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Velsigne said:
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"Fornication" is not a sin, Prostitution is.
Well, that's convenient for you.  So as long as a man or woman doesn't charge you for gratifying your impulses, it's a lot more affordable.  How practical! 



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2, Marriage is for love, an agreement to love and be together for a lifetime. sex isn't only for procreation, that is what satan would say and that is what Paul warned us about,

1 Timothy 4:4 - For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
I'm not really sure what you are trying to get across here, but then I don't understand much of anything you say.  It's the same phenomena I experience when trying to talk with a Jehovah's Witness, or the ranting handyman going on and on about the sons of Cain walk among us while trying to stroke my arm, or the Potter's church guy who tried to tell me I go to the wrong church, something about our hearts all being completely wicked, then started babbling in glossolalia before he ran from my door.  I feel really bad for the kid he was dragging around with him.  I think it is God protecting me from a bunch of (antonym of shinola). 

Anyway, not that this has anything to do with what you said, anymore than what you said had anything to do with what I said, but marriages in the past were often arranged.  Some people think those marriages were often better because people didn't have the modern notions of romantic love and the rules of courtly love to live up to. 


You seem to be cherry picking the Bible to suit your fancies.

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3, "Fornication does not bring one closer to God. "

Nor does eating, talking, thinking, drinking, playing, working, etc, Only Prayer, Believing, Loving God(YHWH: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit), and Reading/Studying His Word, does that mean everything is a sin? no, just Keep God in Mind and remember that He created sex(what you call fornication), so thank Him for sex, for food, for love, for life, for everything He Created.
Dude, I did not say that sex within marriage is fornication.  And I didn't make the rules.  Fornication is sex outside of marriage.  And I don't appreciate your insinuation that I don't thank God for the many blessings I have everyday, and then try to convince me to sin while you're at it.

And to remind you, the difference between eating and drinking and going to work is that those are pretty much required to sustain one's own life and the lives of our family members, and having sex is not.  Nowadays secular society will try to convince you that it is necessary, but that obviously is not true. 

I'm happy for you that you got over your homophobia issue.  I've often thought that homophobics, (people who rant on and on and harass gay people) are actually suppressing that tendency in themselves, or they are simply afraid of male on male predation; predatory behavior from men is something a lot of women have to put up with everyday.  I could have been wrong in thinking that, but whatever.  Just because you've realized that you shouldn't hate other people based on their proclivities, as this is God's command to us, doesn't mean that all behavior is condoned by God.  You have a logical disconnect there, as well as in other areas.


I completely disagree with what you are apparently trying to do here; which is to convince Christians to commit sins and live by your rule of sexual depravity.  I'm not sure, but I wonder if you're arguing this much about it because you are really trying to convince yourself that you can sin without suffering the consequences, more than you are trying to convince anyone else.  It's the same type thinking you had before when you were a homophobic, only in reverse.  Both are in error.


I don't have much else to say to you.  I think we are at an impasse. 
"Well, that's convenient for you.  So as long as a man or woman doesn't charge you for gratifying your impulses, it's a lot more affordable.  How practical! "

Proverbs 10:18 - The one who conceals hatred has lying lips, and whoever utters slander is a fool.

"I'm not really sure what you are trying to get across here, but then I don't understand much of anything you say.  It's the same phenomena I experience when trying to talk with a Jehovah's Witness, or the ranting handyman going on and on about the sons of Cain walk among us while trying to stroke my arm, or the Potter's church guy who tried to tell me I go to the wrong church, something about our hearts all being completely wicked, then started babbling in glossolalia before he ran from my door.  I feel really bad for the kid he was dragging around with him.  I think it is God protecting me from a bunch of (antonym of shinola)."


Anyway, not that this has anything to do with what you said, anymore than what you said had anything to do with what I said, but marriages in the past were often arranged.  Some people think those marriages were often better because people didn't have the modern notions of romantic love and the rules of courtly love to live up to."

That was cultural, God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) allows us to marry or be with whom we choose.

"You seem to be cherry picking the Bible to suit your fancies. "

What fancies? Notice the assumption, I'm the guy who actually prefers one to make it happen with that special person due to a little jealousy issue, but due to your assumption I will pull Scripture,

John 7:24 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”, This guy assumes that I want to suit "fancies" when he doesn't even know me.

"Dude, I did not say that sex within marriage is fornication.  And I didn't make the rules.  Fornication is sex outside of marriage." 

And Fornication isn't condemned in The Bible, Prostitution is, Porneas has 2 meanings.

