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I've repeated it before and will repeat it again:

The only thing worse than looking for a job is finding one.
 

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orthonorm said:
I've repeated it before and will repeat it again:

The only thing worse than looking for a job is finding one.
Yeah I don't want to work either.

Can I quit and just sleep in your stationwagon?
 

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biro said:
Thanks, everybody.
Oh sorry I didn't know orthonorm was replying to you.

But I'm terribly sorry to hear that. I've already been rejected twice, definitely one of the worse feelings.

Even worse if you have been spoiled like I have been.
 

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orthonorm said:
I've repeated it before and will repeat it again:

The only thing worse than looking for a job is finding one.
In the words of my father, no matter how bad you may think your job is, remember it can always be worse. You could always be shoveling poop.
 

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I'd rather work as a pooper scooper than work in a plastic injection-molding factory again. Bodily fluids can be disgusting, as I've learned cleaning toilets at more than one job. But the intellectual-suicide-via-boredom that one commits by babysitting machines in a factory? That is a fate I would not wish on anyone.
 

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JamesR said:
orthonorm said:
I've repeated it before and will repeat it again:

The only thing worse than looking for a job is finding one.
In the words of my father, no matter how bad you may think your job is, remember it can always be worse. You could always be shoveling poop.
A conversation I had with a Marine buddy during a summer training exercise many years ago as we were watching a big vacuum truck doing its thing with a portable toilet.

Me: "That job must really suck."
He: "Yeah, it sucks ****."

:laugh:
 

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Achronos said:
But I'm terribly sorry to hear that. I've already been rejected twice, definitely one of the worse feelings.

Even worse if you have been spoiled like I have been.
I've had my immediate superiors not only try to terminate my position but also kick me out of the company altogether. They would have succeeded, if their superiors hadn't had firsthand evidence of my work quality.

School bullying ain't got diddly on workplace bullying.
 

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Arachne said:
Achronos said:
But I'm terribly sorry to hear that. I've already been rejected twice, definitely one of the worse feelings.

Even worse if you have been spoiled like I have been.
I've had my immediate superiors not only try to terminate my position but also kick me out of the company altogether. They would have succeeded, if their superiors hadn't had firsthand evidence of my work quality.

School bullying ain't got diddly on workplace bullying.
Oh wow, that's bad. Why did your immediate superiors try to do that?
 

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Cyrillic said:
Arachne said:
Achronos said:
But I'm terribly sorry to hear that. I've already been rejected twice, definitely one of the worse feelings.

Even worse if you have been spoiled like I have been.
I've had my immediate superiors not only try to terminate my position but also kick me out of the company altogether. They would have succeeded, if their superiors hadn't had firsthand evidence of my work quality.

School bullying ain't got diddly on workplace bullying.
Oh wow, that's bad. Why did your immediate superiors try to do that?
Insecurity. Most of them had got their positions because they knew someone who knew someone, and here comes the department secretary, older and better qualified than most of them, and not taking bullying lying down. Perhaps they thought I'd be promoted over them, which is idiotic as ways of thinking go. At the end of my year-long probationary contract, when it would be decided if I would get a permanent one or be let go, over half of them voted to have me let go.

However, as soon as word got out, the director of the department across the hall jumped at the chance to take me in, and the division manager not only authorised the transfer, but also refused to replace me at my original office. ('If she was as lazy as you say and you had to do everything yourselves, you don't really need a secretary - you can go on doing everything yourselves.') So the joke was on them at last. ;D
 

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Cyrillic said:
;D

Good thing that the story had a happy end.
Yep. They should have known that the only way to really eliminate competition is to be better than it. ;D
 

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Arachne said:
Achronos said:
But I'm terribly sorry to hear that. I've already been rejected twice, definitely one of the worse feelings.

Even worse if you have been spoiled like I have been.
I've had my immediate superiors not only try to terminate my position but also kick me out of the company altogether. They would have succeeded, if their superiors hadn't had firsthand evidence of my work quality.

