• Please remember: Pray for Ukraine in the Prayer forum; Share news in the Christian News section; Discuss religious implications in FFA: Religious Topics; Discuss political implications in Politics (and if you don't have access, PM me) Thank you! + Fr. George, Forum Administrator

The Travel Thread

Alpha60

Taxiarches
Joined
Mar 14, 2017
Messages
5,793
Reaction score
17
Points
0
Location
Alphaville Zone Sud
Faith
Christian
Jurisdiction
Orthodox
Where have you been?  Where would you like to go?  Also, the place for travelogues and destination recommendations.

I will open by asking: are their cities in Eastern Europe where I can find an Orthodox city where the Divine Liturgy is served daily in several different churches?  I am hoping Bucharest or Sofia will fit the bill.
 

Alpha60

Taxiarches
Joined
Mar 14, 2017
Messages
5,793
Reaction score
17
Points
0
Location
Alphaville Zone Sud
Faith
Christian
Jurisdiction
Orthodox
Also, here is my travelogue and travel desire, from a trip in 2003 and an upcoming trip:

I really want to visit and spend time in Romania, Bulgaria, the former Yugoslavia.  Also Poland, which I visited in 2003 with my mother; to give you an idea of how offbeat we are in our preferences, we were in Dresden visiting a friend, and we had two options: Gdansk or Venice.  We were travelling by Eurail, but from Berlin, both were about equidistant mainly due at the time to slow speeds on the Warsaw-Berlin railway and the lack of a direct train via Pomerania; both involved one train change; Venice would have taken us to Munich on the ICE, where we would catch a EuroCity for Venice, which is or was a lovely train; the Italian passenger coaches first class coaches used on Eurocity services were beautifully furnished with blue and green upholstery. and featured a spectacularly detailed map of the entire Italian railway network (back then, all run by the state owned FS), and the bistro car despite not being a full restaurant car had amazing Lasagna; we had two years earlier taken this train from Munich to Innsbruck. 

However, we wound up going for Gdansk, and it was so beautiful on the Baltic, especially the Polish-built Gydnia, which had more interesting architecture and was less crowded than the former German port of Danzig.  The latter city was still amazing; while we were there, we had our favorite cuisine (Russian) at an outdoor cafe in Gdansk proper, toured a few historic houses, visited the cathedral with its beautiful carillon, which entertained us with lovely classical music every hour no matter where we were in the city, and toured the ships of the Maritime Museum, including a beautiful Polish Navy exploration and oceanographic research vessel dating from the Soviet era.  The trains were also awesome; Berlin to Warsaw was a special EC train, jointly owned by PKP and DB, and identical to the German IC trains except with a blue stripe rather than a red stripe.  IC and EC trains with their six seater compartments, which, if empty, and they usually were, let you stretch out and lie down two ways, across the seats, or by merging two seats together with full recline (especially nice on the few unrefurbished "Silberligne" trains used on local routes in Germany, as the compartments were slightly smaller, making the two chairs fit together perfectly as a bed).  The only exception was CD, the Czech Rail, which in their infinite wisdom fixed the armrests and reduced the recline angle in Eurocity cars, and the nasty German InterRegio trains, which had been refurbished with hard plastic seats, and were retired in 2002 except for their nasty BordBistro, which replaced the BordRestaurant on all IC trains, but not EC trains like the Berlin-Warsaw Express.  The Polish IC train was even better, with a fabulous bar car where you could order delicious chicken dinners from the kitchen for just $2 American.  I felt guilty doing it, but I was 16 and hungry, so I bought a second dinner affer I finished rhe first.  Today I would struggle to eat just one. 