"And I don't appreciate your insinuation that I don't thank God for the many blessings I have everyday, "

Never did that, I said it in general.

"and then try to convince me to sin while you're at it."

Where? I try to convince you to stop sinning with pharisee man made laws and adding to The Word of God(The Bible)

And to remind you, the difference between eating and drinking and going to work is that those are pretty much required to sustain one's own life and the lives of our family members, and having sex is not. 

Actually sex is, no sex, no continuation of life. also since that's the case and if you're not a hypocrite, you will easily just eat wheat for every meal, since according to you selfish pleasure(such as taste) that isn't necessary and the main reason for eating is to live and since you deem pleasure  a "selfish" desire, then if you are not a hypocrite you'll give up TV, eat just wheat, etc, obviously not, as God made pleasure the Main Purpose in life, our purpose is to get Pleasure in God with ourselves and others and what He gives out of His love for us and to Love God(YHWH: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit). That is what you do with every breath, so please don't be a hypocrite.


Nowadays secular society will try to convince you that it is necessary, but that obviously is not true. 

I'm happy for you that you got over your homophobia issue.  I've often thought that homophobics, (people who rant on and on and harass gay people) are actually suppressing that tendency in themselves, or they are simply afraid of male on male predation; predatory behavior from men is something a lot of women have to put up with everyday. 


I wouldn't deem myself a hateful homophobe, as deep down I felt bad about it and had to force myself because of The Bible and being raised that way

I could have been wrong in thinking that, but whatever.  Just because you've realized that you shouldn't hate other people based on their proclivities, as this is God's command to us, doesn't mean that all behavior is condoned by God.  You have a logical disconnect there, as well as in other areas.

That isn't the reason why I came to know that Homosexuality is ok and not a sin. after doing alot of studying and my heart was touched. found out it wasn't a sin, and realized that all along it was wrong to condemn homosexuality. I used to get intrusive thoughts because of it. before I was Saved, I never had a problem with Homosexuality, we'd make fun of those who are Homosexual but never hated them and actually supported their cause, when I became Saved and thought it was a sin is when I had to fight it til I got used to it being a sin, because I thought God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) condemned it, now because of this I get scared that when I thought I had God in my life(the time when I condemned Homosexuality) that I was not really Saved, now I feel even more Saved due to repenting of my sin of condemning what is not sin.

Lets look at what has happened since then, I(By The Holy Spirit)

- I Refuted The Problem of Suffering

- I Proved why we need to eat animals

- I disproved "atheism" and Penal Substitution.


All because of The Holy Spirit showing me that it ain't a sin.

I completely disagree with what you are apparently trying to do here; which is to convince Christians to commit sins and live by your rule of sexual depravity.
 

That is funny, because I completely disagree with what you are apparently trying to do here; which is to convince Christians to commit sins(calling sin to what is not a sin) and live by your rule of sexual depravity.(Oppressing others by adding words to The Word of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit)


I'm not sure, but I wonder if you're arguing this much about it because you are really trying to convince yourself that you can sin without suffering the consequences, more than you are trying to convince anyone else.  It's the same type thinking you had before when you were a homophobic, only in reverse.  Both are in error.

Actually when I was homophobic and your current view are Hell-bound, luckily I was Saved from a false doctrine, and proved Homosexuality is not a sin.


"I don't have much else to say to you.  I think we are at an impasse." 


Basically waving the White Flag.

Let this debate serve as a prime example of when you believe man(the so called "church" which isn't The True Church) above or instead of The Bible(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit's Word)
 

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Achronos said:
Is it wrong to make an argument that eventhough the Bible doesn't explicitly condemn premarital sex as a whole,
That's it case closed.

Achronos said:
you would need to look at what the apostles wrote as a whole and infer that it is sinful.
And Apostles never condemned it nor did God(YHWH: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit)

Achronos said:
You are attacking a windmill, SBC94
I'm destroying phariseeism with Truth.

Matthew 21:31 - Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you."
 

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Punch said:
SavedByChrist94 said:
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SolEX01 said:
I have good reasons to reject SavedbyChrist94's bible, religion, whatever.   ::)
So you reject The Bible? Christianity? Because what I am proclaiming is The Truth from The Scriptures.
No, you are proclaiming the truth of the Antichrist. You come on an Orthodox forum to spread filth and to lead others astray.  I think that if you looked at your Bible a bit more for guidance instead of to find excuses for sin, you would see that it might be better for you to have a millstone hung around your neck and be cast into the sea.  
"No, you are proclaiming the truth of the Antichrist"

Prove it, otherwise you an anti-Christ, also, the anti-Christ has no Truth in Him.
Two thousand years of the Church's teaching proves it.  You have nothing, and you have no power over me.  Your lies were destroyed when Christ rose from the dead.
Which Church? Do you know what The Church is? it is not to be a denomination, so therefore orthodox ain't The Church. of course I have no power over you.