School bullying ain't got diddly on workplace bullying.
On 3/8/2013 5:05:55 AM EST:

The word bullying became entirely vacuous.
 

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Arachne said:
Achronos said:
But I'm terribly sorry to hear that. I've already been rejected twice, definitely one of the worse feelings.

Even worse if you have been spoiled like I have been.
I've had my immediate superiors not only try to terminate my position but also kick me out of the company altogether. They would have succeeded, if their superiors hadn't had firsthand evidence of my work quality.

School bullying ain't got diddly on workplace bullying.
Happening to me right now.

But it was to be expected when you take your Director to HR for an ethical issue.
 

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orthonorm said:
Arachne said:
Achronos said:
But I'm terribly sorry to hear that. I've already been rejected twice, definitely one of the worse feelings.

Even worse if you have been spoiled like I have been.
I've had my immediate superiors not only try to terminate my position but also kick me out of the company altogether. They would have succeeded, if their superiors hadn't had firsthand evidence of my work quality.

School bullying ain't got diddly on workplace bullying.
On 3/8/2013 5:05:55 AM EST:

The word bullying became entirely vacuous.
It's been that way for a while.
 

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vamrat said:
orthonorm said:
Arachne said:
Achronos said:
But I'm terribly sorry to hear that. I've already been rejected twice, definitely one of the worse feelings.

Even worse if you have been spoiled like I have been.
I've had my immediate superiors not only try to terminate my position but also kick me out of the company altogether. They would have succeeded, if their superiors hadn't had firsthand evidence of my work quality.

School bullying ain't got diddly on workplace bullying.
On 3/8/2013 5:05:55 AM EST:

The word bullying became entirely vacuous.
It's been that way for a while.
I've been preaching its near destruction for a while. Anytime I hear some say, "all you need to do is stick up to a bully", I know they've never met a true bully.

There was thread somewhere about this. All I know I lived twice in my life where it was near hell to be a kid.

I remedied the first bullying around age eight or so with a brick repeatedly to someone's head. (Kids were holding my younger brother down try to take out his stitches. And we were the wrong color.)

Then when I had to relocate to a place of my own color. It required a more blunt instrument and much less blunt instrument and a few trips to court and what passed for jail / juvenile confinement.

In both cases, the bullies only stopped cause I had less to lose and was willing to permanently alter their lives. Where I live now, there are people I would do anything not to get mixed with as they have way less than I ever did. Nothing short of killing them would stop their bullying. For better or worse, I still can carry that ugliness and they assume I have almost as less to lose as they do.

I could eat alive every human I work with. I can't imagine what anyone could possibly do which would amount to bullying. And I've been threatened with termination for the most silly of reasons.

It was nothing like having kids hit you with baseball bats who are about twice your size as a kid.
 

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Watched Chavez' funeral; amazing how unabashedly religious it was. The Left needs to be able to incorporate religion in a progressive  way of course.  Militant atheism won't work in many places. And in South America that's what it's doing.
 

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augustin717 said:
Watched Chavez' funeral; amazing how unabashedly religious it was. The Left needs to be able to incorporate religion in a progressive  way of course.  Militant atheism won't work in many places. And in South America that's what it's doing.
Many within the left have been arguing for such movement. Of course the most celebrated and perhaps problematic work on this is Zizek's:

The Fragile Absolute: Or, Why Is the Christian Legacy Worth Fighting For?

http://www.amazon.com/The-Fragile-Absolute-Christian-Essential/dp/1844673022

It is much better appropriation of Christianity than the absent god turn of most Continental Thought over the last few decades. They took Orthodoxy's sometimes over zealous and simplistic love of apophaticism and went pro. The results are as inspiring to listening to as any mystic talking about the incommunicable.
 

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Romaios said:
orthonorm said:
Of course the most celebrated and perhaps problematic work on this is Zizek's:

The Fragile Absolute: Or, Why Is the Christian Legacy Worth Fighting For?
Zizek is a joker. I find it hard to take anything he says seriously.

