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LBK said:
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Nativity of the Theotokos
Again, not a "strange" icon. It shows various aspects of the Virgin's nativity story: the prayers of Sts Anna and Joachim to God to give them a child and overcome their barrenness, and the angels announcing to them that God has heard their prayers and they will conceive; the conception (shown by the saints embracing); the birth; and the washing of the newborn child by midwives.

What is "strange" is that the icon is painted in a Russian style, but with Arabic inscriptions.  ;D
I thought that the idea of placing all the events in something being a kind of one palace (?) is quite strange; I know the building in background of the icon for this feast is very normal, but not in node in such way, as a main theme
 

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I thought that the idea of placing all the events in something being a kind of one palace (?) is quite strange;
It's not only common in iconography, but it also expresses the timelessness of the events. Linear time as we know it does not exist in heaven, just as icons are/should not be not painted in a naturalistic way using linear perspective.

Here's an icon of the Transfiguration which shows multiple aspects of the story:

 

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Let every breath glorify the Lord


By the rivers of Babylon


A bit different version of specific type of Christ's harrowing into Hades


A few less common elements of the Crucifixion icon


Redeption. Actually, maybe it's schlocky
 

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Dominika said:
Redeption. Actually, maybe it's schlocky
It is indeed schlock. Among other problems, it shows Tsar Ivan IV (Ivan Grozny) and Rasputin as saints.
 
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LBK said:
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Looks a bit like the Theotokos of Athos.

And was created from the very similar idea. I can't see anything wrong with the LA icon as long as the Athonite is OK.
There is the problem of the Native American "Christ" and "Mother of God" surrounded by mandorlas in the LA painting.  :police:
In looking at the photos of the glorification of St. Sebastian of San Francisco and Jackson, which took place at Saint Steven Serbian Orthodox Cathedral in Alhambra, CA, I see that a copy of the "Our Lady of the Angels" icon is enshrined there: http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/pictures/images/9wadpatririneivisit15_10_jpg.jpg
 

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By the hand of Fr. Stamatis Skliris.

The eyes are just weird.  The rest looks sloppy, like the Serbs called him the night before and ordered a painting to be done.
 

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By the hand of Fr. Stamatis Skliris.

The eyes are just weird.  The rest looks sloppy, like the Serbs called him the night before and ordered a painting to be done.
Even before I had scrolled down to see what you had written, I knew it was a Skliris work.

Not only are the eyes typical of his work, too large and with an unsettling gaze (there's quite a difference between "not of this world" and "weird"), but the small white dot in the irises is plain wrong. It speaks of reflected light from an external, earthly light source, the opposite of the divine Light which radiates from within a saint.

He also has signed his work in the lower left corner: +St. Not even "by the hand of". Another reason not to encourage patronage of his work.
 

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Wow. I thought that the icon had St. Sebastian looking at this world and getting weird since he already knows about the Better Place.
Does any here look and see comfort around here?
I mean more than OC Net.
:eek:
 

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LenInSebastopol said:
Wow. I thought that the icon had St. Sebastian looking at this world and getting weird since he already knows about the Better Place.
This is a serious misunderstanding of what iconography is and stands for.  :(
 

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LBK said:
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Wow. I thought that the icon had St. Sebastian looking at this world and getting weird since he already knows about the Better Place.
This is a serious misunderstanding of what iconography is and stands for.  :(
Serious?
Don't feel it, but if you say so.
 

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LBK said:
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I think it has been posted somewhere and discussed (however, surely not in this thread) but probably not this particular version; it's from a Serbian monastery, it seems to be Gradac (XIII c). If the exact fresco was posted, I'm sorry for the duplication :p

This is an icon of Christ as the Ancient of Days, as seen in the inscription IC-XC, painted in the four red medallions either side of Him. The double halo is rather odd, but everything else is quite proper.

In the lower section of the icon are these words from the hymn at the Eucharistic Canon: Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord Sabaoth! Heaven and earth are full of Your glory.
Is that Canon the translation of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NadxBC61tmE

I thought this hymn was exclusively Roman Catholic?
 