Also, I presented  you Facts from The Bible, are you saying Christ lied when in His Word all the things I argue for are there? I will reverse you and say that your lies were destroyed when Jesus Christ rose from the dead.

You are placed on post moderation for 99 days because of your egregious violation of the policy regarding discussions on homosexuality:


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SolEX01 said:
SavedbyChrist94 chooses to use a politically correct translation of the Bible which is only 18 years old (dating back to 1995):

Words and Phrases that could be misunderstood due to changes in their meaning during the past 20 years have been updated to current English
http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-American-Standard-Bible-NASB/
Nope, using one that's used in Biblelexicon.org, as it is most literal, BUT if you want tell me what translation you'd like me to use and I'll still destroy the pharisee arguments.

Also, all translations are bad, you want The Truth? Go to the Greeks, for example in the translations, Matthew 5:28 would look like it says looking at a woman would be a sin, however in The Originals it says coveting a wife(aka looking to commit adultery) which makes sense as looking at a woman isn't adultery and whoever says it is adds to God's Word.
 

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SavedByChrist94 said:
SolEX01 said:
SavedbyChrist94 chooses to use a politically correct translation of the Bible which is only 18 years old (dating back to 1995):

Words and Phrases that could be misunderstood due to changes in their meaning during the past 20 years have been updated to current English
http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-American-Standard-Bible-NASB/
Nope, using one that's used in Biblelexicon.org, as it is most literal, BUT if you want tell me what translation you'd like me to use and I'll still destroy the pharisee arguments.
The Lockman Foundation is behind the New American Standard Bible.  That's the translation you've been using.  Find out more about them here:

http://www.lockman.org/tlf/tlfhistory.php

SavedByChrist94 said:
Also, all translations are bad, you want The Truth? Go to the Greeks, for example in the translations, Matthew 5:28 would look like it says looking at a woman would be a sin, however in The Originals it says coveting a wife(aka looking to commit adultery) which makes sense as looking at a woman isn't adultery and whoever says it is adds to God's Word.
What are "The Originals?"
 

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SavedByChrist94 said:
Punch said:
SavedByChrist94 said:
Punch said:
SavedByChrist94 said:
SolEX01 said:
I have good reasons to reject SavedbyChrist94's bible, religion, whatever.   ::)
So you reject The Bible? Christianity? Because what I am proclaiming is The Truth from The Scriptures.
No, you are proclaiming the truth of the Antichrist. You come on an Orthodox forum to spread filth and to lead others astray.  I think that if you looked at your Bible a bit more for guidance instead of to find excuses for sin, you would see that it might be better for you to have a millstone hung around your neck and be cast into the sea.  
"No, you are proclaiming the truth of the Antichrist"

Prove it, otherwise you an anti-Christ, also, the anti-Christ has no Truth in Him.
Two thousand years of the Church's teaching proves it.  You have nothing, and you have no power over me.  Your lies were destroyed when Christ rose from the dead.
Which Church? Do you know what The Church is?
Orthodox Christians do.  You don't.

SavedByChrist94 said:
it is not to be a denomination, so therefore orthodox ain't The Church.
The Devil loves to take advantage of division.

SavedByChrist94 said:
of course I have no power over you.
You're correct.

SavedByChrist94 said:
Also, I presented  you Facts from The Bible, are you saying Christ lied when in His Word all the things I argue for are there? I will reverse you and say that your lies were destroyed when Jesus Christ rose from the dead.
The Devil has been judged; yet, he is allowed to roam the earth and take advantage of unsuspecting souls by telling them it is OK to be homosexual, to fornicate, to have abortions and to have pre-marital sex.
 

