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(ok, so this is going to be kinda vague since I'm trying to keep it short)

It starting to seem to me like most people reject the Bible or Christianity for really bad reasons, mostly just 'feelings,' not liking its morality or simply not understanding it. The second especially in regards to sex (probably the #1 reason) - but of course "I don't like it" or "I want to do whatever I want to do" is really a foolish criteria for determining truth. The third mainly has to do with that the Bible requires a lot more literary and rhetorical knowledge to appreciate then most people have (just having the concept of hyperbole would go a long way, there's people that reject Christianity because they really think Jesus asks them to despise their family).

Does anyone know of any books dealing with any of this? Christianity is loosing people not because people are making hard decisions and sifting the wheat from the chaff.. its really just because people 1) Are thinking with their emotions 2) Can read the bible but don't really know what it means sometimes.
 

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Jason.Wike said:
(ok, so this is going to be kinda vague since I'm trying to keep it short)

It starting to seem to me like most people reject the Bible or Christianity for really bad reasons, mostly just 'feelings,' not liking its morality or simply not understanding it. The second especially in regards to sex (probably the #1 reason) - but of course "I don't like it" or "I want to do whatever I want to do" is really a foolish criteria for determining truth. The third mainly has to do with that the Bible requires a lot more literary and rhetorical knowledge to appreciate then most people have (just having the concept of hyperbole would go a long way, there's people that reject Christianity because they really think Jesus asks them to despise their family).

Does anyone know of any books dealing with any of this? Christianity is loosing people not because people are making hard decisions and sifting the wheat from the chaff.. its really just because people 1) Are thinking with their emotions 2) Can read the bible but don't really know what it means sometimes.
Hey, I can frequently read the Bible and not really know what it means  ;).  However, I do not reject it or its message (to the extent that I know what it means, that is ;)).

On a more serious note, I think a lot of people reject Christ and Christianity because, well...it's not about *them*, and when they do realize that it means things like suffering and bearing crosses, well, heck...what fun is that?  ::)
 

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Jason.Wike said:
(ok, so this is going to be kinda vague since I'm trying to keep it short)

It starting to seem to me like most people reject the Bible or Christianity for really bad reasons, mostly just 'feelings,' not liking its morality or simply not understanding it. The second especially in regards to sex (probably the #1 reason) - but of course "I don't like it" or "I want to do whatever I want to do" is really a foolish criteria for determining truth. The third mainly has to do with that the Bible requires a lot more literary and rhetorical knowledge to appreciate then most people have (just having the concept of hyperbole would go a long way, there's people that reject Christianity because they really think Jesus asks them to despise their family).

Does anyone know of any books dealing with any of this? Christianity is loosing people not because people are making hard decisions and sifting the wheat from the chaff.. its really just because people 1) Are thinking with their emotions 2) Can read the bible but don't really know what it means sometimes.
Doing your own will is the fundamental of satanism.

Google "Do what thy wilt shall be the whole of the law".  You'll find a satanist behind that quote.
 

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Want to know what I think? I think that people are rejecting Christianity because they are trying to read the Bible and understand God on their own or with the guidance of these weirdo tele-evangelists on TV, opposed to understanding it all through the lense of the Orthodox Church--which is the context by which the Bible was meant to be interpreted through (1 Tim 3:5).
 

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People reject religion, the Bible, God, the whole enchilada, because there is no real compelling factor in life for religion anymore.  Sure, some people are poor or sick and find solace in religion, but most people recognize that they can be successful without God.  Sure, they might not "get to heaven," but they have a home, a family, and food on the table.  What else do they need? 

I find that, personally, when I'm confronted with a bunch of scriptural writings about how I should amend my life, or a sermon at Church or something, I can't help but say "But I don't caaaaare!"

The spiritual aspect of things isn't really the most important part of life when one has what they need.
 

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trevor72694 said:
People reject religion, the Bible, God, the whole enchilada, because there is no real compelling factor in life for religion anymore.  Sure, some people are poor or sick and find solace in religion, but most people recognize that they can be successful without God.  Sure, they might not "get to heaven," but they have a home, a family, and food on the table.  What else do they need? 

I find that, personally, when I'm confronted with a bunch of scriptural writings about how I should amend my life, or a sermon at Church or something, I can't help but say "But I don't caaaaare!"

The spiritual aspect of things isn't really the most important part of life when one has what they need.
Is that successful?

No amount of idols can fill the gap left in the soul where the Holy Spirit should reside.
 

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I would agree that many turn from Christianity because of misconceptions. I certainly did. If I understand you correctly you're looking for book reference that explains Christianity in general layman terms?

It's an older book, and the author was not Orthodox, but I still think ‘Mere Christianity’ by C.S.Lewis does an outstanding job of that. Titled accordingly as he intentionally tried to avoid the primary differences in denominations, to focus on the basic (mere) fundamental beliefs shared by most forms of Christianity. Others can chime in if they disagree but I think it is generally accepted by Orthodox, most Protestants, and the RCC.