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This is the hymn from the Divine Liturgy:

Holy Holy Holy Lord Sabaoth,
Heaven and earth are full of Your glory!
Hosanna in the highest!
Blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord
Hosanna in the highest!
 

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^^ Icon of the feast of the renewal (consecration) of the Resurrection Church in Jerusalem

There is an old icon in such type:


And another type of this feast's icon:

I found a detailes description in Russian: http://www.ermolino-monastery.ru/Site/ikona/ikona.htm
 

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Five Sunday of the Great Lent (especially the one with the Transfiguration and st. Gregory Palams is interesting, as it higlights the idea of puting st. Gregory on the 2nd Sunday of the Great Lent, so the teach of the Divine Energies that shined on the Mount Tabor and RC still have the reading about the Transfiguration of this Sunday and so on; I find also nice the idea of putting the Cross in the middle, as it's the reason of putting the Cross Sunday in the middle of Great Lent)
 

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Is there an icon that displays an icon of an icon (like the victory over the Iconoclasts), causing an infinite loop? An Icon-ception?
 

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Amatorus said:
Is there an icon that displays an icon of an icon (like the victory over the Iconoclasts), causing an infinite loop? An Icon-ception?
Yep.



Icons of the Pantokrator, the Hodegetria, and the Not Made By Hands, all inside a icon of the Triumph of Orthodoxy.
 

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HaydenTE said:
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Is there an icon that displays an icon of an icon (like the victory over the Iconoclasts), causing an infinite loop? An Icon-ception?
Yep.



Icons of the Pantokrator, the Hodegetria, and the Not Made By Hands, all inside a icon of the Triumph of Orthodoxy.
Hmm, that's interesting...I actually meant though like an icon of the Triumph of Orthodoxy within an icon, causing an endless depiciton. Like this image:

 

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Amatorus said:
HaydenTE said:
Amatorus said:
Is there an icon that displays an icon of an icon (like the victory over the Iconoclasts), causing an infinite loop? An Icon-ception?
Yep.



Icons of the Pantokrator, the Hodegetria, and the Not Made By Hands, all inside a icon of the Triumph of Orthodoxy.
Hmm, that's interesting...I actually meant though like an icon of the Triumph of Orthodoxy within an icon, causing an endless depiciton. Like this image:

Oh, I see. Well, you're out of luck.
 

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HaydenTE said:
Amatorus said:
HaydenTE said:
Amatorus said:
Is there an icon that displays an icon of an icon (like the victory over the Iconoclasts), causing an infinite loop? An Icon-ception?
Yep.



Icons of the Pantokrator, the Hodegetria, and the Not Made By Hands, all inside a icon of the Triumph of Orthodoxy.
Hmm, that's interesting...I actually meant though like an icon of the Triumph of Orthodoxy within an icon, causing an endless depiciton. Like this image:

Oh, I see. Well, you're out of luck.
Or have this cheap edit I made.

 

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HaydenTE said:
HaydenTE said:
Amatorus said:
HaydenTE said:
Amatorus said:
Is there an icon that displays an icon of an icon (like the victory over the Iconoclasts), causing an infinite loop? An Icon-ception?
Yep.



Icons of the Pantokrator, the Hodegetria, and the Not Made By Hands, all inside a icon of the Triumph of Orthodoxy.
Hmm, that's interesting...I actually meant though like an icon of the Triumph of Orthodoxy within an icon, causing an endless depiciton. Like this image:

Oh, I see. Well, you're out of luck.
Or have this cheap edit I made.

good enough haha  :D
 

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Just one thing here is strange: that the cross can be drown out from the icon
 

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Dominika said:
Mor Ephrem said:
:eek: Firstly I thought it's photoshoped (some faces look too much natural), however it's also on the official website of the Kruševac diocese...
Probably not photoshopped, though it seems pretty clear that seven of those figures weren't originally there (surrounding the bishop, two on both sides and three directly above). On the far right and far left, you can still see the halos of those pasted over.
 

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This might be in the wrong place, but I wasn't sure where else to put it...

Saw this floating around the web...



