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So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.
 

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Cyrillic said:
So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.
Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
 
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So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.
Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Unprofessional yes, but maybe he is curious as well? Would you care to tell us how the conversation went on?
 

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We were talking about some of the books we were reading. He was reading Venerable Bede and I was reading St. Clement of Alexandria. Then he said he was going to a big icon exposition in a museum. I said I knew about that one and that I was going too. That's it.
 

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So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.
Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
 
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We were talking about some of the books we were reading. He was reading Venerable Bede and I was reading St. Clement of Alexandria. Then he said he was going to a big icon exposition in a museum. I said I knew about that one and that I was going too. That's it.
Hmm.  It is a big strange indeed.  Guess we will never know what was in his head...I mean the reason for bringing this up...I assume he already knew about your interest in Orthodoxy...Well I tend to think of such situations in following manner: you have unintentionally acted as a missionary by being a living example that anybody can be Orthodox...perhaps that might inspire him to looked into it even further. ;)
 
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So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.
Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
It's personal and private information that should not be discussed at work or in school unless both parties mutually agree to it...that is my understanding...
 

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So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.
Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
It's personal and private information that should not be discussed at work or in school unless both parties mutually agree to it...that is my understanding...
Did either say they didn't want to talk about it?  Are instructors not supposed to take an interest in their students?  Or is this just the standard response these days?
 

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So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.
Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
Because it has nothing to do with his profession.
 

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Hmm.  It is a big strange indeed.  Guess we will never know what was in his head...I mean the reason for bringing this up...I assume he already knew about your interest in Orthodoxy...Well I tend to think of such situations in following manner: you have unintentionally acted as a missionary by being a living example that anybody can be Orthodox...perhaps that might inspire him to looked into it even further. ;)
No, he didn't. But it's okay, he's my favorite teacher. And yes, perhaps he'll look into Orthodoxy  :angel:
 

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So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.
Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
Because it has nothing to do with his profession.
That seems a bit rigid to me. Can teachers and students never form friendships? I agree that one has to be careful, but I've had close friendships with many of my teachers, and I talked about my spiritual struggles with my PhD supervisor. People are not robots with neat mental compartments called "professional" and "personal"; your personal life does have an effect on your professional life.

For example, if you are going through personal troubles, for example, that can impinge on professional performance, and I would admire a supervisor who took that into account when evaluating your performance, rather than use it as a pretext to fire you.

I think what would be unprofessional is if your teacher went on to use your choice of religion to give you better or worse grades, regardless of how you performed in the subject. But taking a friendly interest is not a problem, IMHO.
 

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That seems a bit rigid to me. Can teachers and students never form friendships? I agree that one has to be careful, but I've had close friendships with many of my teachers, and I talked about my spiritual struggles with my PhD supervisor. People are not robots with neat mental compartments called "professional" and "personal"; your personal life does have an effect on your professional life.

For example, if you are going through personal troubles, for example, that can impinge on professional performance, and I would admire a supervisor who took that into account when evaluating your performance, rather than use it as a pretext to fire you.

I think what would be unprofessional is if your teacher went on to use your choice of religion to give you better or worse grades, regardless of how you performed in the subject. But taking a friendly interest is not a problem, IMHO.
I think College is a bad example here because that interaction is between two adults. In High School, the interaction is between a "Child" and an Adult acting In Loco Parentis, so the adult has to be more careful. IMO It is always better to err on the side of caution and not talk about religion in this case.
 

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I think College is a bad example here because that interaction is between two adults. In High School, the interaction is between a "Child" and an Adult acting In Loco Parentis, so the adult has to be more careful. IMO It is always better to err on the side of caution and not talk about religion in this case.
Actually, I'm legally adult.
 

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I think College is a bad example here because that interaction is between two adults. In High School, the interaction is between a "Child" and an Adult acting In Loco Parentis, so the adult has to be more careful. IMO It is always better to err on the side of caution and not talk about religion in this case.
Actually, I'm legally adult.
Did your professor know that?
 

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I think College is a bad example here because that interaction is between two adults. In High School, the interaction is between a "Child" and an Adult acting In Loco Parentis, so the adult has to be more careful. IMO It is always better to err on the side of caution and not talk about religion in this case.
Actually, I'm legally adult.
Did your professor know that?
Yes. Everyone in my year is either 18 or almost eighteen.
 

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So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.
Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
Because it has nothing to do with his profession.
And? Neither did "everyday things".  I find it more than slightly foolhardy to expect a teacher to have absolutely zero discussion with someone other than their specific field they teach.  If the teacher were argumentative, sure I get it, but just random discussion and folks reacting as if someone just offered their child a dirty drug needle is well...kind of dumb.  I had plenty of teachers who knew me on a personal level and it never intefered with their duties and never got out of hand with it.  They were in no way unprofessional.  Me thinks society needs to taps the breaks on the knee jerk reactionary offendedness.  If teachers can discuss politics with their students, which they do, then don't cherry pick. Especially if its just random conversation over pizza, or at a football game, or after school, or at the mall when you bump into one another, or...you get the picture.  Some of the best teachers I had were real people, not teaching robots.
 

