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Porter ODoran said:
I just wanted to speak up and say this board comprises some of the smartest people I've ever met. It's astounding and means a lot to someone who tends to be intellectually lonely. I wish you all to be happy.
*drools a bit and looks at Porter while saying: "ai wuf ju!"*
 

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TheTrisagion said:
hecma925 said:
kelly said:
Do you think it counts in my favor if I die in attempting to be there for someone's chrismation? That has to count for something. Kind of like the old Catholic folklore about dying on Good Friday resulting in the soul going straight to heaven.
It doesn't help if one is a liquored up Irishman like myself.
I thought you were Puerto Rican.
St.  Patrick's month, my friend.
 

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Read somewhere the other day that the oldest traces of cheese were found in Poland.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/13/oldest-cheese-pottery-poland_n_2287144.html

Hurray for the Poles contribution in inventing cheese!
 

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Yogurt may have been based on a series of serendipitous accidents, I don't know, but overall it constitutes one of the greatest and most unlikely inventions of humankind. Do you know that the eggs of very specific species of ants had to be harvested a certain way? Ancient man wasn't lacking in smarts.
 

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Porter ODoran said:
Yogurt may have been based on a series of serendipitous accidents, I don't know, but overall it constitutes one of the greatest and most unlikely inventions of humankind. Do you know that the eggs of very specific species of ants had to be harvested a certain way? Ancient man wasn't lacking in smarts.
Oh gross, it involves ant eggs?!
 

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Our public broadcasting company is sendind Christian morning devotions on the radio every morning except on sundays when there's a mass. It usually consists of short teaching, a prayer and a some choir-singing. Usually the devotion is by the Lutherans but periodically by the Orthodox and occasionally by various Bapticathocostals. I've sometimes listened to it from internet later on but never early in the morning. Just set my radio to switch on just before the devotion starts. It sounds like a decent way to wake up.
 

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Here's a random post for you.

Here is one translation of Gen. 4:6-7...

"Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it." (NIV)

We find essentially the same rendering in the KJV, Douay-Rheims, NRSV, etc.  However, apparently the passage is just slightly different in the Septuagints, and so we find:

“Why is thy countenance fallen? if thou offerest indeed aright, but dost not divide aright, has thou not sinned? Hold thy peace. For unto thee shalt thy conversion be and he shall lord it over thee.” (Tertullian, An Answer to the Jews, 5)

“Though you offer rightly, yet, if you do not divide rightly, have you not sinned? Be at rest; To you shall be his desire, and you shall rule over him.” (St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 4.18.3

“Thou hast sinned, be still” (St. Ambrose, Concerning Repentance, 2.11)
“Thou hast sinned, be silent” (St. Ambrose, Concerning Virgins, 3.3)
“If thou offerest rightly, but dividest not rightly, thou hast sinned, be still.” (St. Ambrose, Letter 41: To His Brother and Sister, 10)

“Hast thou not sinned in offering aright, and yet not dividing aright?” (St. Jerome, Letter 66: To Pammachius, 12)
“Thou hast sinned: hold thy peace” (St. Jerome, Letter 147: To Sabinianus, 9)

And in St. Clement of Rome it is yet again different:

"Why art thou grieved, and why is try countenance fallen? If thou offerest rightly, but dost not divide rightly, hast thou not sinned? Be at peace: thine offering returns to thyself, and thou shalt again possess it." (St. Clement of Rome, First Epistle to the Corinthians, 4)

This last quote was actually the first thing that caught my attention, and what spurred me to look around some. It doesn't seem to be the words/passage received by the Church in general, but I don't know to what extent, and in what way(s), that diminishes it. Anyway, so yeah, I rather liked it. Not that the other--concerning battling sin and temptation--is bad or less helpful. I guess I just find it more comforting. Unless I am reading it completely wrong, taken in the larger context of the story, it seems to be saying or implying that when we offer or make an attempt in a wrong way, that God doesn't just let the misguided effort vanish into nothing, but rather the effort and the fruits 'returns' to us, so we have the opportunity to try again. Am I reading too much into this? Anyone want to throw their 2 kopecks in regarding what the Greek might have said when St. Clement was quoting it? And what do you guys think about this stuff as far divine inspiration goes--does the inspiration continue/move and twist and turn despite people writing one way or another, using/trusting one passage or translation or another, and so on? I am not thinking so much of the guidance of the Holy Spirit on the reader here, but the minor variations as we have them.)


