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Just saw a post on a Ukrainian web site, telling that yesterday night, one very popular young female Ukrainian singer gave an incredibly cynical, outrageous TV interview.

Ruslana Lyzhychko, an "icon" of young pop music fans, the person who sang the national anthem of Ukraine during the World Cup soccer championship in Madrid (1996), told a Kyiv TV talk show host that as far as car driving goes, she does not care about any laws. "I love my Hammer," she said, "and you know, my speed begins with 180 kilometers per hour. I don't care if these policemen stop me. I stop, and I even pay their stupid fines, and so what? I just cannot drive like these other people. I love speed. Also, I don't like all these stop signs, and traffic lights, and when they put their stupid plastic or metal posts, blocking my way, telling me to not drive by this or that road. I just hate that. I go straight ahead and I smash all these blocking posts like crap. My dear Hammer can do it. It is big enough, powerful. They whistle, they chase me, they stop me, but I won't change, I am a free spirit."

The Web site post went on to say that hundreds of people made very angry phone calls to the TV studio, demanding to stop this outrageous blabbering, but they were ignored. One person (a middle-aged woman) was hospitalized after viewing this program - she had a very bad heart attack, because some time ago her teenage son was killed by a driver like this Ruslana gal.

I feel terrible that things like this become more and more routine in Ukraine, the country of my birth. If you are rich, poverful, famous, you can get away with anything and even advertise it on the national TV...

What do you guys think, how can this be stopped?
 

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Schultz said:
Does Ukraine have privately owned television stations, or was this on a state-owned broadcast? 
Ukraine has both state-owned stations ("UT-1," "Inter" and other), and privately owned stations (e.g. "1+1"). I am not sure what channel broadcasted this show. The name of the show is "Cвітські хроніки" ("Chronicles of the Life of the High Society"). It has a very scandalous reputation because the guests are often drunk, say obscene things etc. People often call it "Cвинські хроніки" ("Chronicles of the Life of Pigs"). I will ask, what channel is this show on.
 

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They be like Finland, institute speeding fines that are proportionate to annual income....
 

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Ukiemeister said:
They be like Finland, institute speeding fines that are proportionate to annual income....
That would be a good thing to do... But unfortunately, in Ukraine, first, any new law would be debated to death in the Parliament and would usually be adopted with lots of changes, so that it will become toothless; and second, again, laws do not apply to the "elite..."
 

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I don't know how serious Ruslana intended that to be, but in terms of people who might be serious....

I feel terrible that things like this become more and more routine in Ukraine, the country of my birth. If you are rich, poverful, famous, you can get away with anything and even advertise it on the national TV...

What do you guys think, how can this be stopped?
Honestly, I don't think speed limits or higher penalties for speeding will help.  Most people know to drive a reasonable speed (even without a limit), and those who don't won't care about a law.

I think the only solution is to hold people responsible for the results of their actions.  For example, if a wealthy celebrity negligently hits a pedestrian, the celebrity will be responsible for any loss to the victim.  If the pedestrian dies, that might mean financially supporting the family for life.  I think if people knew that they would be held directly responsible to the victim, people might think more clearly.
 

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Heorhij said:
I feel terrible that things like this become more and more routine in Ukraine, the country of my birth. If you are rich, poverful, famous, you can get away with anything and even advertise it on the national TV...

What do you guys think, how can this be stopped?
It can't.  Here in the US, we have institutionalized such a mentality and it is daily propogated by the likes of Lindsay Lohan, Britney Speares, Paris Hilton, etc.  Most people, I think, find such behavior wrong and not to be imitated, but they don't get much beyond the "thinking" stage and let such destructive behvaior go unchecked and spread to the young like wildfire.  Very sad.
 

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scamandrius said:
Heorhij said:
I feel terrible that things like this become more and more routine in Ukraine, the country of my birth. If you are rich, poverful, famous, you can get away with anything and even advertise it on the national TV...

