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ialmisry said:
odd that your patriarchs come in the plural. That great font of unity at the Vatican at work again.
Not odd, expected. Our faith unifies varying cultural and liturgical traditions. Something that your religion has been unable to do.
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Ultramontaine suffragans of the Vatican's supreme pontiff aren't Catholic. We keep the Apostolic definiton of Patriarch St. Ignatius on these things.
People in communion with the Catholic Church are not ultramontanits. Swing and a miss for you again.
 

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Hey Isa, It's all good. when you guys decide you want to join the Catholic Church, we'll let you keep your Antiochian Patriarch.
You tried that with St. Meletius. Didn't work then, won't work now. We stuck, and will stick, with the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Don't you mean that you stuck with and stick with the Eastern Orthodox Church?
Same thing. Like Vatican and Ultramontanism.

If you wanna join the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church,
Did so, many years ago.

we would be happy to have you,
I know that. The fathers at the High School I attended were perplexed how you guys didn't.

but then you would have to come into communion with Pope Benedict XVI we all know how  you feel all icky about that.
When the Orthodox Fathers of the Catholic Church gathered under the presidency of St. Meletius at New Rome, they were not in communion with Old Rome, since its bishop was insisting on the usurper Paulinus, the man who ordained the main man of the Latinization of Rome (which was Greek before), St. Jerome.  Yet these fathers of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church went on to set down the Orthodox Creed of the Catholic Church, while Paulinus' line died off-not even the Vatican's suffragans claim him.
 

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^ Hey Isa, you live in a fantasy world, and its embarrassing for you because you make your Church a parody of mine. That is not very respectful to your own religion.
 

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ialmisry said:
odd that your patriarchs come in the plural. That great font of unity at the Vatican at work again.
Not odd, expected. Our faith unifies varying cultural and liturgical traditions.


Something that your religion has been unable to do.
LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.

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ialmisry said:
Ultramontaine suffragans of the Vatican's supreme pontiff aren't Catholic. We keep the Apostolic definiton of Patriarch St. Ignatius on these things.
People in communion with the Catholic Church are not ultramontanits.
Exactly. Which is why Pat. Ignatius Hazim is in commuinon with St. Peter, and Card. Nasrallah Boutros Sfeir, Card. Ignatius Moussa I Daoud, Card. Maximos V Hakim and Titular Pat. Roberto Vicentini are/were in communion with Paulinus with your supreme pontiff Benedict XVI.

Swing and a miss for you again
Your supreme pontiff missed with Paulinus. Again.
 

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LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.
LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.
 

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^ Hey Isa, you live in a fantasy world, and its embarrassing for you because you make your Church a parody of mine. That is not very respectful to your own religion.
Your pontiff is the one who stole the title of "Pope" from its original, true, and continued bearer, His Most Divinely-Protected Beatitude the Pope and Patriarch of the Great City of Alexandria, Libya, Pentapolis, Ethiopia, all the land of Egypt, and all Africa, Father of Fathers, Shepherd of Shepherds, Prelate of Prelates, thirteenth of the Apostles, and Judge of the Universe," and tried to cover it with a forged donation from the Emperor of New Rome.
 

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LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.
LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.
1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
 

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ialmisry said:
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ialmisry said:
LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.
LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.
1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
And the pallium is awesome.
 

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ialmisry said:
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ialmisry said:
LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.
LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.
1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
No, I mean when your Patriarch of Constantinople "excommunicated" the Pope. It's almost laughable.
 

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^ Um, don't make a "historian" joke and then fudge the detail of who was excommunicated; the EP knew that the Pope was dead, so your assertion that he excommunicated a dead man is "laughable."  IIRC, Humbert and his fellow legates (who had no authority at the time, since their source of authority - Il Papa - had passed away) were anathematized.  I suppose it is another twist of irony that you make a "historian" comment and then bring up the schism; the bull of excommunication that Humbert drew up listed as a reason for schism that the East had removed the filioque from the original Creed.  Oh, well.
 

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^ Um, don't make a "historian" joke and then fudge the detail of who was excommunicated; the EP knew that the Pope was dead, so your assertion that he excommunicated a dead man is "laughable."  IIRC, Humbert and his fellow legates (who had no authority at the time, since their source of authority - Il Papa - had passed away) were anathematized.  I suppose it is another twist of irony that you make a "historian" comment and then bring up the schism; the bull of excommunication that Humbert drew up listed as a reason for schism that the East had removed the filioque from the original Creed.  Oh, well.
I am well aware of the fact that Humbert was wrong.
 