(I edited the Tertullian quote for readability, and the emphasis in the St. Clement quote was obviously mine.)
 

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Quite an interesting post!

According to Robert Alter, this "enigmatic and probably quite archaic" poem or collation of poems is "particularly elliptic in the Hebrew, and thus any construction is no more than an educated guess." In particular, he says, the word 's'eit,' traditionally represented in this passage as "offer," has no meaning known to fit this context.
 

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Ha! At least we were ahead of the other Orthodox sites for a day or two last October.  8)

I wonder if the AFR thing is part of a yearly cycle (increase for nativity and easter, then go back down during the summer), or if it's something they're gonna sustain. I'm not a paying member of alexa.com, so I couldn't switch it to anything other than '6 months.'
 

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I'm holding out till they accept my offer to do "special" marketing for them in exchange for a free membership. I can't say more than that, or I'd risk the whole deal.
 

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"Come on turd bird."

-- a grandmother to her grandchild in Walmart, in an effort to get the lad moving faster.

8)

 

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From an Evangelical radio program: "It comes to us from the Greek 'psalm-oy,' which literally means 'to sing to the music of the heart,' altho this is not evident if you are not reading the Authorized Version. ... The word 'degrees' means 'steps,' as these psalms were sung by the pilgrims of Israel as they ascended the steps to Jerusalem."
 

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Tomorrow are the elections. Trying to decide which party to vote for I watched a commercial made by the Christian Democrats (!) about how the government raised a lot of taxes. At one point in the commercial a cartoon guy was holding a bottle of booze while looking sad, while the text "taxes on alcohol were raised" appeared. Absolutely hilarious. I bet the Roman Catholics were behind that one.

 

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Porter ODoran said:
Why are you voting? It only encourages them.
Why, because I have nothing better to do. Besides, I think the prime minister is ready for his political retirement.
 

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For some reason most of my friends tend to be Roman Catholics while the girls I hang out with usually turn out to be Calvinists. I don't know what that says about me, but it is very peculiar.
 

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Porter ODoran said:
That you can't be friends with girls, you mean?
Not that, you silly. It is very much possible, of course, and is exactly what I meant. I suppose male friends/female friends were the words I was looking for.
 

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Cyrillic said:
For some reason most of my friends tend to be Roman Catholics while the girls I hang out with usually turn out to be Calvinists. I don't know what that says about me, but it is very peculiar.
You need to look into her eyes and tell her this moment was predestined.
 

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Jonathan Gress said:
Cyrillic said:
For some reason most of my friends tend to be Roman Catholics while the girls I hang out with usually turn out to be Calvinists. I don't know what that says about me, but it is very peculiar.
You need to look into her eyes and tell her this moment was predestined.
That works?!
 

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Mor Ephrem said:
Jonathan Gress said:
Cyrillic said:
For some reason most of my friends tend to be Roman Catholics while the girls I hang out with usually turn out to be Calvinists. I don't know what that says about me, but it is very peculiar.
You need to look into her eyes and tell her this moment was predestined.
That works?!
It worked for me. Eventually. God must have been testing me all while foreknowing what I would do.
 

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In the event that anyone cares, I haven't been around much. My work suddenly freaked out about internet security and pretty much shut down everyone's ability to get on any non-work related sites. Unfortunately, I have not been able to convince them that oc.net is work related. You may not see me on here much any more. For some, I'm sure that will make you happy. The rest of you it is probably just 'meh'.

Thus endeth my uninteresting post.
 

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Does this mean you can't get on facebook either? MY LIFE IS OVERRR
 

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Mor Ephrem said:
Jonathan Gress said:
Cyrillic said:
For some reason most of my friends tend to be Roman Catholics while the girls I hang out with usually turn out to be Calvinists. I don't know what that says about me, but it is very peculiar.
You need to look into her eyes and tell her this moment was predestined.
That works?!
Only on Calvinists, silly.
 

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Mor Ephrem said:
Jonathan Gress said:
Cyrillic said:
For some reason most of my friends tend to be Roman Catholics while the girls I hang out with usually turn out to be Calvinists. I don't know what that says about me, but it is very peculiar.
You need to look into her eyes and tell her this moment was predestined.
That works?!
There are women that claim Calivinism in NYC?
 

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Flight canceled, lost my spot in the monastery (because there is a year long waiting list and others were behind me) have to look for a different monastery now........ Such is life. I put my trust in God that He knows what's best for me.
 
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