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lubeltri said:
Okay, I'll break my rule this one time. I've never been to the Cathedral of St Louis, Missouri, USA, but it's definitely high on my list:

Ooooo, I love that one! Thank you for posting it. I've heard rumors of a beautiful Roman Catholic church with mosaics in St. Louis. If only more were like this. Actually, I'd settle for even a modest reduction in modernism and Baroque. Love Baroque music, but find the architecture and the fat little cherubs very distracting.
 

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Wyatt said:
ialmisry said:
lubeltri said:
Okay, I'll break my rule this one time. I've never been to the Cathedral of St Louis, Missouri, USA, but it's definitely high on my list:

odd. i've been there but i didn't recognize it in the photo (I think it is the lighting)
Or perhaps your aversion to all things Latin prevented you from seeing the true beauty of it.
You are on your way to becoming a less witty, more trigger happy version of whom you seek to egg on.
 

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Wyatt said:
ialmisry said:
lubeltri said:
Okay, I'll break my rule this one time. I've never been to the Cathedral of St Louis, Missouri, USA, but it's definitely high on my list:

odd. i've been there but i didn't recognize it in the photo (I think it is the lighting)
Or perhaps your aversion to all things Latin prevented you from seeing the true beauty of it.
Hardly. That I have no love for Ultramontanism does not mean I have an aversion to all things Latin.  your prejudice is showing.
 

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ialmisry said:
Hardly. That I have no love for Ultramontanism does not mean I have an aversion to all things Latin.  your prejudice is showing.
Haha, I could have said this. I'm not fond of Ultramontanism either.



 

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Durham Cathedral, northern England (11th-12th centuries)

I love this one, and St. Bede the Venerable is buried here.

I wish I could have seen it before the Protestants usurped it and stripped it of its shrines and iconography (interiors of the great Romanesque and Gothic cathedrals were painted). It still has a strong, severe beauty, perfectly fitting its northern England location.





 

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Response to Jesus' post:
Do you have a problem with the fact that millions of Poles once lived on the Dniestr and Dniepr rivers?
Let us praise that great and holy, defender of the Orthodox faith, Christ's servant, the Thirteenth apostle, the iron man, Iosip Jugashvili, the immortal STALIN who told a Kalmuk and a Kazakh, a Finn and Pole, Tajik and Uzbek, that they have been lied to by the PETTY CAPITALIST and in fact, that they were never Catholic nor Muslim, Lutheran nor Buddhist but GREAT, GREATER, GREATEST GREAT-RUSSIAN nation. The fact that the current Orthodox church of Moscow, does something the Tsars never would of dreamt of, that is that they claim that every citizen of the Russian Federation, is by right of birth, an adherent of Russian Orthodoxy. The Tsar only tried to assimilate Catholics but he did not claim Muslims or Shamanists to be Orthodox.

I view the fact, that the Orthodox branch of our nation was separated from the Catholic branch as a sad event.
This schism in the Commonwealth caused by our great and holy, blessed and apostolic, true believing and insincere, destroyer of all oppression which is the Catholic religion, promoter of Islam and Orthodoxy, Calvinism and Shamanism, His Imperialest Majesty, the Tsar of Holy, Holy, Holy, thrice Holy, thrice thrice thrice Holy social political construct  German occupier of the Eastern Slavs, the Romanov dynasty.
I have even read on one forum, by a self-named Crimean Slav, neither Ukrainian nor Russian who said that nationalities in our region are historical constructions especially the Great Russian nationality. I do not entirely agree with this but in some aspects this might hold true.

 

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synLeszka said:
Response to Jesus' post:
Do you have a problem with the fact that millions of Poles once lived on the Dniestr and Dniepr rivers?
When?
 

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synLeszka said:
Response to Jesus' post:
You mean me?
Do you have a problem with the fact that millions of Poles once lived on the Dniestr and Dniepr rivers?
Armed or otherwise? Since they are gone, not particularly, though I doubt it was millions (I have to see figures).
Let us praise that great and holy, defender of the Orthodox faith, Christ's servant, the Thirteenth apostle, the iron man, Iosip Jugashvili, the immortal STALIN who told a Kalmuk and a Kazakh, a Finn and Pole, Tajik and Uzbek, that they have been lied to by the PETTY CAPITALIST and in fact, that they were never Catholic nor Muslim, Lutheran nor Buddhist but GREAT, GREATER, GREATEST GREAT-RUSSIAN nation.
You seem to place great stock in Soviet propoganda. Are you a Marxist?