So by mutual consent we had settled on Gdansk, and absolutely loved it to pieces.  The very highlight was the walk along the beach from the adjacent resort town of Sopor to Gydnia, where there were swans swimmimg in the Baltic by a little outdoor snack bar, where we split bottles of fanta and I think, icecream, just to watch them.  We then went to a beutiful little  hotel with gorgeous 1920s Polish Arts and Crafts style architecture, on a wooded hill af the end of the beach, to call a taxi to take us back fo our bland hotel by the railway station.  Sitting in the lobby, we resolved to go there "next time"  pray that my mother regains her health so we can make the trip

I wish we had been able to do Venice also, as I hear since 2003 in the summer it is even more overrun with tourists, giant cruise ships sail down the Grand Canal precipitously close to St. Mark's  and other cultural treasures, and the Venetians are getting priced out of their own apartments due to the demand for more hotels, and a mayor had the literally bright and metaphorically dim idea of ordering the gonfolas in passenger service to have reflective stripes.  The Venetians have become, understandably, grouchy, and I dont want to add to their misery with my presence.  The Poles were and I expect still are warm and friendly, as Gdansk remains slightly offbeat.  We took a delightful sleeper from Gdansk back to Berlin, which was perfect except for polish customs and the German Gendarmee waking us up at 5 AM to check that we were the persons on our passports (which were held for us by the attendant).  I then had a bizarre dream in which my mother asked the German guards for Vodka and I sarcastically said "Hiel Hitler" when they were finished, and then we arrived.  Good thing we did not say that to them while they were actually there, eh.  i expect this was a dream, as Germans have no sense of humor regarding the Nazi period, understandably perhaps, but disagreeably continue to ban Mel Brooks delightful, very anti-Nazi romp The Producers.

I want to go to Romania, Bulgaria and the former Yugoslavia largely because the railways in these countries, and in Slovakia, which I would also like to see (Ive only been to Prague and Budapest in the brutally occupied western end of the Iron Block), still have the beautiful IC and EC trains, in fact, largely formed from former German, Swiss and Swedish rolling stock.  (The extra-wide Swedish cars, which I travelled on to see my Godfather Eugene's adopted daughter and her Swedish husband and their children, my only living relatives in Europe, in 2000, continue to run in Bosnia). 

Also, I want to meet the people and see the Orthodox churches and monasteries.  Especially the Cathedral of St. Alexander Nevsky in Sofia, and the monasteries in Serbia, Kosovo and Romania, and perhaps visit Albania to see the miraculous Orthodox Christian community, which survived Enver Hoxha underground and against all odds, and the monasteries of the Bektasi Sufis.  In Herzegovina, I would like to go to Mostar to try and meet the Diocesan Bishop, if he speaks English, and I think he does, as I regard him as a hero and functionally Orthodox for standing up and fighting against the falsehood of Medjugorje. Also, as mentioned above, I would like to spend some time in an Orthodox city where it is possible to attend the Divine Liturgy or other services at different churches daily; do Belgrade, Sofia or Bucharest fit that bill?

As mentioned elsewhere, my Uncle Wendell loved Portugal, and they still have some beautiful trains and trams, as does Spain (not quite as good in terms of trams and funiculars, but in the Basque country there is a large and very busy narrow gauge railway, the most modern in Europe, run by Euskotren).  I desire to see Barcelona, especially the Art Nouveau architecture of Gaudi and his nearly complete Cathedral, and wave a flag in support of letting the Catalonians have a vote on independence, Madrid, where I wish to see the beautiful architecture, sample tje famous cuisine, including a type of flan called "Heavenly Bacon", and the gorgeous former chamber of the Spanish senate, Lisbon, Porto, San Dominica de Compostela, with its Cathedral of St. James the Great and the world's largest thurible, the Basque country, and conclude in Andora, as I have visited Liechtenstein, and Luxembourg, and my goal is to see and learn about all the small countries of Europe, and that would leave just San Marino, Monaco and the Vatican, among universally recognized Sovereign states. 

I would also like to see Transnistria, which is not internationally recognized, and the autonomous Finnish territory of Aland, and its Danish mid-Atlantic counterpart, the beautiful Shetlands.

*Eurail for those over 26 is only sold in First Class, but back in 2000-2003 it was cheaper than flying, before the rise of Ryanair and easyJet,  i would still prefer it, however; for me Europe doesnt feel right unless at least part of my trip involves watching the exquisitely beautiful countryside unfold from the window of a train.  So much in Europe, like the beautiful castles, churches and small villages of the valleys in the Austrian Tyrol, and the beauty of the Swedish Baltic coast and the Norwegian forests, I would have missed if I had travelled by air.
 