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SolEX01 said:
SavedByChrist94 said:
Punch said:
SavedByChrist94 said:
Punch said:
SavedByChrist94 said:
SolEX01 said:
I have good reasons to reject SavedbyChrist94's bible, religion, whatever.   ::)
So you reject The Bible? Christianity? Because what I am proclaiming is The Truth from The Scriptures.
No, you are proclaiming the truth of the Antichrist. You come on an Orthodox forum to spread filth and to lead others astray.  I think that if you looked at your Bible a bit more for guidance instead of to find excuses for sin, you would see that it might be better for you to have a millstone hung around your neck and be cast into the sea.  
"No, you are proclaiming the truth of the Antichrist"

Prove it, otherwise you an anti-Christ, also, the anti-Christ has no Truth in Him.
Two thousand years of the Church's teaching proves it.  You have nothing, and you have no power over me.  Your lies were destroyed when Christ rose from the dead.
Which Church? Do you know what The Church is?
Orthodox Christians do.  You don't.

SavedByChrist94 said:
it is not to be a denomination, so therefore orthodox ain't The Church.
The Devil loves to take advantage of division.

SavedByChrist94 said:
of course I have no power over you.
You're correct.

SavedByChrist94 said:
Also, I presented  you Facts from The Bible, are you saying Christ lied when in His Word all the things I argue for are there? I will reverse you and say that your lies were destroyed when Jesus Christ rose from the dead.
The Devil has been judged; yet, he is allowed to roam the earth and take advantage of unsuspecting souls by telling them it is OK to be homosexual, to fornicate, to have abortions and to have pre-marital sex.
"The Devil has been judged; yet, he is allowed to roam the earth and take advantage of unsuspecting souls by telling them it is OK to be homosexual, to fornicate, to have abortions and to have pre-marital sex."

Woah woah woah, never said abortion is a sin, that's an obvious sin. The others though, not a sin.

Now onto the next part, It's backwards hypocrite, the devil has been judged and tells indoctrinated, souls that it is ok to add to God's Word and condemn Homosexuality, to say that YHWH's Gift of Sexuality is wrong and one cannot have sex until marriage despite songs of solomon, that's it ok to have Faith "alone" or the false doctrine of penal substitution, or that abortions(murder) would be ok.

pharisees are in the same league as an "atheist" and abortionist, there is no difference.

"Orthodox Christians do.  You don't."

It's an impossibility for The Original Church to exist, man has made up their own doctrines, at least one needs to have been added, therefore Orthodox Church isn't The Original Church, The Church only exists as Believers in The Gospel, that's it.


 

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SolEX01 said:
SavedByChrist94 said:
SolEX01 said:
SavedbyChrist94 chooses to use a politically correct translation of the Bible which is only 18 years old (dating back to 1995):

Words and Phrases that could be misunderstood due to changes in their meaning during the past 20 years have been updated to current English
http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-American-Standard-Bible-NASB/
Nope, using one that's used in Biblelexicon.org, as it is most literal, BUT if you want tell me what translation you'd like me to use and I'll still destroy the pharisee arguments.
The Lockman Foundation is behind the New American Standard Bible.  That's the translation you've been using.  Find out more about them here:

http://www.lockman.org/tlf/tlfhistory.php

SavedByChrist94 said:
Also, all translations are bad, you want The Truth? Go to the Greeks, for example in the translations, Matthew 5:28 would look like it says looking at a woman would be a sin, however in The Originals it says coveting a wife(aka looking to commit adultery) which makes sense as looking at a woman isn't adultery and whoever says it is adds to God's Word.
What are "The Originals?"
Greek Manuscripts. also like I said because you keep bringing up the NASB version, " if you want tell me what translation you'd like me to use and I'll still destroy the pharisee arguments."
 

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SavedByChrist94 said:
SolEX01 said:
SavedByChrist94 said:
Punch said:
SavedByChrist94 said:
Punch said:
SavedByChrist94 said:
SolEX01 said:
I have good reasons to reject SavedbyChrist94's bible, religion, whatever.   ::)
So you reject The Bible? Christianity? Because what I am proclaiming is The Truth from The Scriptures.
No, you are proclaiming the truth of the Antichrist. You come on an Orthodox forum to spread filth and to lead others astray.  I think that if you looked at your Bible a bit more for guidance instead of to find excuses for sin, you would see that it might be better for you to have a millstone hung around your neck and be cast into the sea.  
"No, you are proclaiming the truth of the Antichrist"

Prove it, otherwise you an anti-Christ, also, the anti-Christ has no Truth in Him.
Two thousand years of the Church's teaching proves it.  You have nothing, and you have no power over me.  Your lies were destroyed when Christ rose from the dead.
Which Church? Do you know what The Church is?
Orthodox Christians do.  You don't.

SavedByChrist94 said:
it is not to be a denomination, so therefore orthodox ain't The Church.
The Devil loves to take advantage of division.