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^ Um, don't make a "historian" joke and then fudge the detail of who was excommunicated; the EP knew that the Pope was dead, so your assertion that he excommunicated a dead man is "laughable."  IIRC, Humbert and his fellow legates (who had no authority at the time, since their source of authority - Il Papa - had passed away) were anathematized.  I suppose it is another twist of irony that you make a "historian" comment and then bring up the schism; the bull of excommunication that Humbert drew up listed as a reason for schism that the East had removed the filioque from the original Creed.  Oh, well.
I am well aware of the fact that Humbert was wrong.
In that he represented your ecclesiatical organization quite well.
 

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Here is the text of the Bull...

Message 13 at

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,14980.msg214346/topicseen.html#msg214346
 

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ialmisry said:
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Fr. George said:
^ Um, don't make a "historian" joke and then fudge the detail of who was excommunicated; the EP knew that the Pope was dead, so your assertion that he excommunicated a dead man is "laughable."  IIRC, Humbert and his fellow legates (who had no authority at the time, since their source of authority - Il Papa - had passed away) were anathematized.  I suppose it is another twist of irony that you make a "historian" comment and then bring up the schism; the bull of excommunication that Humbert drew up listed as a reason for schism that the East had removed the filioque from the original Creed.  Oh, well.
I am well aware of the fact that Humbert was wrong.
In that he represented your ecclesiatical organization quite well.
Nope.
 

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LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.
LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.
1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
And the pallium is awesome.
I'm not into leashes, but whatever turns you on.
 

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^ Um, don't make a "historian" joke and then fudge the detail of who was excommunicated; the EP knew that the Pope was dead, so your assertion that he excommunicated a dead man is "laughable."  IIRC, Humbert and his fellow legates (who had no authority at the time, since their source of authority - Il Papa - had passed away) were anathematized.  I suppose it is another twist of irony that you make a "historian" comment and then bring up the schism; the bull of excommunication that Humbert drew up listed as a reason for schism that the East had removed the filioque from the original Creed.  Oh, well.
I am well aware of the fact that Humbert was wrong.
In that he represented your ecclesiatical organization quite well.
Nope.
Then why did you bring him up?
 

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ialmisry said:
Papist said:
ialmisry said:
LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.
LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.
1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
No, I mean when your Patriarch of Constantinople "excommunicated" the Pope. It's almost laughable.
Did the Father of the Sixth Ecumenical Council laugh?
 

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Papist said:
ialmisry said:
Papist said:
Fr. George said:
^ Um, don't make a "historian" joke and then fudge the detail of who was excommunicated; the EP knew that the Pope was dead, so your assertion that he excommunicated a dead man is "laughable."  IIRC, Humbert and his fellow legates (who had no authority at the time, since their source of authority - Il Papa - had passed away) were anathematized.  I suppose it is another twist of irony that you make a "historian" comment and then bring up the schism; the bull of excommunication that Humbert drew up listed as a reason for schism that the East had removed the filioque from the original Creed.  Oh, well.
I am well aware of the fact that Humbert was wrong.
In that he represented your ecclesiatical organization quite well.
Nope.
Papist, I am in awe of your insurmountable rhetoric.
 

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ialmisry said:
Papist said:
ialmisry said:
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ialmisry said:
LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.
LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.
1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
No, I mean when your Patriarch of Constantinople "excommunicated" the Pope. It's almost laughable.
Did the Father os the Sixth Ecumenical Council laugh?
Pretty sure I read "Those that deny 'the Father os the Sixth Exumenical Council' didst laugh, let him be anathema!"
 

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Irish Hermit said:
Here is the text of the Bull...

Message 13 at

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,14980.msg214346/topicseen.html#msg214346
Since it has come up here some interesting bits
2.  like Valesians, they castrate their guests and promote them not only to the clergy but to the episcopacy;

Therefore, because we did not tolerate this unheard of outrage and injury of the first, holy, and apostolic see and were concerned that the catholic faith would be undermined in many ways, by the authority of the holy and individuatedTrinity and the apostolic see, whose embassy we are performing, and of all the orthodox fathers from the seven councils and of the entire catholic Church, we thus subscribe to the following anathema which the most reverend pope has proclaimed upon Michael and his followers unless they should repent.
Odd, since the Council that the Vatican claims as its eigth council now took place in 869-70, almost two centuries before this, and it was to keep EP St. Ignatius, a eunuch, on the patriarchal throne.
 

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ialmisry said:
Irish Hermit said:
Here is the text of the Bull...

Message 13 at

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,14980.msg214346/topicseen.html#msg214346
Since it has come up here some interesting bits
2.  like Valesians, they castrate their guests and promote them not only to the clergy but to the episcopacy;

Therefore, because we did not tolerate this unheard of outrage and injury of the first, holy, and apostolic see and were concerned that the catholic faith would be undermined in many ways, by the authority of the holy and individuatedTrinity and the apostolic see, whose embassy we are performing, and of all the orthodox fathers from the seven councils and of the entire catholic Church, we thus subscribe to the following anathema which the most reverend pope has proclaimed upon Michael and his followers unless they should repent.
Odd, since the Council that the Vatican claims as its eigth council now took place in 869-70, almost two centuries before this, and it was to keep EP St. Ignatius, a eunuch, on the patriarchal throne.
That is odd...
 

