:

”While my glory passes by I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and I will cover you with my hand (veshakkoti kappi 'aleykha) until I have passed by.” (Ex 33:22)
 

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Cyrillic said:
I hope Nelson's skills as an admiral were more impressive than his hat. Now when it comes to hats no-one can beat the Queen.



I wish I had her hats. She's quitting anyway so perhaps if I ask nicely...
I don't even know what you are talking about in regards to Nelson's hat not being the cats pajammies.  That hat was personally knighted by the King of England for it's part in Nelson's victories and after his death the hat was sainted by the Anglican Church as well as becoming a sacred relic.  It is in fact, the first piece of headwear to ever be both simultaneously a saint and a relic.  It was even recognized by the Orthodox and Catholic Churches, though not as a saint.  (It is called "The Blessed" in much the same manner as Augustine of Hippo.)  

As for his skill as an admiral, I refer you to Trafalgar and the Nile.
 

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Romaios said:
I think the following verse is the reason for wearing a kippa (”palm”) as covering when the Shekhina (glory of God) is present:

”While my glory passes by I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and I will cover you with my hand (veshakkoti kappi 'aleykha) until I have passed by.” (Ex 33:22)
Maybe.

I just found this:
[size=10pt]Wearing a kippah is not a religious commandment. Rather it is a Jewish custom that over time has come to be associated with Jewish identity and showing respect for God. In Orthodox and Conservative circles covering one’s head is seen as a sign of yirat Shamayim, which means "reverence for God" in Hebrew. This concept comes from the Talmud, where wearing a head covering is associated with showing respect for God and for men of higher social status. Some scholars also cite the Middle Age custom of covering one's head in the presence of royalty. Since God is the "King of Kings" it made sense to also cover one's head during prayer or religious services, when one hopes to approach the Divine through worship.

According to author Alfred Koltach, the earliest reference to a Jewish head covering comes from Exodus 28:4, where it is called mitzneft and refers to a part of the High Priest's wardrobe. Another biblical reference is II Samuel 15:30, where covering the head and face is a sign of mourning.
http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/What-Is-A-Kippah-Yarmulke.htm
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Cyrillic said:
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Either way, probably a little too much booze  :eek:  ;D.
A little is a little bit of an understatement :D

Anyway, hats gets you all the wimminz. James, are you listening?
Based on your photo I am not inclined to insult your fashion sense.  Usually I would, but Vamrat is not one to argue against the gimmick providing the desired effect.
 

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Cyrillic said:
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Non snap-back hats look weird on anyone that isn't a hipster or 40+ years old, and that's the honest truth.
But James... :'(

Do you think that this looks weird or hipster on me?
Pretty hipster--but in a good way. Ladies love the hipsters.
 

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Snapbacks are waaaay too mainstream to be hipster.

Hipster is trying hard to look like you didn't try hard.

A lot of them are attracted to Orthodoxy so they can dress like Russian peasants.
 

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The Orthodox are found in the marketplace of ideas, in this very odd marketplace of ideas:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Moe121fFO4s/USE5iqNXVOI/AAAAAAAAq4Q/bv2jb5Q6t8g/s1600/823456_543938433016_1626659628_o.jpg

hat tip: "By Their Beards Ye Shall Know Them," Byzantine Texas blog.
 
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