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hecma925 said:
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Maybe I have a bad taste, but I like both.
I like the second one, but I don't wear white tops.

(On the other hand, tees with Orthodox stuff in Cyrillic or Arabic script, I totally would.)
"You probably don't even understand it.  It's the "Our Father" prayer in traditional script.  Now off with you."
I have a cup with "Our Father' in Arabic caligraphy. One of my English studens, seeing this, said "Now I don't understand. Do you, miss, believe in Islam?"
 

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Dominika said:
hecma925 said:
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Maybe I have a bad taste, but I like both.
I like the second one, but I don't wear white tops.

(On the other hand, tees with Orthodox stuff in Cyrillic or Arabic script, I totally would.)
"You probably don't even understand it.  It's the "Our Father" prayer in traditional script.  Now off with you."
I have a cup with "Our Father' in Arabic caligraphy. One of my English studens, seeing this, said "Now I don't understand. Do you, miss, believe in Islam?"
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Well, aren't the Serbians and Russians Ortho-bros?
 

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Dominika said:
hecma925 said:
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Maybe I have a bad taste, but I like both.
I like the second one, but I don't wear white tops.

(On the other hand, tees with Orthodox stuff in Cyrillic or Arabic script, I totally would.)
"You probably don't even understand it.  It's the "Our Father" prayer in traditional script.  Now off with you."
I have a cup with "Our Father' in Arabic caligraphy. One of my English studens, seeing this, said "Now I don't understand. Do you, miss, believe in Islam?"
I saw once a t-shirt with the same text in a spiral pattern, gorgeous piece of work, and some Muslim had left a review on the site, basically throwing a hissy fit because he hadn't noticed it was a Christian prayer before he bought it. Something about fools and their money comes to mind... ;D
 

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Arachne said:
I saw once a t-shirt with the same text in a spiral pattern, gorgeous piece of work, and some Muslim had left a review on the site, basically throwing a hissy fit because he hadn't noticed it was a Christian prayer before he bought it. Something about fools and their money comes to mind... ;D
Trolling through prayer!  :angel:
 

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Well, aren't the Serbians and Russians Ortho-bros?
Through ROCOR.
 

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No.  It needs the coat of arms, then it will be just right.
 

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Dominika said:
Is it too much?...





In my opinion, absolutely.

Let me know if you would feel comfortable with an American flag, or a Russian flag.
 

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The Latinists beat us!

 

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I was slightly uncomfortable at an Antiochian parish whose blessing hymn at the end was "God Bless America" during the week of July 4, let alone a country's flag symbolically overshadowing God.
 

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I was slightly uncomfortable at an Antiochian parish whose blessing hymn at the end was "God Bless America" during the week of July 4, let alone a country's flag symbolically overshadowing God.
In Poland it's common in RC churches to sing on some occassions "Boże coś Polskę przez tak liczne wieki otaczał blaskiem potęgi i chwały..." (Oh God that has given Poland over so many centuries shine of power and glory etc.). I think it used to be sung also in some Orthodox parishes before the 2WW.
Serbian national anthem is "Boze pravde" (Oh God of the truth).
It's nothing surprising.
 

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I was slightly uncomfortable at an Antiochian parish whose blessing hymn at the end was "God Bless America" during the week of July 4, let alone a country's flag symbolically overshadowing God.
Did it, though?
 

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The parish I visited, yes.

I'm not gonna tell them they "can't" do it - it's not my parish, and I don't know if there is anything that morally wrong with it. I just think it defeats the whole idea of the "Liturgy being a preview of Heaven" kind of thing, and there are far worse liturgical abuses in Orthodox countries when it comes to patriotism, as Dominika just showed us.

The Liturgy is supposed to be a time to let go of all earthly cares, aside from praying for others.
 

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Sone people are just really happy their ancestors had sex.

God said, "Be fruitful."
 

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Orthodox patriotism is nothign something bad. I mean patriotysm, not nationalism. We pray at every service for our homeland, their authorities and army....

Some Orthodox examples from Poland:

(the bishop is the Orthodox chaplain of Polish Army)

Symbol of the Orthodox chaplancy of the Polish Army


Epistle book

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It makes sense for the chaplaincy, although it is way more subtle than the Romanians.
 

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No, I think Patriotism is completely healthy - provided that the government allows you to practice your religion. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being respectful and obedient to the authorities above you, and to pay homage to those who serve the government which allows you to practice your religion.

However, I think like most healthy, positive things - including the Liturgy itself (of which I'm guilty of this sin) - it can become an idol, that takes priority over Christ.
 

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Dominika said:
Is it too much?...





Yep, that’s so bad I would classify it as a liturgical abuse.  No Orthodox country has a flag worthy of being used in vestments and paraments; even the double eagle flag of the Ecumenical Patriarchate would be gross.  As liturgical abuses in the name of Romanian nationalism go, the only thing I could think of that would be worse than this would be if the clergy dressed up as Vlad Dracul.

Also using national flags in the liturgy screams ethnophyletism.  Would a Bulgarian or a Ukrainian Orthodox feel comfortable there?  And how can we possibly hope to evangelize the Turks or the Hungarians if we put on displays of this sort?
 

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Dominika said:
Orthodox patriotism is nothign something bad. I mean patriotysm, not nationalism. We pray at every service for our homeland, their authorities and army....

Some Orthodox examples from Poland:

(the bishop is the Orthodox chaplain of Polish Army)

Symbol of the Orthodox chaplancy of the Polish Army


Epistle book

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This is tasteful and completely acceptable.

The problem really with the Romanian paraments is they were on the aer and the chalice covers, some of the holiest vestments, intimately linked with the Eucharist.
 

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Maybe you just hate Romanians and the love that they have for their God-given land.
 

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hecma925 said:
Maybe you just hate Romanians and the love that they have for their God-given land.
On the contrary, I love them, and my favorite local parish, the one I had planned on joining, where I went for Paschal liturgy, and where I go as often as I can, is the Romanian Orthodox parish.  I’m very close to saying the Romanian church is my favorite EO church, musically speaking (at a minimum, they are tied with the Ukraine and Bulgaria, and are way ahead of Greece and the Ruthenianss; they do Byzantine chant brilliantly but also use a range of modern tonal compositions including the music commonly used in the Russian liturgy, and more modern compositions that sound closer to contemporary Greek four part harmony of the Tikey Zes-Michaelides sort everyone loves to hate on).

I also desperately want to see an English translation of the Romanian Philokalia, which has additional material not in the Athonite version.

Finally, I love the sound of their language: Romanian, French and Portuguese are my favorite Romance languages.  I also wish the Aromanians had services in their language.  Also the Romanian national anthem is one of my favorites, on a par with those of Italy, Belgium, France and Russia.

If I could live anywhere, a small town in the Romanian hinterland would be second only to a relative’s farm in Sweden.
 

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I also desperately want to see an English translation of the Romanian Philokalia, which has additional material not in the Athonite version.
What kind of additional material? I don't know any Romanian, but if we pretend it's just some Slav trying to speak an obscure Italian dialect, it gets easier.
 

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It's written in Serbian "Christ is born!"

 

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I want it so badly.
 

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Catholic in fact, but conitans also Orthodox saint: holy cards

 

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Patron to pharmacists? I don't get it.
 

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We need to have a new Orthodox meme template: "Thirsty Theodosius," responding to things related to the intersection of piety and the bedroom.
 

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Plot twist:

I have the same symbol tattooed on my torso.
 

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Why is the poo emoji so happy looking? :poop:
 
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