In a different book the same author offers a witty quote pertaining to the "I want to do whatever I want to do" reason for rejecting Christianity that you mentioned:

"There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, “Thy will be done,” and those to whom God says, “All right, then, have it your way.” - C.S. Lewis

I am about to sit down and begin ‘Indication of the Way Into the Kingdom of Heaven’ by Saint Innocent. A Priest let my daughter borrow it and she recommended it to me. It was apparently used in the early to mid 1800's to introduce the Gospel (Orthodoxy) to Alaskan Natives. I have only read over the intro thus far but it seems to be a nice depiction of The Word in layman terms.

Peace & Grace
 

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yeshuaisiam said:
Jason.Wike said:
(ok, so this is going to be kinda vague since I'm trying to keep it short)

It starting to seem to me like most people reject the Bible or Christianity for really bad reasons, mostly just 'feelings,' not liking its morality or simply not understanding it. The second especially in regards to sex (probably the #1 reason) - but of course "I don't like it" or "I want to do whatever I want to do" is really a foolish criteria for determining truth. The third mainly has to do with that the Bible requires a lot more literary and rhetorical knowledge to appreciate then most people have (just having the concept of hyperbole would go a long way, there's people that reject Christianity because they really think Jesus asks them to despise their family).

Does anyone know of any books dealing with any of this? Christianity is loosing people not because people are making hard decisions and sifting the wheat from the chaff.. its really just because people 1) Are thinking with their emotions 2) Can read the bible but don't really know what it means sometimes.
Doing your own will is the fundamental of satanism.

Google "Do what thy wilt shall be the whole of the law".   You'll find a satanist behind that quote.
Do we have to do this again?
 

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Then get a OSB orthodox study bible.
 

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orthonorm said:
yeshuaisiam said:
Jason.Wike said:
(ok, so this is going to be kinda vague since I'm trying to keep it short)

It starting to seem to me like most people reject the Bible or Christianity for really bad reasons, mostly just 'feelings,' not liking its morality or simply not understanding it. The second especially in regards to sex (probably the #1 reason) - but of course "I don't like it" or "I want to do whatever I want to do" is really a foolish criteria for determining truth. The third mainly has to do with that the Bible requires a lot more literary and rhetorical knowledge to appreciate then most people have (just having the concept of hyperbole would go a long way, there's people that reject Christianity because they really think Jesus asks them to despise their family).

Does anyone know of any books dealing with any of this? Christianity is loosing people not because people are making hard decisions and sifting the wheat from the chaff.. its really just because people 1) Are thinking with their emotions 2) Can read the bible but don't really know what it means sometimes.
Doing your own will is the fundamental of satanism.

Google "Do what thy wilt shall be the whole of the law".   You'll find a satanist behind that quote.
Do we have to do this again?
Do what again?  He said the #1 reason for people reject bible/religion/whatever was "I want to do whatever I want to do".

That *IS* the teaching of the satanic church, in Crowley's writings, and is pretty much stated in the Wicca creed.

I was just relaying the information.  I think it is very important for people who believe that they "want to do what they want" to understand that is *exactly* what Lucifer did, and *exactly* what Satanists preach.

I also believe that the OP was correct, that people "wanting to do what they want" is one of the largest reasons people are not Christians.
 

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Threads like this give me a headache. The, ah, "reasons" that most of you are throwing out here aren't my own, or those of a great many people I've talked to who have left whatever religion they were brought up in.

I don't quite know what you mean when you talk about "rejecting" the Bible. As far as rejecting religioin goes, I haven't been able to accept any given religion's historical and/or metaphysical claims, so yeah, I guess you could say I've rejected them. I can't say that emotion had much to do with it, nor did I reject them simply because I don't want them to be true. And desire for sex certainly doesn't have anything to do with it.
 

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Yes, echoing the sentiments of the poster above me, the reasons presented by most here are quite removed from reality. While there are likely some who have left religion on account of libertinism, it is most certainly not the cause of most cases. Examine history as well as the present. In both instances, people are more than capable of remaining nominally religious whilst behaving as fiends. Those who have left to pursue selfishness have simply jumped aboard, so to speak, an already sailing ship. Most reasons resemble something like (and I will leave it to your judgment how fair or poor these reasons are) :

1) Not having an expected spiritual experience. This is especially true in certain Protestant sects where such things are anticipated. Many people get nothing from prayer.

2) Perception of the church as a source of strife and division. For the most part, the church (in fact, religion in general) has grown with the times and adjusted its morals accordingly. This, however, is not true in all cases (e.g. some churches' condemnation of homosexuality). Those who leave for this reason oft see the church as a symbol a bigotry and disunity (if not outright hatred).

3) Perception of the church as anti-science. While most churches have relented and accepted the truth in evolution, the few that hold out have more or less served as a strawman for Christianity in general.

4) Hypocrisy. While hypocrisy is no new phenomenon, the new cultural climate (that is the western trend of abandoning religion) makes people more likely to leave for such reasons. Hypocrisy/scandal can come from a pastor, priest, or even another layperson.