Asteriktos

Strategos
Joined
Oct 4, 2002
Messages
40,135
Reaction score
612
Points
113
Faith
-
Jurisdiction
-
Only foreign country I've been to is Florida. Next up: Lake Atitlan, Guatemala.
 

Dominika

Merarches
Staff member
Global Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Dec 23, 2011
Messages
8,256
Reaction score
589
Points
113
Age
30
Location
Poland
Website
www.youtube.com
Faith
Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction
Antiochian Patriarchate/POC
Alpha60 said:
So by mutual consent we had settled on Gdansk, and absolutely loved it to pieces.  The very highlight was the walk along the beach from the adjacent resort town of Sopor to Gydnia,
Their names are: Gdańsk, Sopot, Gdynia ;)

Anyway, thank you for sharing this! I didn't know you had visited Poland! :) Did you visit the Orthodox contr-cathedral in Gdańsk?

Alpha60 said:
I will open by asking: are their cities in Eastern Europe where I can find an Orthodox city where the Divine Liturgy is served daily in several different churches?  I am hoping Bucharest or Sofia will fit the bill.
Bucharest (and actually all major Romanian cities), Belgrade, Sofia, Białystok, Kiev (and probably some other Ukrainian cities), I suppose Chisnau... Probably much more.
 

Ainnir

Merarches
Staff member
Moderator
Joined
Apr 29, 2015
Messages
8,007
Reaction score
1,100
Points
113
Faith
Orthodox
Jurisdiction
Antiochian
I can't write any travelogues, but I've spent a few nights in: Florida, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania, England, Switzerland, Italy, and France.  I've never been west of the Mississippi but I've been to the other side of the Atlantic.  :laugh:

No bucket list, but any new place is interesting.  I don't think I'd really feel like I'd been there, though, without hanging around for at least 2 months.
 

Gorazd

Archon
Joined
Jul 14, 2009
Messages
2,571
Reaction score
2
Points
0
Faith
7 Councils
Jurisdiction
First without Equals
I have been to much of Eastern Europe (Estonia is still missing on my list though).

Transnistria is small, boring, nothing much to see. That includes the "capital" Tiraspol, which is nice and clean, but just too small and nothing special...

If you want to see a Soviet style place but still a real living city, and many liturgies, I'd suggest Minsk instead. If going to Belarus, second interesting place to visit would be Hrodna, which is historically Polish and extremely beautiful. If crossing the border into the EU, Orthodox areas in Poland are not far. And Vilnius is also an extremely beautiful historical city.


 

William T

Archon
Joined
May 22, 2015
Messages
2,545
Reaction score
2
Points
0
Age
38
Location
Chicago
Faith
Orthodox
Jurisdiction
Antioch
I've been all over the Americas.  I have to have pretty concrete or personal goals when I travel or I don't really see much point, unless it's just a few days of beach / camping / fishing R&R.  Unless work or something personal took me overseas, I don't think I would pick to go anywhere until I went to Syria.  In so much as I have a purpose to go somewhere, I can enjoy myself anywhere and would probably enjoy just about any place I was at. 

I guess places I would be most curious to see would be Iran, Iraq, Ethiopia, Armenia, Constantinople, Greece, the rest of the Levant, Egypt, Tunisia, France,  and Italy: but again, deliberately picking places that far off without much of a goal or purpose isn't really how I think about things.  Maybe that would be something to do if I retire and money, goals, and time permitted.
 