What do you guys think, how can this be stopped?
It can't.  Here in the US, we have institutionalized such a mentality and it is daily propogated by the likes of Lindsay Lohan, Britney Speares, Paris Hilton, etc.  Most people, I think, find such behavior wrong and not to be imitated, but they don't get much beyond the "thinking" stage and let such destructive behvaior go unchecked and spread to the young like wildfire.  Very sad.
Well, in the US, at least Paris Hilton has spent some time in jail. In Ukraine, Ruslana, when she is stopped by a policemen, she just says to him, quickly, "yes, my boy, yes, I am guilty-guilty-guilty... What do you want me to pay? Here, take this..." - and gives the cop some 5,000 hryvnyas ( a $1,000 bill), and drives away. (That's how she openly explains it on TV!) People say that she might just as well give this cop a million bucks. It does not matter to her.
 

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Maksim said:
I don't know how serious Ruslana intended that to be, but in terms of people who might be serious....

I feel terrible that things like this become more and more routine in Ukraine, the country of my birth. If you are rich, poverful, famous, you can get away with anything and even advertise it on the national TV...

What do you guys think, how can this be stopped?
Honestly, I don't think speed limits or higher penalties for speeding will help.  Most people know to drive a reasonable speed (even without a limit), and those who don't won't care about a law.

I think the only solution is to hold people responsible for the results of their actions.  For example, if a wealthy celebrity negligently hits a pedestrian, the celebrity will be responsible for any loss to the victim.  If the pedestrian dies, that might mean financially supporting the family for life.  I think if people knew that they would be held directly responsible to the victim, people might think more clearly.
Oh, but Ruslana has millions and millions at her disposal. She keeps saying that money is nothing to her, she does not care...
 

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Heorhij, what was the response from her particular fans about her careless attitude? Perhaps one day, she will kill two ro three people, and the average Joes will put a stop to her actions when they see that the authorities are permissive about her, by protest and probably violence. :(
 

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Myrrh23 said:
Heorhij, what was the response from her particular fans about her careless attitude? Perhaps one day, she will kill two ro three people, and the average Joes will put a stop to her actions when they see that the authorities are permissive about her, by protest and probably violence. :(
I am not sure what was the response from this particular group of people. They are crazy...

Here's her:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK874KcgYkU
 

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This is simply terrible. Folks were killed on a daily basis in my former neighbourhood as the mafia/bandits/celebrities went tearing down the streets in their black mercedes and SUVs on their way to and from their dachas.

Unfortunately, as long as people only think of themselves and have not come to true repentance and humility, this heartless attitude will never change over there. It will just get worse.

We need to pour out our hearts like water before the Lord for the country of Ukraine.
 

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Heorhij said:
Myrrh23 said:
Heorhij, what was the response from her particular fans about her careless attitude? Perhaps one day, she will kill two ro three people, and the average Joes will put a stop to her actions when they see that the authorities are permissive about her, by protest and probably violence. :(
I am not sure what was the response from this particular group of people. They are crazy...

Here's her:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK874KcgYkU
Heorhij, is Ruslana Lyzhychko the lady who's dressed as Conan the Barbarian? LMAO!! :laugh:
 

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Heorhij said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK874KcgYkU
She's cute...I wouldn't mind running from the cops with her. ;)

But, seriously, she hasn't hurt anybody, she hasn't done anything wrong. She just likes a little adrenaline rush...surely we can all sympathize with that? Don't we all do crazy things because it feels good?
 

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hummer or hammer or ukrainian copycat of hummer named hammer.....curious ,,,<img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/17/17_1_29.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0">
 

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greekischristian said:
She's cute...I wouldn't mind running from the cops with her. ;)

But, seriously, she hasn't hurt anybody, she hasn't done anything wrong. She just likes a little adrenaline rush...surely we can all sympathize with that? Don't we all do crazy things because it feels good?
I don't find her attractive at all.

ANd like the old proverb goes, GiC, it's all fun and games until someone gets run over.
 

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scamandrius said:
ANd like the old proverb goes, GiC, it's all fun and games until someone gets run over.
Yup.  :( She's too young and stupid to realise.
 

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greekischristian said:
She's cute...
Hard to tell with that goofy outfit and her motley crew entourage flailing around.

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But, seriously, she hasn't hurt anybody,
Yet.  Or that we know of.

greekischristian said:
she hasn't done anything wrong.
Except break the law(s).
 

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Doesn't Ukraine have civil commitment laws like California, which seemed to help Brittany Spears wake up?