I'd ask a Russian, rather than a Georgian, over membership of the Russian nation.

The fact that the current Orthodox church of Moscow, does something the Tsars never would of dreamt of, that is that they claim that every citizen of the Russian Federation, is by right of birth, an adherent of Russian Orthodoxy.
You can of course quote the Patriarch of Moscow or his spokeman making that claim, no?

The Tsar only tried to assimilate Catholics but he did not claim Muslims or Shamanists to be Orthodox.

I view the fact, that the Orthodox branch of our nation was separated from the Catholic branch
The Orthodox branch of your nation form a local autocephalous Church of the Catholic Church.

as a sad event.
This schism in the Commonwealth
"My Kingdon is not of this world"

caused by our great and holy, blessed and apostolic, true believing and insincere, destroyer of all oppression which is the Catholic religion,
You mean the Orthodox Faith into which the ruling house of Lithuania was first baptized, and the first bishop at Krakow professed?

promoter of Islam

a true son of Lech and father of the Vatican.
and Orthodoxy, Calvinism
I recall Calvin being ordained by the Vatican, not the Metropolitan of Moscow.

and Shamanism,

His Imperialest Majesty,
Imperialist? How did all those "millions of Poles" end up outside of Poland on the Dniestr and Dniepr?

the Tsar of Holy, Holy, Holy, thrice Holy, thrice thrice thrice Holy social political construct  German occupier of the Eastern Slavs, the Romanov dynasty.
My, since no dynasty from the loins of Lech has sat on Poland's throne since 1370, one would think you would be more careful.  When the Bolshevks shot the Orthodox confessor Czar St. Nicholas II the blood of Rurik, no matter how diluted, flowed out.

I have even read on one forum, by a self-named Crimean Slav, neither Ukrainian nor Russian who said that nationalities in our region are historical constructions especially the Great Russian nationality. I do not entirely agree with this but in some aspects this might hold true.
Since I am not in your region, I'll leave you to discuss it. As for construct, I do have a branch of ancestors from the region, in Pomerania, who had a German name and nationality but also spoke Polish, something I don't think common among Germans of the German empire. Should I turn out to be partially a son of Lech, it won't change matters.
 

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Azurestone said:
How did a RCC picture thread become yet another isalmisry vs the Pope takeover?
synLeszka (the OP) have been trying to palm off some fantasy theories alongside his pictures.
 

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Azurestone said:
How did a RCC picture thread become yet another isalmisry vs the Pope takeover?
synLeszka said:
Please post pictures of Roman Catholic churches here:
I found this beautiful photo at skyscraper city forum.

This is the Piarist church in Chełm,Poland which is also known by its Ukrainian name Kholm.
Wyatt said:
Now when you say Roman Catholic...you do mean Romanian Orthodox, right? :p
ialmisry said:
Wyatt said:
Now when you say Roman Catholic...you do mean Romanian Orthodox, right? :p
He ought to: Wołoch in Polish means "Romanian/Vlach," Wołochowie historic "Romania," and Włochy "Italy."  It comes from Germanic Wlaha "foreignors, Romans." The Poles were neighbors to the Romanians, according to the Poles the Dniester forming the boundary set by God between them. The Poles were never anywhere near Rome or Italy.

What does this have to do with the Orthodox, except that the OP shows pictures from Kholm, the historic center of Orthodoxy in Poland, that is before the Union of Brest was forced on it, and after that yoke was lifted? St. Vladimir founded it, and it was part of Kievan Rus', but later annexed by the Piasts who set up a Latin bishoprick.  The Orthodox Cathedral was given by the "The Polish Committee of National Liberation" to the Vatican in 1944.
synLeszka said:
Wołoch and Włoch in Polish phonetic alphabet are written as Voůoχ and vůoχ. ů being the equivalent of the English "w" and χ being a sound similar to "h" in human.

