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[Alpo]

I classify Modern Art as anything similar to cubism, surrealism, expressionism, futurism, abstract, etc.

So basically you don't know what you're talking about. Not that I'd know anything from Modern Art but different styles cannot be lumped together like that.

:  I didn't say they were similar to each other.  I said anything similar to those different styles.  If you want me to list all 100 some odd art styles that have come out in the last 100 years, I can surely go wikipedia it, but those are the ones that come to mind.

You missed the point. Saying "Modern Art = Yuck" is basically like saying "ethnic food = yuck" and then "I classify ethnic food as anything similar to Canadian, Moroccon, Norwegian, Chinese, etc."

 

[orthonorm]

Just found out i get into the Museum of Modern Art for free, because i go to a SUNY school

Modern Art = yuck  

What do you mean by Modern Art?

I classify Modern Art as anything similar to cubism, surrealism, expressionism, futurism, abstract, etc.

And objectively speaking, it is terrible. It is the one thing I agree with Hitler on.

You sure Hitler believed that?

One could argue that modernism from fashion, to architecture, to graphic design, to technological appropriation, to socio-political understanding of the family, to military science, to rhetoric, to, to and certainly film, the Nazis were not only the product of modernism and modernity but furthered both quite extensively.

Here is a quote of his.  You can read expanded sections of the speech here: http://www.mariabuszek.com/kcai/Expressionism/Readings/HitlerGrmnArt.pdf

Art, on the one hand, was defined as nothing but an international communal experience,
thus killing altogether any understanding of its integral relationship with an ethnic group. On the
other hand its relationship to time w as stressed, that is: There was no longer any art of peoples
or even of races, but only an art of the times. [...]
According to such a theory, as a matter of fact, art and art activities are lumped together
with the handiwork of our modern tailor shops and fashion industries. And to be sure, following
the maxim: Every year something new. One day Impressionism, then Futurism, Cubism, maybe
even Dadaism, etc. A further result is that even for the most insane and inane monstrosities
thousands of catchwords to label them will have to be found, and have indeed been found. If it
weren”t so sad in one sense, it would almost be a lot of fun to list all the slogans and clichés with
which the so-called “art initiates” have described and explained their wretched products in recent
years....
Until the moment when National-Socialism took power, there existed in Germany a socalled
“modern art,” that is, to be sure, almost every year another one, as the very meaning of
this word indicates. National-Socialist Germany, however, wants again a “German Art,” and this
art shall and will be of eternal value, as are all truly creative values of a people. Should this art,
however, again lack this eternal value for our people, then indeed it will mean that it also has no
higher value today.

Uhhhh . . . you post this as if I wasn't subject to reading unfortunately nearly every word written on the state of aesthetics in the German Speaking World from around the Weimar Republic until 1960. Then there was all the all the other less specifically directed reading around aesthetics.

So, how is the above not modernity and the modern par excellence?

Probably the part where HE NAMES THEM

Names what? In light of what does "art" begin to able to be placed into such orders?

 

[TheTrisagion]

Orthonorm: I have zero interest in spending any more time explaining to you that Hitler did not like modern art.  If you can't be bothered to google it and see the bounty of evidence about it, neither can I.

Alpo:  Your analogy fails.  By saying ethnic food, you mean anything outside of American food which is almost all food.  By me saying modern art, I am refering to a subset of art that was created within the last 100-150 years.  It is a much smaller subset similar to me saying fast food = yuck and by fast food, I mean hamburgers, fries and coke.

 

[Alpo]

Alpo:  Your analogy fails.  By saying ethnic food, you mean anything outside of American food which is almost all food.  By me saying modern art, I am refering to a subset of art that was created within the last 100-150 years.  It is a much smaller subset similar to me saying fast food = yuck and by fast food, I mean hamburgers, fries and coke.

It didn't really fail since you understood my point. Modern Art might be smaller subset but large enoug to make sweeping statements like "Modern Art = Yuck" really quite nonsensical.