Dominika

Merarches
Staff member
Global Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Dec 23, 2011
Messages
8,256
Reaction score
589
Points
113
Age
30
Location
Poland
Website
www.youtube.com
Faith
Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction
Antiochian Patriarchate/POC
Alpha60 said:
Where have you been?
- Of course Poland and Serbia ;P
- Bosnia (Kozluk, Zvornik)
- Czech (Prague and some villages in the mountains) and Slovakia (some villages in the mountains)
- Lithuania (Vilnus, Troki, Kovno)
- Ukraine (Winnica)
- USA (Washington DC, New York, Philadephia, Miami plus Everglades)
- Spain (Malaga, Fuengirola, Granada plus Al-hambra, Cordoba) and Gibraltar
- Scotland (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Ballacha, Balloch, Glencoe)
- Romania (a monastery in the north, Bucharest, Cluj Napoca, Brasov, Sinaia, Bran, Rasnov, Constanta, Floresti)
- Bulgaria (Sofia, the rest just from the window of car)
- Moldova (Chisnau, Cruglic)
- Cyprus (Larnaka, Limassol, Paphos, Nicosia including the Turkish part, Omodos, Kykkos, Tala, Pano Lefkara, Kahuna)
- Tunisia (Tunis, Sousse, Hamma Sousse, Monastir, Dhougga, Bulla Reggia, Ain Draham, Tabarka, Bizerta, Utique, El Djem, Matmata, Kairouan, Sidi Bou Said)
- Egypt (Cairo, Hurghada, Kom Ombo, Edu, Assiu, Assuan, Minya, Luxor, Abydos, Karnak)
- Germany (actually only 1, but whole day in Berlin)

Alpha60 said:
Where would you like to go?
Definitely, above all, the Holy Land. Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, Montenegro (yeah, that's quite ridiculous, as I have also Montenegrin blood), India (especially Delhi, Bombai and Kerala), Jordan - they're the ones I want very much. Other places are Murcia and Madrid in Spain, Greece (especially Athens, Thesalloniki, Meteoras and tomb of st. Paisios), Russia (Moscow and Optina Pustyn, Petersburg, Yekatinburg), Iran, Bukhara in Uzbekistan, Georgia, Armenia, Ethiopia.
 

Asteriktos

Strategos
Joined
Oct 4, 2002
Messages
40,135
Reaction score
612
Points
113
Faith
-
Jurisdiction
-
Travelogue: About 17 years ago I visited Oklahoma in January. I had no idea a place that far south (and not part of a major mountain range) could be so wintry and miserable. Also, Oral Roberts University was there. And I spent ~26 hours in airports trying to get home. On the plus side, it was on that trip that I decided to seriously start looking into Orthodoxy, so there's that.
 

Iconodule

Hoplitarches
Joined
Jan 2, 2010
Messages
16,486
Reaction score
20
Points
38
Age
39
Location
PA, USA
Faith
Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction
Patriarchate of Johnstown
Been to Malaysia, China, Taiwan, Singapore, Australia, Ireland, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, Switzerland, France, Russia, Turkey, Canada, Saint Lucia, England.

I'd love to go to Georgia, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, and Ethiopia.
 

Dominika

Merarches
Staff member
Global Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Dec 23, 2011
Messages
8,256
Reaction score
589
Points
113
Age
30
Location
Poland
Website
www.youtube.com
Faith
Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction
Antiochian Patriarchate/POC
Iconodule said:
Been to Malaysia, China, Taiwan, Singapore, Australia, Ireland, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, Switzerland, France, Russia, Turkey, Canada, Saint Lucia, England.

I'd love to go to Georgia, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, and Ethiopia.
That's an impressive list, especially the Asian countries!
 

Iconodule

Hoplitarches
Joined
Jan 2, 2010
Messages
16,486
Reaction score
20
Points
38
Age
39
Location
PA, USA
Faith
Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction
Patriarchate of Johnstown
Dominika said:
Iconodule said:
Been to Malaysia, China, Taiwan, Singapore, Australia, Ireland, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, Switzerland, France, Russia, Turkey, Canada, Saint Lucia, England.

I'd love to go to Georgia, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, and Ethiopia.
That's an impressive list, especially the Asian countries!
I can thank my very dispersed family for a lot of it.
 