5) Ecumenism/Cultural Exchange. Not a direct cause, but a significant factor. The technology of today along with globalism have given rise to a greater understanding of other religions. The average person has a more accurate conception (or at least less propagandized one) of what other religions teach. Perennialism, indifferentism, or even conversion are possibilities. At the very least, holding to religious exclusivism is harder now than it has been in quite some time.

Of course there are plenty of other reasons (such as reasons logical) people abandon faith (some of which have been mentioned in the aforementioned posts). Neither I, nor anyone I know (with perhaps one exception) has left faith/religion on account of earthly pleasure.
 

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J Michael said:
On a more serious note, I think a lot of people reject Christ and Christianity because, well...it's not about *them*, and when they are deceived by false teachers into thinking that it means things like suffering and bearing crosses, well, heck...what fun is that?  ::)
Corrected you, as Jesus Christ(God) never wants us to suffer, He said,

John 10:10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

and

Matthew 10:22, and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

Jesus Christ wants us to suffer when for Him, if necessary(aka Martyrdom) for His Name Sake, not for nothing, if there is nothing to suffer for, no prosecution etc, then in no way does God want anyone to suffer, and even in suffering for His Name Sake/Him, under prosecution, He still doesn't want anyone to suffer, the Christian life in the early Christian days was full of suffering, so yes God would require them to suffer for His sake, but now this has diminished, so the Christian life is less suffering, but of receiving Life from Jesus Christ(YHWH), now if you're under prosecution you are to suffer for His sake.

Jesus Christ only expects you to suffer for Him, for what is right, for His sake, therefore only If necessary, if not then there is not reason to suffer, just don't sin, help and love your neighbor, and help them stop suffering. so God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) allows us to suffer because He has to, to give us free will beings eternal life,(as proven here http://savedbychrist94.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-problem-of-suffering-permanently.html  ) to build perseverance, and so others can repent.

So no, The Christian Life, the life God(The Father, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Spirit) gives us is not a life of suffering, only under prosecution(any I might add, minor or major like martyrdom)

The life of this world(sin) is a life of suffering, sadness, no joy, depression, unsatisfaction, evil desires that harm others or themselves, not The Life God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) gives us.

Other false burdens are like for example, burdening those who are homosexual, when homosexuality isn't even a sin, they are missing out on God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) because one of the folks mentioned by The Holy Spirit through Paul(1 Timothy 4:1-5, 4 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.)

People decide to make their own doctrines, 1 Timothy 6:20-21 20O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called “knowledge”—21which some have professed and thus gone astray from the faith.


We need to start teaching The Truth Doctrines of The Old and New Testament and stop causing others to stumble, I once did this and now suffer guilt(and I hope never do it again, will always check if The Doctrines I have are correct and Biblical), but I repented,


Luke 17:1-4,

And he said to his disciples, “Temptations to sin are sure to come, but woe to the one through whom they come! It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin. Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him, and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.”
 

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You should Reject the bible cause it was put together by Evil Saint Constantine in the third century in the council of Nicea where he influenced and forced all of those poor Bishops to accept his four gospels over hte three hundred possibly more true Gospels than the ones we have.

But in all seriousness, most people who reject the bible do it out of face value, no deep study or conclusions drawn from actually reading the thing. They see things they think are:

absurd, Talking donkeys, Slaying of a thousand men with a Jawbone from a donkey

Immoral, Israel being commaded to kill all the inhabitants of Canaan to the last woman and child

or what they perceive as just weird and totally nonsensical, book of revelation.

Nothing will solve their preconceived notions unless they have some interest in studying this, unless they ask themselves the question and seriously reflect on it "is there a meaning I am missing?"
 

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They think if they tell themselves something enough times, it will become true.  They aren’t the ones who worry me.  The ones who worry me are those who accept only the parts they like and disregard the parts they don’t.  Cherry picking Christianity. 

I second the suggestion of Mere Christianity.
 

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Kerdy said:
They think if they tell themselves something enough times, it will become true.  They aren’t the ones who worry me.  The ones who worry me are those who accept only the parts they like and disregard the parts they don’t.  Cherry picking Christianity. 

I second the suggestion of Mere Christianity.
Give us examples of cherry picking, if you mean that they do certain sins(evils) then we agree, but with things that aren't sin(homosexuality, premarital sex, sexual attraction), then there is hypocrisy as one would call things not sin, a sin, proving 1 Timothy 4 True.
 

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SavedByChrist94 said:
but with things that aren't sin(homosexuality, premarital sex, sexual attraction)
Do you read the Scriptures with blindfolds on or something?
 

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Cyrillic said:
SavedByChrist94 said:
but with things that aren't sin(homosexuality, premarital sex, sexual attraction)
Do you read the Scriptures with blindfolds on or something?
No, he just went the Thomas Jefferson route and threw out the parts he didn't like.



One reason that many people I have talked to use is that they can not see how a murderer or a rapist can possibly get to Heaven, while the President of a Charity (or some other generally good person) would go to Hell for not being a Christian.
 
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