SavedByChrist94 said:
of course I have no power over you.
You're correct.

SavedByChrist94 said:
Also, I presented  you Facts from The Bible, are you saying Christ lied when in His Word all the things I argue for are there? I will reverse you and say that your lies were destroyed when Jesus Christ rose from the dead.
The Devil has been judged; yet, he is allowed to roam the earth and take advantage of unsuspecting souls by telling them it is OK to be homosexual, to fornicate, to have abortions and to have pre-marital sex.
"The Devil has been judged; yet, he is allowed to roam the earth and take advantage of unsuspecting souls by telling them it is OK to be homosexual, to fornicate, to have abortions and to have pre-marital sex."

Woah woah woah, never said abortion is a sin, that's an obvious sin. The others though, not a sin.

Now onto the next part, It's backwards hypocrite,
Aren't we getting a little personal? 

SavedByChrist94 said:
the devil has been judged and tells indoctrinated, souls that it is ok to add to God's Word and condemn Homosexuality, to say that YHWH's Gift of Sexuality is wrong and one cannot have sex until marriage despite songs of solomon, that's it ok to have Faith "alone" or the false doctrine of penal substitution, or that abortions(murder) would be ok.

pharisees are in the same league as an "atheist" and abortionist, there is no difference.
For a moment, I thought you were defending the Devil on abortion.

SavedByChrist94 said:
"Orthodox Christians do.  You don't."

It's an impossibility for The Original Church to exist, man has made up their own doctrines, at least one needs to have been added, therefore Orthodox Church isn't The Original Church, The Church only exists as Believers in The Gospel, that's it.
You're not the only forum member who believes that the "Original Church" has disappeared.
 

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SavedByChrist94 said:
SolEX01 said:
SavedByChrist94 said:
SolEX01 said:
SavedbyChrist94 chooses to use a politically correct translation of the Bible which is only 18 years old (dating back to 1995):

Words and Phrases that could be misunderstood due to changes in their meaning during the past 20 years have been updated to current English
http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-American-Standard-Bible-NASB/
Nope, using one that's used in Biblelexicon.org, as it is most literal, BUT if you want tell me what translation you'd like me to use and I'll still destroy the pharisee arguments.
The Lockman Foundation is behind the New American Standard Bible.  That's the translation you've been using.  Find out more about them here:

http://www.lockman.org/tlf/tlfhistory.php

SavedByChrist94 said:
Also, all translations are bad, you want The Truth? Go to the Greeks, for example in the translations, Matthew 5:28 would look like it says looking at a woman would be a sin, however in The Originals it says coveting a wife(aka looking to commit adultery) which makes sense as looking at a woman isn't adultery and whoever says it is adds to God's Word.
What are "The Originals?"
Greek Manuscripts. also like I said because you keep bringing up the NASB version, " if you want tell me what translation you'd like me to use and I'll still destroy the pharisee arguments."
They must be your teachers.  They worked on the original and updated NASB.

http://www.talbot.edu/faculty/profile/robert_saucy/
http://www.pointloma.edu/experience/academics/centers-institutes/wesleyan-center/staff/frank-carver

I prefer you use the KJV and the original Greek sources for the OT & NT.
 

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SavedByChrist94 said:
Achronos said:
Is it wrong to make an argument that eventhough the Bible doesn't explicitly condemn premarital sex as a whole,
That's it case closed.

Achronos said:
you would need to look at what the apostles wrote as a whole and infer that it is sinful.
And Apostles never condemned it nor did God(YHWH: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit)

Achronos said:
You are attacking a windmill, SBC94
I'm destroying phariseeism with Truth.

Matthew 21:31 - Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you."
The bible was written mostly by Jews, some Jews that became Christians.  The Jews considered in their culture that fornication was sexually immoral.  You can see evidence in this with Mary and her being a virgin and the concern of her community.

It is "common knowledge from the authors" and the bible doesn't explicitly list every single sexual act....  The bible doesn't talk about running around in bondage gear for example.... This type of stuff would undoubtedly be considered immoral in the times of the authors.
 