William T

Archon
Joined
May 22, 2015
Messages
2,545
Reaction score
2
Points
0
Age
38
Location
Chicago
Faith
Orthodox
Jurisdiction
Antioch
Dominika said:
Alpha60 said:
Where have you been?
- Of course Poland and Serbia ;P
- Bosnia (Kozluk, Zvornik)
- Czech (Prague and some villages in the mountains) and Slovakia (some villages in the mountains)
- Lithuania (Vilnus, Troki, Kovno)
- Ukraine (Winnica)
- USA (Washington DC, New York, Philadephia, Miami plus Everglades)
- Spain (Malaga, Fuengirola, Granada plus Al-hambra, Cordoba) and Gibraltar
- Scotland (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Ballacha, Balloch, Glencoe)
- Romania (a monastery in the north, Bucharest, Cluj Napoca, Brasov, Sinaia, Bran, Rasnov, Constanta, Floresti)
- Bulgaria (Sofia, the rest just from the window of car)
- Moldova (Chisnau, Cruglic)
- Cyprus (Larnaka, Limassol, Paphos, Nicosia including the Turkish part, Omodos, Kykkos, Tala, Pano Lefkara, Kahuna)
- Tunisia (Tunis, Sousse, Hamma Sousse, Monastir, Dhougga, Bulla Reggia, Ain Draham, Tabarka, Bizerta, Utique, El Djem, Matmata, Kairouan, Sidi Bou Said)
- Egypt (Cairo, Hurghada, Kom Ombo, Edu, Assiu, Assuan, Minya, Luxor, Abydos, Karnak)
- Germany (actually only 1, but whole day in Berlin)

Alpha60 said:
Where would you like to go?
Definitely, above all, the Holy Land. Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, Montenegro (yeah, that's quite ridiculous, as I have also Montenegrin blood), India (especially Delhi, Bombai and Kerala), Jordan - they're the ones I want very much. Other places are Murcia and Madrid in Spain, Greece (especially Athens, Thesalloniki, Meteoras and tomb of st. Paisios), Russia (Moscow and Optina Pustyn, Petersburg, Yekatinburg), Iran, Bukhara in Uzbekistan, Georgia, Armenia, Ethiopia.
Why would on earth you want to go to New York and Philidelphia?  If you visit the USA go to Chicago, it's more Orthodox, and we have the most Polish speaking people outside of Warsaw.  After that go to Detroit,which is also more Orthodox, and it has the best Arabic food outside of the Middle East.
 

Iconodule

Hoplitarches
Joined
Jan 2, 2010
Messages
16,486
Reaction score
20
Points
38
Age
39
Location
PA, USA
Faith
Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction
Patriarchate of Johnstown
But Philly has the nicest people.
 

Dominika

Merarches
Staff member
Global Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Dec 23, 2011
Messages
8,256
Reaction score
589
Points
113
Age
30
Location
Poland
Website
www.youtube.com
Faith
Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction
Antiochian Patriarchate/POC
Iconodule said:
Dominika said:
Iconodule said:
Been to Malaysia, China, Taiwan, Singapore, Australia, Ireland, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, Switzerland, France, Russia, Turkey, Canada, Saint Lucia, England.

I'd love to go to Georgia, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, and Ethiopia.
That's an impressive list, especially the Asian countries!
I can thank my very dispersed family for a lot of it.
In my case it hasn't been helping a lot ;)

William T said:
Dominika said:
Alpha60 said:
Where have you been?
- Of course Poland and Serbia ;P
- Bosnia (Kozluk, Zvornik)
- Czech (Prague and some villages in the mountains) and Slovakia (some villages in the mountains)
- Lithuania (Vilnus, Troki, Kovno)
- Ukraine (Winnica)
- USA (Washington DC, New York, Philadephia, Miami plus Everglades)
- Spain (Malaga, Fuengirola, Granada plus Al-hambra, Cordoba) and Gibraltar
- Scotland (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Ballacha, Balloch, Glencoe)
- Romania (a monastery in the north, Bucharest, Cluj Napoca, Brasov, Sinaia, Bran, Rasnov, Constanta, Floresti)
- Bulgaria (Sofia, the rest just from the window of car)
- Moldova (Chisnau, Cruglic)
- Cyprus (Larnaka, Limassol, Paphos, Nicosia including the Turkish part, Omodos, Kykkos, Tala, Pano Lefkara, Kahuna)
- Tunisia (Tunis, Sousse, Hamma Sousse, Monastir, Dhougga, Bulla Reggia, Ain Draham, Tabarka, Bizerta, Utique, El Djem, Matmata, Kairouan, Sidi Bou Said)
- Egypt (Cairo, Hurghada, Kom Ombo, Edu, Assiu, Assuan, Minya, Luxor, Abydos, Karnak)
- Germany (actually only 1, but whole day in Berlin)

