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Mor Ephrem said:
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Mor Ephrem said:
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St. Justin Martyr would list him a Christian.
Oh?
Chapter 46

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0126.htm
That's a very particular application for a very particular purpose.  I doubt Hippocrates would've been communed without baptism based on this.
Sure, but maybe whoever did this art was thinking about that. Or it's just Hellenism indeed. :p
 

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Certainly interesting, and white, IMHO, could just as easily sybolize heaven and divinity as much as red does, but then the blue loses its meaning. If we are going to use white, we should use red rather than blue. The white for heaven and divine light, the red for flesh and blood. Isn't this how it is done in Coptic icons anyway?
 

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Clearly based off of this image from the Catacomb of Priscilla



I thought that the woman in the catacomb was a woman who had been buried there, not the Mother of God.
 

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There's another variant of the Virgin of the Sign which also shows the child in the womb as an actual unclothed infant but with a less naturalistic posture.
 

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Mor Ephrem said:
A reminder:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,47878.msg1095466.html#msg1095466 (and posts that follow)

and

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,39397.msg681004.html#msg681004
 

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Mor Ephrem said:
I read the information at those links and still see nothing wrong with that icon.
It does not conform to any of the Canonical Types (tm) listed in the Sacred LBK Database.
 

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I'm not sure what's wrong with it, per se (and I'm no authority), but it does seem strange, as in the "Strange Icons" thread, to have a pregnant Theotokos and unborn Christ.

So in that sense, it does seem to differ and be anomalous to most accepted traditional depictions. Perhaps that's what LBK's criticism is.
 

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At a certain point in time the Theotokos of Vladimir or the Rublev Trinity would have probably looked a bit odd too.
 

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At a certain point in time the Theotokos of Vladimir or the Rublev Trinity would have probably looked a bit odd too.
I'm sure there was an LBK back then too.
 

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^^ yes. But most of them is difficult to recognise (at least for me).


A Georgian icon
 

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mike said:
There are no primates  of Catholic Churches.
Now that you mentioned, it seems there actually are, but they're not what I thought they meant. I meant "leader of a sui juris church" but it's actually just a title given to important Latin rite bishops: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate_(bishop)
 

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RaphaCam said:
mike said:
There are no primates  of Catholic Churches.
Now that you mentioned, it seems there actually are, but they're not what I thought they meant. I meant "leader of a sui juris church" but it's actually just a title given to important Latin rite bishops: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate_(bishop)
You mentioned it.

And there aren't as that picture depicts recent Crete council, where there weren't any Catholic primates. And a good part of the bishops is easily recognizable.
 

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RaphaCam said:
I recognised many of them as Orthodox bishops, but I thought two of them were Patriarchs Gregory (Melkite) and Bechara (Maronite).
The last one would have different hat (like Alexandrian pope).
Anyway, despite wathing these faces everyday, I can't recognise most of them.
But maybe it's because I generally have problems to remember (most of) faces and it sometimes leads to stupid and/or funny situations...:laugh:
 

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Dominika said:
RaphaCam said:
I recognised many of them as Orthodox bishops, but I thought two of them were Patriarchs Gregory (Melkite) and Bechara (Maronite).
The last one would have different hat (like Alexandrian pope).
Anyway, despite wathing these faces everyday, I can't recognise most of them.
But maybe it's because I generally have problems to remember (most of) faces and it sometimes leads to stupid and/or funny situations...:laugh:
I also suffer from face amnesia. 
 
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