Wołoch once signified a person who would now be called Romanian. The historic term for Romania in Polish is Wołoszczyzna. The region which is called Transylvannia was in Polish, Siedmiogród.
What are you talking about that caveat about the Dniestr being the Divinely instituted border of Poland? ::)

The historic centres of Polish Orthodoxy are outside of the modern day borders of Poland. First and foremost, the city of Kyiv/Kiev is the heart of the Polish Orthodoxy, because the majority of Orthodox in Poland are descended from the Kyivan principalities on the Dniepr, who because of political repression emigrated to the West. Another I can mention is Ostróg/Ostroh, Halicz and Włodzimierz Wołyński. The church in question in Jesus's post:

According to the Polish wikipedia here are the owners of the church since its construction in 1756
Wyznanie
greckokatolickie (1756-1875) Greek Catholic
prawosławie (1875-1919) Orthodox
rzymskokatolickie (1919-1940) Roman Catholic
prawosławie (1940-1944) Orthodox
rzymskokatolickie (od 1940) Roman Catholic
synLeszka said:
Response to Jesus' post:
Do you have a problem with the fact that millions of Poles once lived on the Dniestr and Dniepr rivers?
Let us praise that great and holy, defender of the Orthodox faith, Christ's servant, the Thirteenth apostle, the iron man, Iosip Jugashvili, the immortal STALIN who told a Kalmuk and a Kazakh, a Finn and Pole, Tajik and Uzbek, that they have been lied to by the PETTY CAPITALIST and in fact, that they were never Catholic nor Muslim, Lutheran nor Buddhist but GREAT, GREATER, GREATEST GREAT-RUSSIAN nation. The fact that the current Orthodox church of Moscow, does something the Tsars never would of dreamt of, that is that they claim that every citizen of the Russian Federation, is by right of birth, an adherent of Russian Orthodoxy. The Tsar only tried to assimilate Catholics but he did not claim Muslims or Shamanists to be Orthodox.

I view the fact, that the Orthodox branch of our nation was separated from the Catholic branch as a sad event.
This schism in the Commonwealth caused by our great and holy, blessed and apostolic, true believing and insincere, destroyer of all oppression which is the Catholic religion, promoter of Islam and Orthodoxy, Calvinism and Shamanism, His Imperialest Majesty, the Tsar of Holy, Holy, Holy, thrice Holy, thrice thrice thrice Holy social political construct  German occupier of the Eastern Slavs, the Romanov dynasty.
I have even read on one forum, by a self-named Crimean Slav, neither Ukrainian nor Russian who said that nationalities in our region are historical constructions especially the Great Russian nationality. I do not entirely agree with this but in some aspects this might hold true.
Wyatt said:
ialmisry said:
lubeltri said:
Okay, I'll break my rule this one time. I've never been to the Cathedral of St Louis, Missouri, USA, but it's definitely high on my list:

odd. i've been there but i didn't recognize it in the photo (I think it is the lighting)
Or perhaps your aversion to all things Latin prevented you from seeing the true beauty of it.
 

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I see one..ONE..more post that is not either a picture of a Roman Catholic Church or a direct commentary about such a picture and a) this thread gets shut down and b) the offending poster, be they ORthodox, Catholic, Hindu, whatever, gets slapped with an official warning to the next level.

You people are supposed to be adults.  If you're going to act like children, I will treat you as such.

-Schultz.
Orthodox-Catholic discussion moderator still on cold medicine and crankier than ever.
 

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lubeltri said:
Okay, I'll break my rule this one time. I've never been to the Cathedral of St Louis, Missouri, USA, but it's definitely high on my list:
lubeltri said:
Church of Our Saviour, New York
This reminds me of Fr. Seraphim Rose's theory that Byzantine iconography is not strictly Eastern but Universal tradition of the Church. I bow my head to sheer beauty. We might have the most correct theology but RCs have the most beautiful churches. The present pope of Old Rome has mourned the lost of and lack of concept of sacred art in the Latin church. Fortunately it seems that His Holiness was a little wrong. :)

Here and here is couple of panoramas from Turku Cathedral in Finland which used to be Catholic cathedral before reformation. The present RC bishop of Finland was consecrated here.
 

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Here is a church from my hometown, Immaculate Conception in Jacksonville, Fl.
 
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