The Bible for Evangelicals vs Orthodox.

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Are you guys seriously challenging whether Scripture is the Word of God? Scripture being the word of God does not negate Jesus or Tradition from being the word of God, it is only Protestants who view Scripture exclusively as the word of God (and Jesus). Also, why are you guys treating Raylight like a SS Protestant when he clearly is not? This seems kinda anti-Protestant to me.

I am concerned about that survey. Though it's probably because Protestants and Orthodox have different views on what and what isn't the word of God.
 

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Raylight said:
Mor Ephrem said:
Raylight said:
2 Timothy 3:16 says

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Are you guys serious ?!
But it doesn't say what Scripture is "Scripture" in the way you're talking about it--as the word of God.  What is "all Scripture"?  What does "all" refer to?  Which books?  Hindus have Scriptures too, are these a part of "all Scripture"? 
It is not science, we know what meant by "Scripture", Paul was talking to a believer like him, both knew what meant by that word. Do you really think that Paul meant all holy books in the world are the "Scripture" ?!
The Scriptures that the Evangelicals use has 10 less books than the Scriptures that the Orthodox use.  Seems like part of their Bible is missing.  If the Bible is God's Word (as they claim), then missing 10 books is a huge issue.  Also, the passage quoted would have just been the Old Testament.  Martin Luther wanted to remove books from the New Testament.
 

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Laird said:
Are you guys seriously challenging whether Scripture is the Word of God? Scripture being the word of God does not negate Jesus or Tradition from being the word of God, it is only Protestants who view Scripture exclusively as the word of God (and Jesus). Also, why are you guys treating Raylight like a SS Protestant when he clearly is not? This seems kinda anti-Protestant to me.

I am concerned about that survey. Though it's probably because Protestants and Orthodox have different views on what and what isn't the word of God.
Scripture is the words of men inspired by God. God didn't literally say every word of Scripture.
 

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xOrthodox4Christx said:
Uhh... It's kinda what Christianity teaches. Islam teaches it too.  ;) Hell, even Hellenistic Judaism believed in the idea of the human Logos before Christianity.
Okay, so you know that word of God is a person because the Christianity and Hellenistic Judaism teaches it. How does Christianity and Hellenistic Judaism know?
 

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thethinker said:
xOrthodox4Christx said:
Uhh... It's kinda what Christianity teaches. Islam teaches it too.  ;) Hell, even Hellenistic Judaism believed in the idea of the human Logos before Christianity.
Okay, so you know that word of God is a person because the Christianity and Hellenistic Judaism teaches it. How does Christianity and Hellenistic Jusaism know?
Dunno. Ask Philo of Alexandria.
 

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thethinker said:
xOrthodox4Christx said:
Uhh... It's kinda what Christianity teaches. Islam teaches it too.  ;) Hell, even Hellenistic Judaism believed in the idea of the human Logos before Christianity.
Okay, so you know that word of God is a person because the Christianity and Hellenistic Judaism teaches it. How does Christianity and Hellenistic Judaism know?
Divine revelation
 

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xOrthodox4Christx said:
Laird said:
Are you guys seriously challenging whether Scripture is the Word of God? Scripture being the word of God does not negate Jesus or Tradition from being the word of God, it is only Protestants who view Scripture exclusively as the word of God (and Jesus). Also, why are you guys treating Raylight like a SS Protestant when he clearly is not? This seems kinda anti-Protestant to me.

I am concerned about that survey. Though it's probably because Protestants and Orthodox have different views on what and what isn't the word of God.
Scripture is the words of men inspired by God. God didn't literally say every word of Scripture.
And yet because it's inspired by God, it is possible and even right to call Scripture the word of God (while also calling Christ the Word of God).
 

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Scrolling through this thread, I had a question pop into my mind:

What's the purpose of the Bible? (I don't think anyone's spoken on this yet.)

Honestly, after reading the posts collected here, it sounds like the Bible may just be more trouble than its worth -- with all these protestants running around and reading it on their own and whatnot.
 

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xOrthodox4Christx said:
Laird said:
Are you guys seriously challenging whether Scripture is the Word of God? Scripture being the word of God does not negate Jesus or Tradition from being the word of God, it is only Protestants who view Scripture exclusively as the word of God (and Jesus). Also, why are you guys treating Raylight like a SS Protestant when he clearly is not? This seems kinda anti-Protestant to me.

I am concerned about that survey. Though it's probably because Protestants and Orthodox have different views on what and what isn't the word of God.
Scripture is the words of men inspired by God. God didn't literally say every word of Scripture.
Yes... but that doesn't mean we can't call Scripture the word of God.

The Scriptures both are the word of God and are about the Word of God, Jesus Christ. They are God's revelation of himself, the word of God in the words of men.http://orthodoxwiki.org/Holy_Scripture
 

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That is an interesting survey.  Thanks for posting it.

One thing I will say, of whatever evils we might accuse the Protestants; please realize that without them first publishing Bibles that people could posses as their very own, neither Orthodox nor Catholic faithful would own personal copies of the Bible today.   

Personally I take a very high view of scripture because very much stands upon it's authority.  I'm not able to explain how God inspired the men who wrote the first manuscripts.  Nobody can.  But I think we have to accept as a matter of faith that the Bible has authority for our lives because it is the product of God's mind given to communicate truth to feeble persons as me.

I am convinced the Apostle Paul wrote the epistle we call Second Timothy and in 3:16 when he wrote that "all scripture is God-breathed", he meant what we call the "Old Covenant According to the Seventy."  That would have been the scripture that Greek speaking Timothy would have known from a child.  Paul's own writings show that he personally was thoroughly saturated with the text according to the Seventy.  That was the Bible the Apostle Paul and Timothy knew.

The writers of the New Testament being inspired by the Holy Spirit cited the Seventy as the authority behind their teaching.  So did the earliest Church Fathers.  The earliest Church Fathers clearly believed the Holy Writings of the Seventy and the the New Testament are inspired scripture. Since the Apostles and they were witnesses closest to the biblical events, I think it appropriate to give their faith them some credit.

I take a high view of scripture and that is why I pursue a seminary education, that I might learn to handle scripture well.  I am not a professional theologian but I am working toward a doctorate.  As an academic I have seen modern theological agendas along with liberal theology destroy many student's high view of scripture.  I think that has some bearing on the increasing degree of heterodoxy and heresy espoused by professional theologians from every denomination today.

M. Kostas, ThM
 

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I object to both options. The bible is divinely inspired while being written by Men.
 
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