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Hmm.  It is a big strange indeed.  Guess we will never know what was in his head...I mean the reason for bringing this up...I assume he already knew about your interest in Orthodoxy...Well I tend to think of such situations in following manner: you have unintentionally acted as a missionary by being a living example that anybody can be Orthodox...perhaps that might inspire him to looked into it even further. ;)
No, he didn't. But it's okay, he's my favorite teacher. And yes, perhaps he'll look into Orthodoxy  :angel:
Perhaps heft comfortable asking you since he knows and trusts you.
 

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I think College is a bad example here because that interaction is between two adults. In High School, the interaction is between a "Child" and an Adult acting In Loco Parentis, so the adult has to be more careful. IMO It is always better to err on the side of caution and not talk about religion in this case.
Actually, I'm legally adult.
Did your professor know that?
Yes. Everyone in my year is either 18 or almost eighteen.
Ok, probably not the best example, but generally speaking, I think it's unwise for teachers to discuss religion with their students outside of the lecture environment.
 

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So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.
Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
Because it has nothing to do with his profession.
That seems a bit rigid to me. Can teachers and students never form friendships? I agree that one has to be careful, but I've had close friendships with many of my teachers, and I talked about my spiritual struggles with my PhD supervisor. People are not robots with neat mental compartments called "professional" and "personal"; your personal life does have an effect on your professional life.

For example, if you are going through personal troubles, for example, that can impinge on professional performance, and I would admire a supervisor who took that into account when evaluating your performance, rather than use it as a pretext to fire you.

I think what would be unprofessional is if your teacher went on to use your choice of religion to give you better or worse grades, regardless of how you performed in the subject. But taking a friendly interest is not a problem, IMHO.
Agreed.  Professional is knowing where to draw the line and not allowing personal to alter professional.
 

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That seems a bit rigid to me. Can teachers and students never form friendships? I agree that one has to be careful, but I've had close friendships with many of my teachers, and I talked about my spiritual struggles with my PhD supervisor. People are not robots with neat mental compartments called "professional" and "personal"; your personal life does have an effect on your professional life.

For example, if you are going through personal troubles, for example, that can impinge on professional performance, and I would admire a supervisor who took that into account when evaluating your performance, rather than use it as a pretext to fire you.

I think what would be unprofessional is if your teacher went on to use your choice of religion to give you better or worse grades, regardless of how you performed in the subject. But taking a friendly interest is not a problem, IMHO.
I think College is a bad example here because that interaction is between two adults. In High School, the interaction is between a "Child" and an Adult acting In Loco Parentis, so the adult has to be more careful. IMO It is always better to err on the side of caution and not talk about religion in this case.
Or anything outside their specialize field within the context of the classroom.

Student:  "Mr. Kerdy, (with tears in eyes) I need to talk with someone and I don't trust any other adult but you.
Mr. Kerdy:  "Sorry kid.  If it doesn't have to do with class work, find a classmate."
 

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So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.
Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
Because it has nothing to do with his profession.
And? Neither did "everyday things".  I find it more than slightly foolhardy to expect a teacher to have absolutely zero discussion with someone other than their specific field they teach.  If the teacher were argumentative, sure I get it, but just random discussion and folks reacting as if someone just offered their child a dirty drug needle is well...kind of dumb.  I had plenty of teachers who knew me on a personal level and it never intefered with their duties and never got out of hand with it.  They were in no way unprofessional.  Me thinks society needs to taps the breaks on the knee jerk reactionary offendedness.  If teachers can discuss politics with their students, which they do, then don't cherry pick. Especially if its just random conversation over pizza, or at a football game, or after school, or at the mall when you bump into one another, or...you get the picture.  Some of the best teachers I had were real people, not teaching robots.
I think it's better to err on the side of caution in most of these situations, especially in a litigious society such as ours.
 

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I think College is a bad example here because that interaction is between two adults. In High School, the interaction is between a "Child" and an Adult acting In Loco Parentis, so the adult has to be more careful. IMO It is always better to err on the side of caution and not talk about religion in this case.
Actually, I'm legally adult.
Did your professor know that?
Not if he followed the separation mentality.  He wouldn't know anything but his work performance and last name.
 

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So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.
Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
Because it has nothing to do with his profession.
And? Neither did "everyday things".  I find it more than slightly foolhardy to expect a teacher to have absolutely zero discussion with someone other than their specific field they teach.  If the teacher were argumentative, sure I get it, but just random discussion and folks reacting as if someone just offered their child a dirty drug needle is well...kind of dumb.  I had plenty of teachers who knew me on a personal level and it never intefered with their duties and never got out of hand with it.  They were in no way unprofessional.  Me thinks society needs to taps the breaks on the knee jerk reactionary offendedness.  If teachers can discuss politics with their students, which they do, then don't cherry pick. Especially if its just random conversation over pizza, or at a football game, or after school, or at the mall when you bump into one another, or...you get the picture.  Some of the best teachers I had were real people, not teaching robots.
I think it's better to err on the side of caution in most of these situations, especially in a litigious society such as ours.
If you mean to protect the teacher from legal action, sadly I understand.
 

