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That All Shall Be Saved

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isnt more logical to ask Yourself why waisting time reading about universalism if we know there is paganism with its idolatry and above all Final Judgement, as Christians we should not waste time on such writings instead its better at least to give one Prayer for all that are in such delusion than trying to understand their stance, tho sharing Your stance wouldnt hurt but not sure how effective is that knowing in how trivial times we live, but who knows who will pick up the notion on the go as recently I was arguing why abortion is deadly sin if not repented, still even smoking from this aspect is etc. ...


Nikola

Please Say Prayer for me because I've swearing this week, think this is huge mistake right after Easter, even do in alcoholised state while trying to avoid further attacks on me simply found some kind of defocusing from the argue throwing my rage to the secrete service instead to fight back to my relative directly in same manner ...
 

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David Bentley Hart said:
"...if Christianity is in any way true, Christians dare not doubt the salvation of all, and that any understanding of what God accomplished in Christ that does not include the assurance of a final apokatastasis in which all things created are redeemed and joined to God is ultimately entirely incoherent and unworthy of rational faith
If any and every understanding of Christianity that does not explicitly affirm/include Hart's "factual" (vs. mere hopeful) universalism is, as Hart says, "entirely incoherent and unworthy of rational faith" this entails both Rome and the Eastern sees are incoherent and unworthy of faith, having so completely failed to transmit this portion of the faith of the church for century upon century. The overwhelming majority of major figures in Christian history have evidently consistently and completely misunderstood the Christian faith for a very long time -thank God Hart has after all this time discerned the only coherent worthy truth to supplant all those centuries of incoherence. Since Hart's view is "the only coherent one" surely all that is left is for us to reason well and the scales shall fall from all of our eyes.

Hart's "only coherent and worthy meaning" looks suspiciously like a stronger form of the Reformation idea of perspicacity or "plain meaning" discerned by the "wise and spiritual individual' which was indeed once hailed by many to be the best hope of uniting Christendom. Unfortunately not increased unity, but an exponentially widening crisis of legitimization, pluralism, and fragmentation formed in the wake. Not the best argument for a sure path to verisimilitude, IMO, or for a partucular argument of one on such a path.

Just the same old Protestant (gnostic) song and dance by a self-described "Orthodox" (Hart) who doesn't yet want the label that best describes his approach to "One and Only True Theology"TM
 
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Does he answer the question: then what's the point of cooperating with grace? I'm curious to see how he nuances that. Or does he relegate all the stubbornly saved to the category of eleventh hour workers?
The point of cooperation with grace is multifaceted. First of all, both Jesus and St. Paul warned us that there are consequences to that which we do here in life: blessing for the obedient and repentant, and painful chastening for those who pursue evil. Now if you desire pain, torment, suffering, and misery, then by all means, a person should do whatever they want to do. Just don't complain about it when they are in the fire because they have been warned.

Just as there are ranks of angels in heaven, so I believe there will be positions of honor and glory for us in the next life. I don't in any way expect to be as honored as St. Seraphim of Sarov or any of the holy monks of Mt. Athos.

Then there is life itself. Look around you -- murders, rapes, wars, thefts, and a host of other evils which would not exist if men and women gave themselves in love to Christ. It is the lack of cooperating with grace that brings these evils into our lives. Is this what you want? Or could life be a whole lot better.

And finally, the glory of God. He is God. He deserves our obedience and cooperation with His will.

I don't know if the emotion of regret will exist in the next life, but if it does, even for a moment, there are going to be multitudes who will realize the many blessings (crowns) that they forfeited forever because they loved sin more than God and they will have a deep regret for their stupidity this side of the grave.
 

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"I am the Lord, and I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy."
 
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