• Please remember: Pray for Ukraine in the Prayer forum; Share news in the Christian News section; Discuss religious implications in FFA: Religious Topics; Discuss political implications in Politics (and if you don't have access, PM me) Thank you! + Fr. George, Forum Administrator

Russian Orthodox Icons

collin_nunis

Jr. Member
Joined
Oct 30, 2007
Messages
38
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Age
36
Location
Malaysia
Website
cmnunis.wordpress.com
Guys, do you know where I can get a glimpse of Russian Orthodox icons ala http://orthodoxicon.org? I'd like to copy some for my keeping. The Russian ones (especially those made at Sofrino) are fantastic!
 

Elisha

Protokentarchos
Joined
Feb 21, 2003
Messages
4,908
Reaction score
1
Points
0
Age
47
Location
NorCal
While you may like those from that site, please realize that they are not traditional. These are very western (as in Renaissance like) in appearance an not like traditional iconography (Greek/Russian/whatever). 
 

DerekMK

Protokentarchos
Joined
Oct 4, 2002
Messages
5,437
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Elisha said:
While you may like those from that site, please realize that they are not traditional. These are very western (as in Renaissance like) in appearance an not like traditional iconography (Greek/Russian/whatever).
Tradition is in the eye of the beholder.  Those kind of icons can be found all over Russia in churches, cathedral and monasteries.  If you simply crunch the demographic numbers it wouldn't be too unreasonable to assume that they very well may be the most common type of Orthodox icon in the world.  And if they speak more to someone's spiritual senses, why add the caveat - St. Seraphim of Sarov prayed in front of such icons.   
 

JoeS

OC.Net Guru
Site Supporter
Joined
Oct 3, 2002
Messages
1,122
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Age
82
Location
Abington, PA USA
Elisha said:
While you may like those from that site, please realize that they are not traditional. These are very western (as in Renaissance like) in appearance an not like traditional iconography (Greek/Russian/whatever). 
We like to refer to this "western" style as Slavic. These type of Icons are also seen in the Christ the Saviour Cathedral in Moscow which has a very rich collection of this style Iconography.
 

Elisha

Protokentarchos
Joined
Feb 21, 2003
Messages
4,908
Reaction score
1
Points
0
Age
47
Location
NorCal
JoeS said:
We like to refer to this "western" style as Slavic. These type of Icons are also seen in the Christ the Saviour Cathedral in Moscow which has a very rich collection of this style Iconography.
Fine, as you two seem to be the iconography experts, I'll let you field this one.
 

DerekMK

Protokentarchos
Joined
Oct 4, 2002
Messages
5,437
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Elisha said:
Fine, as you two seem to be the iconography experts, I'll let you field this one.
I'm not claiming to be an iconography expert, only that is odd to add such a strong caveat to a style iconography that is probably the most numerous in the Orthodox world. 
 

Alexius

Sr. Member
Joined
Feb 16, 2007
Messages
180
Reaction score
1
Points
0
Age
34
Location
Between US and Poland, but my heart is in Russia..
I pray before a "Western" style icon of the Blessed Theotokos and Christ...:) I understand Elisha's point, though. In Ukraine and Russia and even at my parish, the Western style is most prevalent (due mostly to the Western influence under Peter the "Great" and Catherine the Great). I used to not like the Western style, but it has grown on me ;)
 

Elisha

Protokentarchos
Joined
Feb 21, 2003
Messages
4,908
Reaction score
1
Points
0
Age
47
Location
NorCal
Alexius said:
I pray before a "Western" style icon of the Blessed Theotokos and Christ...:) I understand Elisha's point, though. In Ukraine and Russia and even at my parish, the Western style is most prevalent (due mostly to the Western influence under Peter the "Great" and Catherine the Great). I used to not like the Western style, but it has grown on me ;)
As do I...one of St. Seraphim!  I let a (I think former now) priest stay in my extra room for a week and he gave me it as a gift.  Do I prefer traditional styles?  Yes.  Do like "western" styles?  Not really, but I'm not going to throw the one I have away or actively try to get rid of it.  Again, this is another education issue.  Well, also a practical issue.  Many of these icons can be purchased very cheaply since they are factory made (I'm rather certain about this).  For those of little monetary means, it may be a good choice.  Another the other hand, my dad wanted to buy an icon of my patron for me (the Prophet Elisha).  For this icon, I found a blowup of the prophet that was bordering the Theotokos along with other prophets in a book of Bulgarian icons.  I had my priest's wife write this icon since she is one of the best egg tempera iconographers in the country.  It's beautiful and I love it.  Now, if I wanted to get an icon quickly and cheaply for myself or someone as a small gift, I would likely just buy one of these (most likely western looking) at the local Orthodox bookstore.  Depending upon the context of the church/worship space though, certain western looking icons have grown on me a little.
 

JoeS

OC.Net Guru
Site Supporter
Joined
Oct 3, 2002
Messages
1,122
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Age
82
Location
Abington, PA USA
Elisha said:
Fine, as you two seem to be the iconography experts, I'll let you field this one.
I, for one, never claimed to be an expert on iconography.  Im just going on what I have been told by other iconographers who DO deal in this type of work.  They, no I, are the experts.
 

Rowan

Sr. Member
Joined
Jun 28, 2007
Messages
159
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Our priest's son just recently came back from the Ukraine a month or so ago and gave our parish those types of icons to use. Also, that icon style is featured in the Russian Orthodox movie Ostrov.
 

Salpy

Hoplitarches
Joined
Jan 15, 2005
Messages
14,501
Reaction score
18
Points
38
collin_nunis said:
Guys, do you know where I can get a glimpse of Russian Orthodox icons ala http://orthodoxicon.org? I'd like to copy some for my keeping. The Russian ones (especially those made at Sofrino) are fantastic!
http://www.alexandraint.net/index.php?cPath=23&sort=2a&page=3&ralsSID=2318fe8c76ac48ac57b568ce8c3a594c

I think this website has the kind of icons you are looking for.  The icons are reasonably priced enough that you can buy them rather than just copy them. 
 

Alexius

Sr. Member
Joined
Feb 16, 2007
Messages
180
Reaction score
1
Points
0
Age
34
Location
Between US and Poland, but my heart is in Russia..
Elisha said:
As do I...one of St. Seraphim!  I let a (I think former now) priest stay in my extra room for a week and he gave me it as a gift.  Do I prefer traditional styles?  Yes.  Do like "western" styles?  Not really, but I'm not going to throw the one I have away or actively try to get rid of it.  Again, this is another education issue.  Well, also a practical issue.  Many of these icons can be purchased very cheaply since they are factory made (I'm rather certain about this).  For those of little monetary means, it may be a good choice.  Another the other hand, my dad wanted to buy an icon of my patron for me (the Prophet Elisha).  For this icon, I found a blowup of the prophet that was bordering the Theotokos along with other prophets in a book of Bulgarian icons.  I had my priest's wife write this icon since she is one of the best egg tempera iconographers in the country.  It's beautiful and I love it.  Now, if I wanted to get an icon quickly and cheaply for myself or someone as a small gift, I would likely just buy one of these (most likely western looking) at the local Orthodox bookstore.  Depending upon the context of the church/worship space though, certain western looking icons have grown on me a little.
Not the one I have. It cost a pretty penny (it's rather old) :-[
 
Top