Ariend
Elder
- Joined
- Mar 28, 2019
- Messages
- 347
- Reaction score
- 119
- Points
- 43
- Age
- 19
- Location
- America
- Website
- www.assemblyofbishops.org
- Faith
- Orthodox Christian
- Jurisdiction
- Antiochian Archdiocese of North America
Just to clarify, Kiev is Kyiv, I just tend to call it Kiev because that's how I called it my whole life (and now looking it up, apparently Kyiv is the Ukraininan name and Kiev is the Russian name)I don't know about Kiev....
If he never was a canonical bishop... was he then not canonical when he was a part of the OCU under Metropolitan Epiphanius?P. Filaret is not, and was not, a canonical bishop. He does not have a large following.
Do you recognize the canonicity of the OCA?Why do you feel so strongly against the OCU... I've asked the same question and not gotten a good answer... do you recognize the canonicity of the OCA... or are they also schismatics?
I never said I felt strongly against it, I haven't made up my mind whether or not I think the OCU under Metropolitan Epiphanios is schismatic. I recognize the canonicity of the OCA because, since the fall of the Russian Empire, North America has never been under the sole ecclesiastical jurisdiction of any one Church. However, for centuries Ukraine has been under the ecclesiastical jurisdiction of the Russian Orthodox Church, and now the Ecumenical Patriarch and the OCU under Metropolitan Epiphanios are violating this ecclesiastical jurisdiction (and then one could argue about whether or not this ecclesiastical governance was revocable, as you have; I'm just stating my views). At the same time, there are many countries with overlapping jurisdictions in each other's territories (such as in America), so I don't think this warrants a schism.
I think it was completely unnecessary for the Ecumenical Patriarch to establish an autocephalous Orthodox Church in Ukraine, since salvation can be found in any Orthodox church, and the faithful in Ukraine had the churches under the Russian Orthodox Church. Autocephaly should happen when it is natural to do so (such as with the OCA), not when it will cause so much division as it has done with Ukraine. Even if Russia has been pushing its agenda through the Ukrainian Orthodox Church under Metropolitan Onufriy, this doesn't deny the fact that Ukrainians can still find salvation through parishes under the Russian Orthodox Church, which is all that matters in the end.