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SavedByChrist94 said:
SolEX01 said:
SavedByChrist94 said:
SolEX01 said:
SavedbyChrist94 chooses to use a politically correct translation of the Bible which is only 18 years old (dating back to 1995):

Words and Phrases that could be misunderstood due to changes in their meaning during the past 20 years have been updated to current English
http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-American-Standard-Bible-NASB/
Nope, using one that's used in Biblelexicon.org, as it is most literal, BUT if you want tell me what translation you'd like me to use and I'll still destroy the pharisee arguments.
The Lockman Foundation is behind the New American Standard Bible.  That's the translation you've been using.  Find out more about them here:

http://www.lockman.org/tlf/tlfhistory.php

SavedByChrist94 said:
Also, all translations are bad, you want The Truth? Go to the Greeks, for example in the translations, Matthew 5:28 would look like it says looking at a woman would be a sin, however in The Originals it says coveting a wife(aka looking to commit adultery) which makes sense as looking at a woman isn't adultery and whoever says it is adds to God's Word.
What are "The Originals?"
Greek Manuscripts. also like I said because you keep bringing up the NASB version, " if you want tell me what translation you'd like me to use and I'll still destroy the pharisee arguments."
OK, then, here is Matthew 5:28 in the original Greek:

28 ᾿Εγὼ δὲ λέγω ὑμῖν ὅτι πᾶς ὁ βλέπων γυναῖκα πρὸς τὸ ἐπιθυμῆσαι αὐτὴν ἤδη ἐμοίχευσεν αὐτὴν ἐν τῇ καρδίᾳ αὐτοῦ.

The bolded word gynaika means both wife and woman in every form of Greek language, from Homer's time to the present day modern language. Still want to argue that fornication is not a sin, SBC94?
 

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SavedByChrist94 said:
Also, all translations are bad, you want The Truth? Go to the Greeks, for example in the translations, Matthew 5:28 would look like it says looking at a woman would be a sin, however in The Originals it says coveting a wife(aka looking to commit adultery) which makes sense as looking at a woman isn't adultery and whoever says it is adds to God's Word.
SolEX01 is a Greek.
 

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SavedByChrist94 said:
Kerdy said:
SavedByChrist94 said:
Because it is a Proven Fact that you failed to refute, John 1:1(I'd argue John's whole Gospel), Genesis 1:26-27, The Great Commission, 1 John 5:7, Acts, Hebrews 1 clearly says Jesus Christ is God, even The Father calls Him God,)
I am not trying to refute the Trinity.  I am simply showing you your own hypocrisy and cherry picking abilities.

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unlike where Homosexuality has absolutely no mention.
So which books of the bible do you actually accept?  I know of at least five you dismiss right now simply based off of your inadequate understanding of God's condemnation of homosexuality.
"I am not trying to refute the Trinity.  I am simply showing you your own hypocrisy and cherry picking abilities."

What hypocrisy? The Bible Clearly says The Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ are God, so The Father is God, Jesus Christ is God, and The Holy Spirit is God, yet God is One, but then you read Genesis 1:26-27 and you find out God who is one is yet multipersonal, now if there are more persons I would have found so, but only 3, so that means God is 3 persons yet 1, aka Trinity, there is no cherry picking, just crystal clear as day facts.


"So which books of the bible do you actually accept?"  All

"I know of at least five you dismiss right now simply based off of your inadequate understanding of God's condemnation of homosexuality."

Which ones, also God doesn't condemn homosexuality. I already know at least Five books in which you add your satanistic bigotry to The Word, if you studied, you would see, no homosexuality.
I have seen people present a message like yours before while attempting to infiltrate a local church.  One of two things happens as a result.  The church both withers and dies, or the person is chased out and the church continues to thrive.
 

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Which Church? Do you know what The Church is?
Are you seriously posting on a forum where a majority of the members here believe that the Orthodox Church is the Church founded by Christ and asking them if they know what the Church is?
 

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PeterTheAleut said:
Cyrillic said:
Calling people names like "hypocrite" and "antichrist" is not a nice thing to do.
Then Jesus and His apostles were not nice men.
"Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ. (Ephesians 4:15)"

I think I prefer this approach.
 

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SavedByChrist94 said:
SolEX01 said:
SavedbyChrist94 chooses to use a politically correct translation of the Bible which is only 18 years old (dating back to 1995):

Words and Phrases that could be misunderstood due to changes in their meaning during the past 20 years have been updated to current English
http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-American-Standard-Bible-NASB/
Nope, using one that's used in Biblelexicon.org, as it is most literal, BUT if you want tell me what translation you'd like me to use and I'll still destroy the pharisee arguments.

Also, all translations are bad, you want The Truth? Go to the Greeks, for example in the translations, Matthew 5:28 would look like it says looking at a woman would be a sin, however in The Originals it says coveting a wife(aka looking to commit adultery) which makes sense as looking at a woman isn't adultery and whoever says it is adds to God's Word.
So you know Greek?
 
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