 

[TheTrisagion]

Alpo:  Your analogy fails.  By saying ethnic food, you mean anything outside of American food which is almost all food.  By me saying modern art, I am refering to a subset of art that was created within the last 100-150 years.  It is a much smaller subset similar to me saying fast food = yuck and by fast food, I mean hamburgers, fries and coke.

It didn't really fail since you understood my point. Modern Art might be smaller subset but large enoug to make sweeping statements like "Modern Art = Yuck" really quite nonsensical.

Since you insist on being argumentative, go take 50 pictures from different art eras and ask anyone on the street.  Very few people are going to have difficult in labeling which ones are "modern art".  They may be confused on Impressionism, but the styles I named would not be confused by anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of art.

 

[Alpo]

Alpo:  Your analogy fails.  By saying ethnic food, you mean anything outside of American food which is almost all food.  By me saying modern art, I am refering to a subset of art that was created within the last 100-150 years.  It is a much smaller subset similar to me saying fast food = yuck and by fast food, I mean hamburgers, fries and coke.

It didn't really fail since you understood my point. Modern Art might be smaller subset but large enoug to make sweeping statements like "Modern Art = Yuck" really quite nonsensical.

Since you insist on being argumentative, go take 50 pictures from different art eras and ask anyone on the street.  Very few people are going to have difficult in labeling which ones are "modern art".  They may be confused on Impressionism, but the styles I named would not be confused by anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of art.

Most of the people are wrong about everything anyway.

 

[orthonorm]

Alpo:  Your analogy fails.  By saying ethnic food, you mean anything outside of American food which is almost all food.  By me saying modern art, I am refering to a subset of art that was created within the last 100-150 years.  It is a much smaller subset similar to me saying fast food = yuck and by fast food, I mean hamburgers, fries and coke.

It didn't really fail since you understood my point. Modern Art might be smaller subset but large enoug to make sweeping statements like "Modern Art = Yuck" really quite nonsensical.

Since you insist on being argumentative, go take 50 pictures from different art eras and ask anyone on the street.  Very few people are going to have difficult in labeling which ones are "modern art".  They may be confused on Impressionism, but the styles I named would not be confused by anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of art.

Most of the people are wrong about everything anyway.

Where's that one poster who is always posting those weird quizes in an attempt to disparage so-called "modern art" and the like?

 

[orthonorm]

Orthonorm: I have zero interest in spending any more time explaining to you that Hitler did not like modern art.  If you can't be bothered to google it and see the bounty of evidence about it, neither can I.

Google it? Dude, I've read it in a relatively critical fashion along with pretty much everything who was screaming into a microphone around that time about modern decadence as well.

If you are incapable of being able to do more than give quotes of Hitler criticizing "artistic movements" (an entire modern notion) rather than have an interest in understanding how in fact, Hitler in that very act was engaging in modernity and that the entire Nazi apparatus was fashioned out of modernity and served only to further it, which often calls for a reactionary screed against modernity to do so.

Trivia is trivia.

Again, show me how you read and I'll tell you who are, to quote one of my favorite sometime Nazi sometime reactionary thinker.

 

[TheTrisagion]

Orthonorm: I have zero interest in spending any more time explaining to you that Hitler did not like modern art.  If you can't be bothered to google it and see the bounty of evidence about it, neither can I.

Google it? Dude, I've read it in a relatively critical fashion along with pretty much everything who was screaming into a microphone around that time about modern decadence as well.

If you are incapable of being able to do more than give quotes of Hitler criticizing "artistic movements" (an entire modern notion) rather than have an interest in understanding how in fact, Hitler in that very act was engaging in modernity and that the entire Nazi apparatus was fashioned out of modernity and served only to further it, which often calls for a reactionary screed against modernity to do so.

Trivia is trivia.

Again, show me how you read and I'll tell you who are, to quote one of my favorite sometime Nazi sometime reactionary thinker.