I've read this, courtesy of Augustin:

The Monstrosity of Christ: Paradox or Dialectic?
I take all jokes seriously and all seriousness jokingly.
 

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orthonorm said:
I take all jokes seriously and all seriousness jokingly.
And this approach yields anything when you read Zizek?  :-\
 

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Romaios said:
orthonorm said:
I take all jokes seriously and all seriousness jokingly.
And this approach yields anything when you read Zizek?  :-\
63% of his schtick he stole from me. He just made it more interesting and smarter and monetized it.

It really pains.

To understand Zizek, you have to have a lot under your belt, then you have to know better than he what he means. Sorta like reading neech, for most irrelevant and chaotic, to others messianic, to real readers quite prescient and instructive.

 

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orthonorm said:
vamrat said:
orthonorm said:
Arachne said:
Achronos said:
But I'm terribly sorry to hear that. I've already been rejected twice, definitely one of the worse feelings.

Even worse if you have been spoiled like I have been.
I've had my immediate superiors not only try to terminate my position but also kick me out of the company altogether. They would have succeeded, if their superiors hadn't had firsthand evidence of my work quality.

School bullying ain't got diddly on workplace bullying.
On 3/8/2013 5:05:55 AM EST:

The word bullying became entirely vacuous.
It's been that way for a while.
I've been preaching its near destruction for a while. Anytime I hear some say, "all you need to do is stick up to a bully", I know they've never met a true bully.

There was thread somewhere about this. All I know I lived twice in my life where it was near hell to be a kid.

I remedied the first bullying around age eight or so with a brick repeatedly to someone's head. (Kids were holding my younger brother down try to take out his stitches. And we were the wrong color.)

Then when I had to relocate to a place of my own color. It required a more blunt instrument and much less blunt instrument and a few trips to court and what passed for jail / juvenile confinement.

In both cases, the bullies only stopped cause I had less to lose and was willing to permanently alter their lives. Where I live now, there are people I would do anything not to get mixed with as they have way less than I ever did. Nothing short of killing them would stop their bullying. For better or worse, I still can carry that ugliness and they assume I have almost as less to lose as they do.

I could eat alive every human I work with. I can't imagine what anyone could possibly do which would amount to bullying. And I've been threatened with termination for the most silly of reasons.

It was nothing like having kids hit you with baseball bats who are about twice your size as a kid.
Yeah.  If it is truly bullying, only violence is effective.  I was always more diplomatic about things.  And by diplomacy I mean that my friends were often bigger and meaner than the bullies.
 

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orthonorm said:
augustin717 said:
Watched Chavez' funeral; amazing how unabashedly religious it was. The Left needs to be able to incorporate religion in a progressive  way of course.  Militant atheism won't work in many places. And in South America that's what it's doing.
Many within the left have been arguing for such movement. Of course the most celebrated and perhaps problematic work on this is Zizek's:

The Fragile Absolute: Or, Why Is the Christian Legacy Worth Fighting For?

http://www.amazon.com/The-Fragile-Absolute-Christian-Essential/dp/1844673022

It is much better appropriation of Christianity than the absent god turn of most Continental Thought over the last few decades. They took Orthodoxy's sometimes over zealous and simplistic love of apophaticism and went pro. The results are as inspiring to listening to as any mystic talking about the incommunicable.
If it wasn't for the atheistic crap, I'd probably be a bit further left than I am now.  Not much, but a bit.
 