Alpha60 said:
Where would you like to go?
Definitely, above all, the Holy Land. Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, Montenegro (yeah, that's quite ridiculous, as I have also Montenegrin blood), India (especially Delhi, Bombai and Kerala), Jordan - they're the ones I want very much. Other places are Murcia and Madrid in Spain, Greece (especially Athens, Thesalloniki, Meteoras and tomb of st. Paisios), Russia (Moscow and Optina Pustyn, Petersburg, Yekatinburg), Iran, Bukhara in Uzbekistan, Georgia, Armenia, Ethiopia.
Why would on earth you want to go to New York and Philidelphia?  If you visit the USA go to Chicago.  It's more Orthodox, and we have the most Polish speaking people outside of Warsaw.  After that go to Detroit,which is also more Orthodox, and it has the best Arabic food outside of the Middle East.
The list is what I have visited - the list of the countries I want to visit is below in the post you quoted.
I know that Chicago has the bigest both Polish and Serbian diaspora, so.. I prefer to visit something more different. And as for the Arabic food, I prefer to eat it in the origanl lands (well, I like it generally, but if it was only one/one of a few reasons to visit a place.. no).

I forgot to add Niagara Falls to the list of places I visited in the USA.
 

William T

Archon
Joined
May 22, 2015
Messages
2,545
Reaction score
2
Points
0
Age
38
Location
Chicago
Faith
Orthodox
Jurisdiction
Antioch
Iconodule said:
But Philly has the nicest people.
That made me spit my coffee out while I was reading this.  A lot of my family came in through Philly, none of them stayed.
 

Fr. George

Stratopedarches
Staff member
Administrator
Joined
Oct 5, 2004
Messages
22,143
Reaction score
381
Points
83
Age
41
Location
Pittsburgh, PA
Faith
Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction
Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Pittsburgh
Hmmmm.  I don't have a very impressive list

Been to (not including mere airport stopovers):
- 26/50 US states (lived in 4 of them, remaining 22 I've been to at least twice, many 4x+)
- Canada (Niagara region and Toronto, 5x+ for the former, 3x for the latter)
- Mexico (Tijuana & Rosarito, 2x ea.)
- Greece (Athens & the region of Messinia primarily; been as far north as Meteora; not too many islands; 4 trips total, I believe)
- Turkey (Istanbul 2x)

Want to go to:

- Cyprus
- England / Scotland / Wales
- Germany
- Holy Land
- Kenya
 

Dominika

Merarches
Staff member
Global Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Dec 23, 2011
Messages
8,256
Reaction score
589
Points
113
Age
30
Location
Poland
Website
www.youtube.com
Faith
Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction
Antiochian Patriarchate/POC
Fr. George said:
Hmmmm.  I don't have a very impressive list

Been to (not including mere airport stopovers):
- Turkey (Istanbul 2x)
Constantinople!
 

Fr. George

Stratopedarches
Staff member
Administrator
Joined
Oct 5, 2004
Messages
22,143
Reaction score
381
Points
83
Age
41
Location
Pittsburgh, PA
Faith
Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction
Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Pittsburgh
Dominika said:
Fr. George said:
Hmmmm.  I don't have a very impressive list

Been to (not including mere airport stopovers):
- Turkey (Istanbul 2x)
Constantinople!
I usually do refer to it in that way (I mean, let's face it - it hasn't been legally "Istanbul" for a century yet, less than 1/20th its history!). 

After my trips, I'm almost tempted to refer to it as both, though; Christian parts as Constantinople, non-Christian parts as Istanbul. 

I was shocked by how dirty parts of the Old City are.
 

Fr. George

Stratopedarches
Staff member
Administrator
Joined
Oct 5, 2004
Messages
22,143
Reaction score
381
Points
83
Age
41
Location
Pittsburgh, PA
Faith
Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction
Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Pittsburgh
Dominika said:
Greece (especially Athens, Thesalloniki, Meteoras and tomb of st. Paisios)
Athens - worth it if you're into the Ancient sites.  If you're expecting pure Greek essence, you may not find it unless you go to the right neighborhoods and suburbs.  Some of the islands are very accessible from Piraeus (like Aegina, resting place of St. Nektarios's relics).