:  While I grovel at your enormous intellect and knowledge on every conceivable topic, none of that has anything to do with my offhand comment that the only thing I agree with Hitler on is his distate for modern art.  I made no comment on the Nazi approach to modernism in general, the facisist philosophy on modern decadence or any other such drivel.  If I wanted to have a conversation on those, I would have pushed NEW TOPIC and typed: "Hey everyone, what do you think about the Nazi's approach to modernism in the years leading up to WWII.  Do you think that Hitler's reaction to modern art was, in effect, a preview of more modernist thinking and actually shaped the post war years in ways that we could not have anticipated given the nationalistic tendencies that prevailed in pre-war Europe?"  I would have then labeled the topic "Nazism and Modernism" and put it in the politics forum.

 

[Jonathan Gress]

Orthonorm: I have zero interest in spending any more time explaining to you that Hitler did not like modern art.  If you can't be bothered to google it and see the bounty of evidence about it, neither can I.

Google it? Dude, I've read it in a relatively critical fashion along with pretty much everything who was screaming into a microphone around that time about modern decadence as well.

If you are incapable of being able to do more than give quotes of Hitler criticizing "artistic movements" (an entire modern notion) rather than have an interest in understanding how in fact, Hitler in that very act was engaging in modernity and that the entire Nazi apparatus was fashioned out of modernity and served only to further it, which often calls for a reactionary screed against modernity to do so.

Trivia is trivia.

Again, show me how you read and I'll tell you who are, to quote one of my favorite sometime Nazi sometime reactionary thinker.

:  While I grovel at your enormous intellect and knowledge on every conceivable topic, none of that has anything to do with my offhand comment that the only thing I agree with Hitler on is his distate for modern art.  I made no comment on the Nazi approach to modernism in general, the facisist philosophy on modern decadence or any other such drivel.  If I wanted to have a conversation on those, I would have pushed NEW TOPIC and typed: "Hey everyone, what do you think about the Nazi's approach to modernism in the years leading up to WWII.  Do you think that Hitler's reaction to modern art was, in effect, a preview of more modernist thinking and actually shaped the post war years in ways that we could not have anticipated given the nationalistic tendencies that prevailed in pre-war Europe?"  I would have then labeled the topic "Nazism and Modernism" and put it in the politics forum.

Don't feed the narcissist.

 

[Cyrillic]

This is getting way to serious for random postings.

So, what does everyone think of purple clowns with green noses?

 

[Ansgar]

This is getting way to serious for random postings.

So, what does everyone think of purple clowns with green noses?

You have those? We only have white clowns with red noses.

Our clown population is very homogeneous.

 

[augustin717]

Cutting up and taing the carpet out of a 2 bedroom apt and still manage to write here

 

[J Michael]

This is getting way to serious for random postings.

So, what does everyone think of purple clowns with green noses?

Hey, nobody said random couldn't be serious.

The first thing that came to my mind I read "purple clowns with green noses" was....."don't feed the narcissist."  ;D ;D

 

[Achronos]

Orthonorm: I have zero interest in spending any more time explaining to you that Hitler did not like modern art.  If you can't be bothered to google it and see the bounty of evidence about it, neither can I.

Google it? Dude, I've read it in a relatively critical fashion along with pretty much everything who was screaming into a microphone around that time about modern decadence as well.

If you are incapable of being able to do more than give quotes of Hitler criticizing "artistic movements" (an entire modern notion) rather than have an interest in understanding how in fact, Hitler in that very act was engaging in modernity and that the entire Nazi apparatus was fashioned out of modernity and served only to further it, which often calls for a reactionary screed against modernity to do so.

Trivia is trivia.

Again, show me how you read and I'll tell you who are, to quote one of my favorite sometime Nazi sometime reactionary thinker.