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vamrat said:
orthonorm said:
augustin717 said:
Watched Chavez' funeral; amazing how unabashedly religious it was. The Left needs to be able to incorporate religion in a progressive  way of course.  Militant atheism won't work in many places. And in South America that's what it's doing.
Many within the left have been arguing for such movement. Of course the most celebrated and perhaps problematic work on this is Zizek's:

The Fragile Absolute: Or, Why Is the Christian Legacy Worth Fighting For?

http://www.amazon.com/The-Fragile-Absolute-Christian-Essential/dp/1844673022

It is much better appropriation of Christianity than the absent god turn of most Continental Thought over the last few decades. They took Orthodoxy's sometimes over zealous and simplistic love of apophaticism and went pro. The results are as inspiring to listening to as any mystic talking about the incommunicable.
If it wasn't for the atheistic crap, I'd probably be a bit further left than I am now.  Not much, but a bit.
eh, atheism isn't really crap, only when imposed dogmatically. Just like religion.
 

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orthonorm said:
...then you have to know better than he what he means.
Like he himself thinks he knows better than Hegel what the latter meant... Oh well - it must be the hermeneutic spiral (or vicious circle). 

 

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augustin717 said:
vamrat said:
orthonorm said:
augustin717 said:
Watched Chavez' funeral; amazing how unabashedly religious it was. The Left needs to be able to incorporate religion in a progressive  way of course.  Militant atheism won't work in many places. And in South America that's what it's doing.
Many within the left have been arguing for such movement. Of course the most celebrated and perhaps problematic work on this is Zizek's:

The Fragile Absolute: Or, Why Is the Christian Legacy Worth Fighting For?

http://www.amazon.com/The-Fragile-Absolute-Christian-Essential/dp/1844673022

It is much better appropriation of Christianity than the absent god turn of most Continental Thought over the last few decades. They took Orthodoxy's sometimes over zealous and simplistic love of apophaticism and went pro. The results are as inspiring to listening to as any mystic talking about the incommunicable.
If it wasn't for the atheistic crap, I'd probably be a bit further left than I am now.  Not much, but a bit.
eh, atheism isn't really crap, only when imposed dogmatically. Just like religion.
I know very few who aren't dogmatic about it.  Those few are exempted from my usual poo-list.
 

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vamrat said:
orthonorm said:
vamrat said:
orthonorm said:
Arachne said:
Achronos said:
But I'm terribly sorry to hear that. I've already been rejected twice, definitely one of the worse feelings.

Even worse if you have been spoiled like I have been.
I've had my immediate superiors not only try to terminate my position but also kick me out of the company altogether. They would have succeeded, if their superiors hadn't had firsthand evidence of my work quality.

School bullying ain't got diddly on workplace bullying.
On 3/8/2013 5:05:55 AM EST:

The word bullying became entirely vacuous.
It's been that way for a while.
I've been preaching its near destruction for a while. Anytime I hear some say, "all you need to do is stick up to a bully", I know they've never met a true bully.

There was thread somewhere about this. All I know I lived twice in my life where it was near hell to be a kid.

I remedied the first bullying around age eight or so with a brick repeatedly to someone's head. (Kids were holding my younger brother down try to take out his stitches. And we were the wrong color.)

Then when I had to relocate to a place of my own color. It required a more blunt instrument and much less blunt instrument and a few trips to court and what passed for jail / juvenile confinement.

In both cases, the bullies only stopped cause I had less to lose and was willing to permanently alter their lives. Where I live now, there are people I would do anything not to get mixed with as they have way less than I ever did. Nothing short of killing them would stop their bullying. For better or worse, I still can carry that ugliness and they assume I have almost as less to lose as they do.

I could eat alive every human I work with. I can't imagine what anyone could possibly do which would amount to bullying. And I've been threatened with termination for the most silly of reasons.

It was nothing like having kids hit you with baseball bats who are about twice your size as a kid.
Yeah.  If it is truly bullying, only violence is effective.  I was always more diplomatic about things.  And by diplomacy I mean that my friends were often bigger and meaner than the bullies.
So it's not real bullying if there's no blood to show for it?

Thanks, I needed the guffaw today. :D
 

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So besides this bullying thing at work.

You know what really sucks?

Is when your department suffers a lot of turnover.

When people quit for new jobs, and you are still stuck at yours.