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So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.
Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
Because it has nothing to do with his profession.
And? Neither did "everyday things".  I find it more than slightly foolhardy to expect a teacher to have absolutely zero discussion with someone other than their specific field they teach.  If the teacher were argumentative, sure I get it, but just random discussion and folks reacting as if someone just offered their child a dirty drug needle is well...kind of dumb.  I had plenty of teachers who knew me on a personal level and it never intefered with their duties and never got out of hand with it.  They were in no way unprofessional.  Me thinks society needs to taps the breaks on the knee jerk reactionary offendedness.  If teachers can discuss politics with their students, which they do, then don't cherry pick. Especially if its just random conversation over pizza, or at a football game, or after school, or at the mall when you bump into one another, or...you get the picture.  Some of the best teachers I had were real people, not teaching robots.
I think it's better to err on the side of caution in most of these situations, especially in a litigious society such as ours.
If you mean to protect the teacher from legal action, sadly I understand.
Yes, like I said, I was advocating caution when discussing sensitive topics. The nothing to do with his profession thing was supposed to be a joke.
 

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So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.
Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
Because it has nothing to do with his profession.
And? Neither did "everyday things".  I find it more than slightly foolhardy to expect a teacher to have absolutely zero discussion with someone other than their specific field they teach.  If the teacher were argumentative, sure I get it, but just random discussion and folks reacting as if someone just offered their child a dirty drug needle is well...kind of dumb.  I had plenty of teachers who knew me on a personal level and it never intefered with their duties and never got out of hand with it.  They were in no way unprofessional.  Me thinks society needs to taps the breaks on the knee jerk reactionary offendedness.  If teachers can discuss politics with their students, which they do, then don't cherry pick. Especially if its just random conversation over pizza, or at a football game, or after school, or at the mall when you bump into one another, or...you get the picture.  Some of the best teachers I had were real people, not teaching robots.
I think it's better to err on the side of caution in most of these situations, especially in a litigious society such as ours.
If you mean to protect the teacher from legal action, sadly I understand.
Yes, like I said, I was advocating caution when discussing sensitive topics. The nothing to do with his profession thing was supposed to be a joke.
Ooooh... :-[

I misunderstood.  My apologies!
 

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So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.
Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
Because it has nothing to do with his profession.
And? Neither did "everyday things".  I find it more than slightly foolhardy to expect a teacher to have absolutely zero discussion with someone other than their specific field they teach.  If the teacher were argumentative, sure I get it, but just random discussion and folks reacting as if someone just offered their child a dirty drug needle is well...kind of dumb.  I had plenty of teachers who knew me on a personal level and it never intefered with their duties and never got out of hand with it.  They were in no way unprofessional.  Me thinks society needs to taps the breaks on the knee jerk reactionary offendedness.  If teachers can discuss politics with their students, which they do, then don't cherry pick. Especially if its just random conversation over pizza, or at a football game, or after school, or at the mall when you bump into one another, or...you get the picture.  Some of the best teachers I had were real people, not teaching robots.
I think it's better to err on the side of caution in most of these situations, especially in a litigious society such as ours.
If you mean to protect the teacher from legal action, sadly I understand.
Yes, like I said, I was advocating caution when discussing sensitive topics. The nothing to do with his profession thing was supposed to be a joke.
Ooooh... :-[

I misunderstood.  My apologies!
No worries, it's not the first time there's been a misunderstanding on the internet. God knows I've had many myself.
 

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Sometimes it's on cable. Depends on where you live. Also, Hulu.com runs TV shows online, maybe it's there? :)

And I'm pretty sure it's on DVD. Try eBay.  :)
 

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I miss The Cosby Show.
Sometimes it's on cable. Depends on where you live. Also, Hulu.com runs TV shows online, maybe it's there? :)

And I'm pretty sure it's on DVD. Try eBay.  :)
I might try that.  :)
 

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I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a big reptile and amphibian enthusiast. They are pretty much the only pets I could keep at an apartment complex, since they only need a glass tank to live in. I'm going to be purchasing two more crested geckos this weekend :)
 

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I have been thinking about finishing my translation of the Apostolic Fathers and Justin Martyr into Dutch, which would be their first translation into that language, but I'm so lazy. Perhaps in a few weeks...
 

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I have been thinking about finishing my translation of the Apostolic Fathers and Justin Martyr into Dutch, which would be their first translation into that language, but I'm so lazy. Perhaps in a few weeks...
How long have you studied greek, Cyrillic?
 
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