:  While I grovel at your enormous intellect and knowledge on every conceivable topic, none of that has anything to do with my offhand comment that the only thing I agree with Hitler on is his distate for modern art.  I made no comment on the Nazi approach to modernism in general, the facisist philosophy on modern decadence or any other such drivel.  If I wanted to have a conversation on those, I would have pushed NEW TOPIC and typed: "Hey everyone, what do you think about the Nazi's approach to modernism in the years leading up to WWII.  Do you think that Hitler's reaction to modern art was, in effect, a preview of more modernist thinking and actually shaped the post war years in ways that we could not have anticipated given the nationalistic tendencies that prevailed in pre-war Europe?"  I would have then labeled the topic "Nazism and Modernism" and put it in the politics forum.

Don't feed the narcissist.

orthonorm is a lot of things, but a narcissist? good lord no, roflllllll

i dont know why you all insult him, i think hes one of the nicest people around and doesnt make a point to rub his genius in yo face.

maybe i have too thick skin, but his disparaging remarks to me over the years has been more than helpful. rather get blunt honestly than nice lying.

 

[TheTrisagion]

Orthonorm: I have zero interest in spending any more time explaining to you that Hitler did not like modern art.  If you can't be bothered to google it and see the bounty of evidence about it, neither can I.

Google it? Dude, I've read it in a relatively critical fashion along with pretty much everything who was screaming into a microphone around that time about modern decadence as well.

If you are incapable of being able to do more than give quotes of Hitler criticizing "artistic movements" (an entire modern notion) rather than have an interest in understanding how in fact, Hitler in that very act was engaging in modernity and that the entire Nazi apparatus was fashioned out of modernity and served only to further it, which often calls for a reactionary screed against modernity to do so.

Trivia is trivia.

Again, show me how you read and I'll tell you who are, to quote one of my favorite sometime Nazi sometime reactionary thinker.

:  While I grovel at your enormous intellect and knowledge on every conceivable topic, none of that has anything to do with my offhand comment that the only thing I agree with Hitler on is his distate for modern art.  I made no comment on the Nazi approach to modernism in general, the facisist philosophy on modern decadence or any other such drivel.  If I wanted to have a conversation on those, I would have pushed NEW TOPIC and typed: "Hey everyone, what do you think about the Nazi's approach to modernism in the years leading up to WWII.  Do you think that Hitler's reaction to modern art was, in effect, a preview of more modernist thinking and actually shaped the post war years in ways that we could not have anticipated given the nationalistic tendencies that prevailed in pre-war Europe?"  I would have then labeled the topic "Nazism and Modernism" and put it in the politics forum.

Don't feed the narcissist.

orthonorm is a lot of things, but a narcissist? good lord no, roflllllll

i dont know why you all insult him, i think hes one of the nicest people around and doesnt make a point to rub his genius in yo face.

maybe i have too thick skin, but his disparaging remarks to me over the years has been more than helpful. rather get blunt honestly than nice lying.

Well to paraphrase your sig line:

It would be helpful if Orthonorm was born with an OFF switch.

 

 

[Achronos]

i think he already has that. its called deafening silence.

 

[TheTrisagion]

i think he already has that. its called deafening silence.

Perhaps it should be used more often. 

 

[orthonorm]

Orthonorm: I have zero interest in spending any more time explaining to you that Hitler did not like modern art.  If you can't be bothered to google it and see the bounty of evidence about it, neither can I.

Google it? Dude, I've read it in a relatively critical fashion along with pretty much everything who was screaming into a microphone around that time about modern decadence as well.

If you are incapable of being able to do more than give quotes of Hitler criticizing "artistic movements" (an entire modern notion) rather than have an interest in understanding how in fact, Hitler in that very act was engaging in modernity and that the entire Nazi apparatus was fashioned out of modernity and served only to further it, which often calls for a reactionary screed against modernity to do so.

Trivia is trivia.

Again, show me how you read and I'll tell you who are, to quote one of my favorite sometime Nazi sometime reactionary thinker.