It is seriously so depressing.

I feel so worthless right now.
 

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Arachne said:
vamrat said:
orthonorm said:
vamrat said:
orthonorm said:
Arachne said:
Achronos said:
But I'm terribly sorry to hear that. I've already been rejected twice, definitely one of the worse feelings.

Even worse if you have been spoiled like I have been.
I've had my immediate superiors not only try to terminate my position but also kick me out of the company altogether. They would have succeeded, if their superiors hadn't had firsthand evidence of my work quality.

School bullying ain't got diddly on workplace bullying.
On 3/8/2013 5:05:55 AM EST:

The word bullying became entirely vacuous.
It's been that way for a while.
I've been preaching its near destruction for a while. Anytime I hear some say, "all you need to do is stick up to a bully", I know they've never met a true bully.

There was thread somewhere about this. All I know I lived twice in my life where it was near hell to be a kid.

I remedied the first bullying around age eight or so with a brick repeatedly to someone's head. (Kids were holding my younger brother down try to take out his stitches. And we were the wrong color.)

Then when I had to relocate to a place of my own color. It required a more blunt instrument and much less blunt instrument and a few trips to court and what passed for jail / juvenile confinement.

In both cases, the bullies only stopped cause I had less to lose and was willing to permanently alter their lives. Where I live now, there are people I would do anything not to get mixed with as they have way less than I ever did. Nothing short of killing them would stop their bullying. For better or worse, I still can carry that ugliness and they assume I have almost as less to lose as they do.

I could eat alive every human I work with. I can't imagine what anyone could possibly do which would amount to bullying. And I've been threatened with termination for the most silly of reasons.

It was nothing like having kids hit you with baseball bats who are about twice your size as a kid.
Yeah.  If it is truly bullying, only violence is effective.  I was always more diplomatic about things.  And by diplomacy I mean that my friends were often bigger and meaner than the bullies.
So it's not real bullying if there's no blood to show for it?

Thanks, I needed the guffaw today. :D
Always glad to help!
 

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To understand Zizek, you have to have a lot under your belt, then you have to know better than he what he means. Sorta like reading neech, for most irrelevant and chaotic, to others messianic, to real readers quite prescient and instructive.
Fwiw, I think it's too flattering for Zizek to be compared with Nietzsche. Nietzsche was an inspired fool - Zizek is but a clown.

Take their attitude towards Christianity: Nietzsche is much more honest. Zizek continues down the line of Hegel and Feuerbach, pretending to have understood and assimilated das Wesentliche daran, dismissing the rest as superstitious chaff. Zizek on Christianity is pure and worthless sophistry... Pilate (or rather Herod the fox) paying his respects to Christ.     
 

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Romaios said:
orthonorm said:
To understand Zizek, you have to have a lot under your belt, then you have to know better than he what he means. Sorta like reading neech, for most irrelevant and chaotic, to others messianic, to real readers quite prescient and instructive.
Fwiw, I think it's too flattering for Zizek to be compared with Nietzsche. Nietzsche was an inspired fool - Zizek is but a clown.

Take their attitude towards Christianity: Nietzsche is much more honest. Zizek continues down the line of Hegel and Feuerbach, pretending to have understood and assimilated das Wesentliche daran, dismissing the rest as superstitious chaff. Zizek on Christianity is pure and worthless sophistry... Pilate (or rather Herod the fox) paying his respects to Christ.     
Wow.

What's your background Romaios?
 

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What's your background Romaios?
I dropped out of philosophy after two years and switched to Classics. I don't have Hegel, Marx or Lacan anywhere under my belt. ;) 
 

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Romaios said:
Achronos said:
What's your background Romaios?
I dropped out of philosophy after two years and switched to Classics. I don't have Hegel, Marx or Lacan anywhere under my belt. ;) 
LOL is that a good thing, or was that a jab at orthonorm?

You don't have to answer if its personal, but why did you drop out of philosophy? Why classics?
 
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