Thessaloniki - definitely worth it.  I want to go also, and have had to make due with tales from my Father-in-law, whose family roots are from Chios via Thessaloniki.

Meteora - definitely worth it.  Really.  Give yourself enough time to not only visit the monasteries and seep in the spiritual environment, but also to stop and take in the vista on the way in and out of the area.

Also: You could easily spend a few days touring the Pelopponesus (I'm biased).  Monemvasia is breathtaking; Patras (St. Andrew) and Kalamata are worthy stops.  Ancient Olympia, Mistra, Corinth, and Sparta for ancient sites.  The monastery of the Great Cave has a wax icon made by St. Luke the Evangelist which has survived 6 fires.  Beautiful caves navigable by boat.  A sunken Turkish ship in a beautiful harbor visible from your boat on a clear day.  And beaches that don't see too much tourist action.
 

ZealousZeal

Protokentarchos
Joined
Jun 8, 2011
Messages
3,980
Reaction score
2
Points
0
Age
35
Faith
Orthodox
Jurisdiction
OCA
Iconodule said:
But Philly has the nicest people.
Oh yeah?! Then why was there a jail cell at the Vet? Those animals booed Santa Claus. Santa Claus.

NEW YORK FOOTBALL GIANTS


Ahem. I apologize. This is just a visceral reaction I have to Philadelphia.
 

Asteriktos

Strategos
Joined
Oct 4, 2002
Messages
40,135
Reaction score
612
Points
113
Faith
-
Jurisdiction
-
No one would call themselves "the city of brotherly love" unless it were true!!
 

Dominika

Merarches
Staff member
Global Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Dec 23, 2011
Messages
8,256
Reaction score
589
Points
113
Age
30
Location
Poland
Website
www.youtube.com
Faith
Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction
Antiochian Patriarchate/POC
Fr. George said:
Dominika said:
Fr. George said:
Hmmmm.  I don't have a very impressive list

Been to (not including mere airport stopovers):
- Turkey (Istanbul 2x)
Constantinople!
I usually do refer to it in that way (I mean, let's face it - it hasn't been legally "Istanbul" for a century yet, less than 1/20th its history!). 

After my trips, I'm almost tempted to refer to it as both, though; Christian parts as Constantinople, non-Christian parts as Istanbul. 

I was shocked by how dirty parts of the Old City are.
Not long time ago one of the Polish Orthodox bishops sent me an excusing e-mail (that he hadn't enough time to meet) saying "This weekend I am going by plane to Constantinople" ;) But he's a Hellenophile ;)


Fr. George said:
Dominika said:
Greece (especially Athens, Thesalloniki, Meteoras and tomb of st. Paisios)
Athens - worth it if you're into the Ancient sites.  If you're expecting pure Greek essence, you may not find it unless you go to the right neighborhoods and suburbs.  Some of the islands are very accessible from Piraeus (like Aegina, resting place of St. Nektarios's relics).

Thessaloniki - definitely worth it.  I want to go also, and have had to make due with tales from my Father-in-law, whose family roots are from Chios via Thessaloniki.

Meteora - definitely worth it.  Really.  Give yourself enough time to not only visit the monasteries and seep in the spiritual environment, but also to stop and take in the vista on the way in and out of the area.

Also: You could easily spend a few days touring the Pelopponesus (I'm biased).  Monemvasia is breathtaking; Patras (St. Andrew) and Kalamata are worthy stops.  Ancient Olympia, Mistra, Corinth, and Sparta for ancient sites.  The monastery of the Great Cave has a wax icon made by St. Luke the Evangelist which has survived 6 fires.  Beautiful caves navigable by boat.  A sunken Turkish ship in a beautiful harbor visible from your boat on a clear day.  And beaches that don't see too much tourist action.
Thank you father for these suggestions. I didn't know e.g about the gave wit st. Luke's icon - since He is my Slava, it would be an important place for me to visit.
 