:  While I grovel at your enormous intellect and knowledge on every conceivable topic, none of that has anything to do with my offhand comment that the only thing I agree with Hitler on is his distate for modern art.  I made no comment on the Nazi approach to modernism in general, the facisist philosophy on modern decadence or any other such drivel.  If I wanted to have a conversation on those, I would have pushed NEW TOPIC and typed: "Hey everyone, what do you think about the Nazi's approach to modernism in the years leading up to WWII.  Do you think that Hitler's reaction to modern art was, in effect, a preview of more modernist thinking and actually shaped the post war years in ways that we could not have anticipated given the nationalistic tendencies that prevailed in pre-war Europe?"  I would have then labeled the topic "Nazism and Modernism" and put it in the politics forum.

Don't feed the narcissist.

I am quoting you Jonathan, just cause to keep the gratuitous insults going against. It's awesome how you all do.

Anyhoo, Tri, I really don't care what people might think in a poll about what Hitler liked and what he didn't. But since you like trivia, so be it. Here is an obvious one:

Do you think Hitler approved or enjoyed such artistic demonstrations?

How would you describe in a general aesthetic sense these parades?

We can watch The Triumph of the Will later and discuss where exactly it fits in aesthetically.

 

[orthonorm]

Here is a speech from the Hitler. (youtube might warn you that it is offensive)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGhdX1SI3KY&bpctr=1370563202

How do you describe the editing of this speech and how it is related to the content? Are you familiar with how such programs were edited at this time for such events? How would you describe Hitler's famous haircut and mustache, especially in light of certain fashion trends within women's fashion during the Weimar Republic which I think we both can agree casts an enormous shadow over the Nazi project.

What about his delivery of his speech? What "art form" does such expressive gesticulation remind you? Have you seen the Great Dictator? Hitler did as we are told, just as we are told we was an enormous Chaplin fan even though he thought Chaplin was a Jew. We certainly have to admit what sorta milieu belongs to. Have you seen Modern Times?

I wouldn't argue that simply modernism and such were some forces which shaped Hitler's actions and those of the Nazis (although it much more interesting this sorta kaffee klatch talk), I'll further and take your modernist stance and speak to the Hitler's opinion on art and the aesthetic. He was a modernist and lover of it par excellence.

In what sorta conception of "art" do it become so radically politicized in the pedestrian sense as to be something to be fought via art itself?

What's the first word which lends its first letter to Nazi? Under what conditions does such a thing become made the center of some enormous project to restore?

I have to figure out how to make a TV signal enter my house. And how I am going to become mayor of my own place again.

 

[orthonorm]

Oh one last note, no matter what Hitler said, he didn't quite love so much what he claimed to. Read up on his actual listening habits as we understand them. He taste in theater, film, etc.

That Hitler lied I am sure is gonna disappoint.

 

[orthonorm]

Back to randomosity.

 

[TheTrisagion]

I will repost my original statement.

I classify Modern Art as anything similar to cubism, surrealism, expressionism, futurism, abstract, etc.

And objectively speaking, it is terrible. It is the one thing I agree with Hitler on.  

When you explain to me how your latest post relates in the slightest to what I said, then we can discuss the aesthetics of Nazi parades.

If you disagree with my statement that Hitler disliked modern art, at least, for pete's sakes, take a position and make it.  I feel like I am saying the sky is blue and you are disputing that by arguing vociferously that cows give milk.

 

[Achronos]

what are your favorite books orthonorm

 

[orthonorm]

I will repost my original statement.

I classify Modern Art as anything similar to cubism, surrealism, expressionism, futurism, abstract, etc.

And objectively speaking, it is terrible. It is the one thing I agree with Hitler on.  

When you explain to me how your latest post relates in the slightest to what I said, then we can discuss the aesthetics of Nazi parades.

If you disagree with my statement that Hitler disliked modern art, at least, for pete's sakes, take a position and make it.  I feel like I am saying the sky is blue and you are disputing that by arguing vociferously that cows give milk.

Dude, see above.

 

[TheTrisagion]

I will repost my original statement.

I classify Modern Art as anything similar to cubism, surrealism, expressionism, futurism, abstract, etc.

And objectively speaking, it is terrible. It is the one thing I agree with Hitler on.  

When you explain to me how your latest post relates in the slightest to what I said, then we can discuss the aesthetics of Nazi parades.