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dcommini said:
Papist said:
ialmisry said:
Papist said:
Fr. George said:
^ Um, don't make a "historian" joke and then fudge the detail of who was excommunicated; the EP knew that the Pope was dead, so your assertion that he excommunicated a dead man is "laughable."  IIRC, Humbert and his fellow legates (who had no authority at the time, since their source of authority - Il Papa - had passed away) were anathematized.  I suppose it is another twist of irony that you make a "historian" comment and then bring up the schism; the bull of excommunication that Humbert drew up listed as a reason for schism that the East had removed the filioque from the original Creed.  Oh, well.
I am well aware of the fact that Humbert was wrong.
In that he represented your ecclesiatical organization quite well.
Nope.
Papist, I am in awe of your insurmountable rhetoric.
  :D
 

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ialmisry said:
Papist said:
ialmisry said:
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ialmisry said:
LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.
LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.
1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
No, I mean when your Patriarch of Constantinople "excommunicated" the Pope. It's almost laughable.
Did the Father of the Sixth Ecumenical Council laugh?
They are laughing at you now, because they couldn't have possibly meant what you think they meant.
 

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Papist said:
ialmisry said:
Papist said:
ialmisry said:
Papist said:
ialmisry said:
LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.
LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.
1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
No, I mean when your Patriarch of Constantinople "excommunicated" the Pope. It's almost laughable.
Did the Father of the Sixth Ecumenical Council laugh?
They are laughing at you now, because they couldn't have possibly meant what you think they meant.
Because what they said in plain language doesn't suit you? Not only could they mean what they said, they did mean what they said.

"Anathema to Honorius the heretic!"
 

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ialmisry said:
Papist said:
ialmisry said:
Papist said:
ialmisry said:
Papist said:
ialmisry said:
LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.
LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.
1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
No, I mean when your Patriarch of Constantinople "excommunicated" the Pope. It's almost laughable.
Did the Father of the Sixth Ecumenical Council laugh?
They are laughing at you now, because they couldn't have possibly meant what you think they meant.
Because what they said in plain language doesn't suit you? Not only could they mean what they said, they did mean what they said.

"Anathema to Honorius the heretic!"
No, becaue the word heretic was used more broadly back then.
 

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Papist said:
ialmisry said:
Papist said:
ialmisry said:
Papist said:
ialmisry said:
Papist said:
ialmisry said:
LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.
LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.
1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
No, I mean when your Patriarch of Constantinople "excommunicated" the Pope. It's almost laughable.
Did the Father of the Sixth Ecumenical Council laugh?
They are laughing at you now, because they couldn't have possibly meant what you think they meant.
Because what they said in plain language doesn't suit you? Not only could they mean what they said, they did mean what they said.

"Anathema to Honorius the heretic!"
No, becaue the word heretic was used more broadly back then.
Anathema to Honorius the heretic!
 

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ialmisry said:
Papist said:
ialmisry said:
Papist said:
ialmisry said:
Papist said:
ialmisry said:
Papist said:
ialmisry said:
LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.
LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.
1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
No, I mean when your Patriarch of Constantinople "excommunicated" the Pope. It's almost laughable.
Did the Father of the Sixth Ecumenical Council laugh?
They are laughing at you now, because they couldn't have possibly meant what you think they meant.
Because what they said in plain language doesn't suit you? Not only could they mean what they said, they did mean what they said.

"Anathema to Honorius the heretic!"
No, becaue the word heretic was used more broadly back then.
Anathema to Honorius the heretic!
Anathema to you.  ;)
 

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Papist said:
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Papist said:
ialmisry said:
Papist said:
ialmisry said:
Papist said:
ialmisry said:
Papist said:
ialmisry said:
LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.
LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.
1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
No, I mean when your Patriarch of Constantinople "excommunicated" the Pope. It's almost laughable.
Did the Father of the Sixth Ecumenical Council laugh?
They are laughing at you now, because they couldn't have possibly meant what you think they meant.
Because what they said in plain language doesn't suit you? Not only could they mean what they said, they did mean what they said.

"Anathema to Honorius the heretic!"
No, becaue the word heretic was used more broadly back then.
Anathema to Honorius the heretic!
Anathema to you.  ;)
The Fathers say that the curses of heretics are blessings and the blessings of heretics are curses.
 

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Papist said:
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The Fathers say that the curses of heretics are blessings and the blessings of heretics are curses.
Not sure how this is relevant.  ???
I think you're playing dumb again. Come on, you seem smart. I'm pretty sure you really know what he meant.
 
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