Paris Hilton spent 3 weeks in jail - haven't heard much from her since.

If this muse's behavior continues to spiral out of control, there must be options regardless of how wealthy she is?
 

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scamandrius said:
I don't find her attractive at all.
Fair enough, she has that athletic look that just kills me, but I know doesn't do it for a lot of men. Not to mention, I just listened to a bunch of her music and I have to say, I quite like it...which is saying something, since I generally only like about 15-20% of the pop music I hear.

ANd like the old proverb goes, GiC, it's all fun and games until someone gets run over.
So, until she runs someone over, let her live in peace. When she does, I'll have to come up with another argument to defend her. ;)
 

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GabrieltheCelt said:
Hard to tell with that goofy outfit and her motley crew entourage flailing around.
Granted, I wish they'd focus more on her instead of her dancers in her videos. But, come one, don't even try to pretend that that costume doesn't just scream 'good in bed'.

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Except break the law(s).
Come on now...you really don't need me to explain, yet again, my opinions on victimless crimes. Until it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that she's actually hurt someone, no one has a valid argument.
 

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greekischristian said:
But, come one, don't even try to pretend that that costume doesn't just scream 'good in bed'.
It screams "What Not To Wear"...esp in public.  But she is cute.  And she does have a tremendous...voice. ;)

 

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SolEX01 said:
Doesn't Ukraine have civil commitment laws like California, which seemed to help Brittany Spears wake up?
An indefinite prison sentence without a trial or a jury. It's a tragedy that the Supreme Court hasn't ruled these laws unconstitutional and ordered the legislators who voted for them to be shot in a public square. It is beyond me how anyone not facing re-election could speak favourably of these laws.
 

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greekischristian said:
An indefinite prison sentence without a trial or a jury. It's a tragedy that the Supreme Court hasn't ruled these laws unconstitutional and ordered the legislators who voted for them to be shot in a public square. It is beyond me how anyone not facing re-election could speak favourably of these laws.
So, a psychotic has a fundamental right to be psychotic regardless of the consequences?  ;)

If the Ukrainian singer is clearly psychotic, she can just go along and be psychotic destroying everything and everyone in her path?  California has due process - the father of Brittany Spears petitioned a judge and convinced the judge that Brittany posed an immiment danger to herself or others.  While Mr. Spears became conservator over his daughter's estate, his daughter somehow recovered enough to regain visitation with her young sons and worked on rescuing her near destroyed career....
 

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SolEX01 said:
So, a psychotic has a fundamental right to be psychotic regardless of the consequences?   ;)
We all have a fundamental right to be free and act in whatever manner we see fit until we harm another. Freedom isn't always safe...but the risk is more than worth it.

If the Ukrainian singer is clearly psychotic, she can just go along and be psychotic destroying everything and everyone in her path?
Again, no one has proven that she has harmed anyone.

California has due process - the father of Brittany Spears petitioned a judge and convinced the judge that Brittany posed an immiment danger to herself or others.  While Mr. Spears became conservator over his daughter's estate, his daughter somehow recovered enough to regain visitation with her young sons and worked on rescuing her near destroyed career....
And what about so many others who are wasting away in psychiatric wards, lacking the fame and fortune to free themselves? If a Judge convicts you, there is no due process. We have a right to a trial by a jury of our peers, any sentence handed to anyone without that formality is inherently unjust and unconstitutional.
 

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greekischristian said:
We all have a fundamental right to be free and act in whatever manner we see fit until we harm another. Freedom isn't always safe...but the risk is more than worth it.
Your points regarding Freedom are well known and duly respected; However, didn't Orwell say that Freedom is Slavery and Ignorance is Strength in 1984?  If a psychotic person has the freedom to be psychotic, are they slaves to their own psychosis?  If a psychotic person is ignorant, are they really strong like Brittany Spears or the Ukrainian singer?

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And what about so many others who are wasting away in psychiatric wards, lacking the fame and fortune to free themselves? If a Judge convicts you, there is no due process. We have a right to a trial by a jury of our peers, any sentence handed to anyone without that formality is inherently unjust and unconstitutional.
Are you aware that most US states only have 10 psychiatric beds per 100,000 population while the minimum standard is 50?  I don't know where you've been except that the psychiatric asylums only house criminals who have plead insanity (or not criminally responsible, in MD).
 