If you disagree with my statement that Hitler disliked modern art, at least, for pete's sakes, take a position and make it.  I feel like I am saying the sky is blue and you are disputing that by arguing vociferously that cows give milk.

Dude, see above.

...and that post still doesn't answer what I said.  Just because he employed modern videography, speech techniques, hair styles and whatever else you would like to ramble on about, it still has nothing to do with his taste in art... Dude.

 

[Achronos]

how it should be done:

 

[augustin717]

tooday i briefly checked a romanian orthodox website "razboi intru cuvant" ("war in the word" ) which i maybe do every 2 or 3 months. my god, i think its both funny and depressing. but, i don't think it represents more than a tiny number of hardcore activists. according to what i saw romania is gonna soon be taken over by a homosexual cabal. that's when it's not the jews doing it.

 

[Achronos]

hey romaios.

is it totally possibly that the prophecy of the destruction of tyre is actually pointing towards the destruction of porphyry's kata christianon (since he was from tyre)

your thoughts on this please

 

[Apples]

tooday i briefly checked a romanian orthodox website "razboi intru cuvant" ("war in the word" ) which i maybe do every 2 or 3 months. my god, i think its both funny and depressing. but, i don't think it represents more than a tiny number of hardcore activists. according to what i saw romania is gonna soon be taken over by a homosexual cabal. that's when it's not the jews doing it.

I've been meaning to ask you and Romaios. Is Romania all dark and mist-filled and home to werewolves and such like in the movies?

 

[Romaios]

tooday i briefly checked a romanian orthodox website "razboi intru cuvant" ("war in the word" ) which i maybe do every 2 or 3 months. my god, i think its both funny and depressing. but, i don't think it represents more than a tiny number of hardcore activists. according to what i saw romania is gonna soon be taken over by a homosexual cabal. that's when it's not the jews doing it.

I've been meaning to ask you and Romaios. Is Romania all dark and mist-filled and home to werewolves and such like in the movies?

No, not really!  :laugh:

Augustin posts some pictures here of what is perhaps the better side of it. But some rural areas become increasingly depopulated and can look pretty desolate.   

 

[JamesR]

If Germany won World War II, we'd have BMW/Volkswagen space ships with colonies on the moon and 300 year life spans. Such a shame that the most advanced nation in history was so crazy and evil.

 

[Romaios]

hey romaios.

is it totally possibly that the prophecy of the destruction of tyre is actually pointing towards the destruction of porphyry's kata christianon (since he was from tyre)

No. It's about Hong Kong coming under Chinese rule in 1997.   :

 

[Cyrillic]

hey romaios.

is it totally possibly that the prophecy of the destruction of tyre is actually pointing towards the destruction of porphyry's kata christianon (since he was from tyre)

your thoughts on this please

Kata Christianon was tl;dr anyway. Good thing it was burned.

 

[Gunnarr]

what is this thread for, it is almost impossibel to click "Reply" all the pages screw up the buttons!

 

[Cyrillic]

Yeah, we posted so much that it has upset the forum.

 

[genesisone]

If Germany won World War II, we'd have BMW/Volkswagen space ships with colonies on the moon and 300 year life spans. Such a shame that the most advanced nation in history was so crazy and evil.

And what if Germany had won WW1?

 

[Eastern Mind]

30 bottles of beer on the wall,
30 bottles of beer,
Take one down,
Pass it around
29 bottles of beer on the wall...

 

[orthonorm]

If Germany won World War II, we'd have BMW/Volkswagen space ships with colonies on the moon and 300 year life spans. Such a shame that the most advanced nation in history was so crazy and evil.

And what if Germany had won WW1?

A much less interesting novel than Man in the High Castle.

 

[Cyrillic]

If Germany won World War II, we'd have BMW/Volkswagen space ships with colonies on the moon and 300 year life spans. Such a shame that the most advanced nation in history was so crazy and evil.

The Germans would probably get rid of you because you're not "arian".