The Holy Martyrs of Libya by a Serbian artist named Nicola Saric. On the one hand, he's named as an 'artist,' on the other hand, he has chosen a very specific style and the image is currently on display at Brenkhausen Monastery (Coptic Orthodox) in Höxter, Germany as a 'modern icon.'

Are the OO rules different? Because I find it decidedly unsettling. It doesn't look like any icon I've ever seen.
 

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CrystalMind said:
This might be in the wrong place, but I wasn't sure where else to put it...

Saw this floating around the web...



The Holy Martyrs of Libya by a Serbian artist named Nicola Saric. On the one hand, he's named as an 'artist,' on the other hand, he has chosen a very specific style and the image is currently on display at Brenkhausen Monastery (Coptic Orthodox) in Höxter, Germany as a 'modern icon.'

Are the OO rules different? Because I find it decidedly unsettling. It doesn't look like any icon I've ever seen.
I'm not an expert on iconography. Can you elaborate on what the problems are with this? I guess the depictions of ISIS are troubling, in the sense that they aren't portrayed as defeated. It seems that icons that portray Satan, demons, or evildoers usually depict them as being defeated by Christ or St. Michael. I'm just speculating. I don't know for certain. I need to learn more about iconography.

Selam
 

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My problem with it is that it's so dark.  Even Christ's glory is subdued.  There are plenty of icons of martyrs where the executioners are depicted where they are not necessarily being "defeated" at the moment.


 

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hecma925 said:
My problem with it is that it's so dark.  Even Christ's glory is subdued.  There are plenty of icons of martyrs where the executioners are depicted where they are not necessarily being "defeated" at the moment.


That makes sense. Although these icons look pretty dark as well. But, yeah, something just doesn't quite seem right about the icon in question. But God bless the artist for trying to bring attention to these holy martyrs.

Selam
 

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Gebre Menfes Kidus said:
CrystalMind said:
This might be in the wrong place, but I wasn't sure where else to put it...

Saw this floating around the web...



The Holy Martyrs of Libya by a Serbian artist named Nicola Saric. On the one hand, he's named as an 'artist,' on the other hand, he has chosen a very specific style and the image is currently on display at Brenkhausen Monastery (Coptic Orthodox) in Höxter, Germany as a 'modern icon.'

Are the OO rules different? Because I find it decidedly unsettling. It doesn't look like any icon I've ever seen.
I'm not an expert on iconography. Can you elaborate on what the problems are with this? I guess the depictions of ISIS are troubling, in the sense that they aren't portrayed as defeated. It seems that icons that portray Satan, demons, or evildoers usually depict them as being defeated by Christ or St. Michael. I'm just speculating. I don't know for certain. I need to learn more about iconography.

Selam
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hecma925 said:
My problem with it is that it's so dark.  Even Christ's glory is subdued.  There are plenty of icons of martyrs where the executioners are depicted where they are not necessarily being "defeated" at the moment.
That makes sense. Although these icons look pretty dark as well. But, yeah, something just doesn't quite seem right about the icon in question. But God bless the artist for trying to bring attention to these holy martyrs.

Selam
Thank you for the other icons, hecma. I've only seen the one of St. Stephan, before.

I don't know much about iconography, either, which is why I wanted to ask about this. Specifically, the things bothering me:

My understanding has always been that saints are depicted as they are in heaven? (This may be incorrect) In this case, though, they seem decidedly earthly. They're depicted at the moment of excecution, clad as prisoners, with their necks wrenched out of place, surrounded by a river of their own blood.

In contrast, I'm used to seeing groups of martyrs depicted like this: Holy Chinese Martyrs of the Boxer Rebellion

I think the artist's intent is good. But the final work--in the style of an icon, but somehow off--is unsettling. (And I'm still not convinced that this is meant as an icon for veneration... regardless of how the internet is reporting it.)
 

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In another icon of these martyrs, I have seen them depicted without the terrorists. There is Christ, raining crowns of martyrdom on the people. I think someone posted it on another thread.
 

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biro said:
In another icon of these martyrs, I have seen them depicted without the terrorists. There is Christ, raining crowns of martyrdom on the people. I think someone posted it on another thread.

you are thinking of this one


 
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