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ozgeorge said:
She admits to malicious damage of public property.
You got to be kidding me...she admitted to running over metal and plastic posts. If I admit to running over the orange cones when the construction workers piss me off are you going to come arrest me and lock me up for decades on end? When she admits to running over those posts our first question should be 'are those posts really essential to the liberty and security of our republic' not 'how long should we lock her up for'.

Drug induced psychosis is not a conviction....just a firm belief. :D
LOL...and let them live in that belief in peace. ;)
 

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greekischristian said:
You got to be kidding me...she admitted to running over metal and plastic posts. If I admit to running over the orange cones when the construction workers piss me off are you going to come arrest me and lock me up for decades on end? When she admits to running over those posts our first question should be 'are those posts really essential to the liberty and security of our republic' not 'how long should we lock her up for'.
It starts with orange cones and posts, and if it goes unchecked, soon you'll be running over hospitals and stadiums.
 

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GiC, I guess you don't wear a seatbelt when driving, nor wear a crash helmet when riding a bicycle or motorcycle. You probably smoke, too.
 

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LBK said:
GiC, I guess you don't wear a seatbelt when driving, nor wear a crash helmet when riding a bicycle or motorcycle. You probably smoke, too.
Maybe he doesn't, but that's what trusting in God is for. Wait..GIC is close to being an atheist. My bad! ;)
 

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SolEX01 said:
Your points regarding Freedom are well known and duly respected; However, didn't Orwell say that Freedom is Slavery and Ignorance is Strength in 1984?  If a psychotic person has the freedom to be psychotic, are they slaves to their own psychosis?  If a psychotic person is ignorant, are they really strong like Brittany Spears or the Ukrainian singer?
He said those things, but attributed them to a tyrannical regime, essentially a parody to his own beliefs. If one wishes to make themselves a slave or ignorant, they should be free to do so, it's not the place of the state to step in...only if the decide to turn from this and another would stop them from doing so does the state have a responsibility to step in, inorder that their rights may be protected like the rights of the rest of it.

But even with that said, I really fail to see the ignorance of Ruslana...she enjoys an adrenaline rush, but who amongst us doesn't? Who hasn't jumped off a bridge, driven 120 down a curvy mountain road, or climbed a cliff knowing that one small slip ment certain death? We do it for the feeling, for the adrenaline rush, that can only come about when you're risking your very life. We generally know we're risking our life, but it's a chance we're willing to take.

Are you aware that most US states only have 10 psychiatric beds per 100,000 population while the minimum standard is 50?  I don't know where you've been except that the psychiatric asylums only house criminals who have plead insanity (or not criminally responsible, in MD).
You're the one who invoked civil confinement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_confinement
 

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ozgeorge said:
greekischristian said:
You got to be kidding me...she admitted to running over metal and plastic posts. If I admit to running over the orange cones when the construction workers piss me off are you going to come arrest me and lock me up for decades on end? When she admits to running over those posts our first question should be 'are those posts really essential to the liberty and security of our republic' not 'how long should we lock her up for'.
It starts with orange cones and posts, and if it goes unchecked, soon you'll be running over hospitals and stadiums.
Only if I can afford to drive a 'hammer'. ;)
 

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LBK said:
GiC, I guess you don't wear a seatbelt when driving,
Didn't for a while, but now that I have a suspended license I'm a bit more careful lest I get pulled over and hauled off to jail.

nor wear a crash helmet when riding a bicycle
Hell no.

or motorcycle.
I'll wear a skull cap, if you're not wearing anything you can rest assured the FIRST pig who sees you will pull you over and give you a ticket.

You probably smoke, too.
Only when I drink...so, yeah. ;)
 

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greekischristian said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_confinement
What is this? Since when does a judge or even a jury decide that someone is mentally ill and needs involuntary treatment?
Does a judge decide if you have diabetes and how it should be treated?
 

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GabrieltheCelt said:
Only hookah's and left-handed cigarettes. ;)
Weed just doesn't do it for me, with most drugs you wish you were on them when off; with marijuana, I wish I was off when on it...go figure. Now cocaine is a drug I could get addicted to if I let myself.
 
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