Iconodule

Hoplitarches
Joined
Jan 2, 2010
Messages
16,486
Reaction score
20
Points
38
Age
39
Location
PA, USA
Faith
Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction
Patriarchate of Johnstown
Fr. George said:
Dominika said:
Fr. George said:
Hmmmm.  I don't have a very impressive list

Been to (not including mere airport stopovers):
- Turkey (Istanbul 2x)
Constantinople!
I usually do refer to it in that way (I mean, let's face it - it hasn't been legally "Istanbul" for a century yet, less than 1/20th its history!). 

After my trips, I'm almost tempted to refer to it as both, though; Christian parts as Constantinople, non-Christian parts as Istanbul. 

I was shocked by how dirty parts of the Old City are.
It seemed to me that most of the old "Constantinople" parts are unrecognizable ruins now. The only really prominent remains are the Theodosian walls and the Hagia Sophia and other churches converted to mosques. Everything else seems to have been picked apart to build houses.
 

Iconodule

Hoplitarches
Joined
Jan 2, 2010
Messages
16,486
Reaction score
20
Points
38
Age
39
Location
PA, USA
Faith
Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction
Patriarchate of Johnstown
ZealousZeal said:
Iconodule said:
But Philly has the nicest people.
Oh yeah?! Then why was there a jail cell at the Vet? Those animals booed Santa Claus. Santa Claus.

NEW YORK FOOTBALL GIANTS


Ahem. I apologize. This is just a visceral reaction I have to Philadelphia.
It's okay. The rest of my family might freak out at such antics, but for some reason I didn't get the gene. While everyone else moans and curses, I secretly laugh when the Eagles lose. Which they do, a lot.
 

augustin717

Taxiarches
Joined
Mar 15, 2006
Messages
7,026
Reaction score
107
Points
63
Faith
Higher Criticism
Jurisdiction
Dutch
I want to go to Romania, Bulgaria and the former Yugoslavia largely because the railways in these countries, and in Slovakia, which I would also like to see (Ive only been to Prague and Budapest in the brutally occupied western end of the Iron Block), still have the beautiful IC and EC trains, in fact, largely formed from former German, Swiss and Swedish rolling stock.  (The extra-wide Swedish cars, which I travelled on to see my Godfather Eugene's adopted daughter and her Swedish husband and their children, my only living relatives in Europe, in 2000, continue to run in Bosnia). 
🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈
Since I used the Romanian trains  weekly for 5 years and then some more , just be prepared for people eating sunflower seeds and spitting the husks on your shoes.
 

Iconodule

Hoplitarches
Joined
Jan 2, 2010
Messages
16,486
Reaction score
20
Points
38
Age
39
Location
PA, USA
Faith
Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction
Patriarchate of Johnstown
BTW Dominika, what did you see in Philly?
 

Dominika

Merarches
Staff member
Global Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Dec 23, 2011
Messages
8,256
Reaction score
589
Points
113
Age
30
Location
Poland
Website
www.youtube.com
Faith
Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction
Antiochian Patriarchate/POC
augustin717 said:
Since I used the Romanian trains  weekly for 5 years and then some more , just be prepared for people eating sunflower seeds and spitting the husks on your shoes.
So I was lucky! During these 16 days in Romania (when I was 4 years ago in Romania, I was going by a bus of our Polish Orthodox delegation) I was travelling quite a lot by trains, by various types, and all of them were clean,w ithout people eatinf sunflowers :p Once there has been just a guy with a big, really a big and long-hair dog.
 

Dominika

Merarches
Staff member
Global Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Dec 23, 2011
Messages
8,256
Reaction score
589
Points
113
Age
30
Location
Poland
Website
www.youtube.com
Faith
Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction
Antiochian Patriarchate/POC
Iconodule said:
BTW Dominika, what did you see in Philly?
I spent there only 1, full day, so I visited quite detailly only the centre with this all historical stuff ;) And I was going with my 2 friends through Philly on foot, carrying our big, plane bags, because there was no luggage store (well, tehre was one, but for other bus company than from which one we bought the tickets), and we were going from NY to Washington.
That's how it looked:

 

augustin717

Taxiarches
Joined
Mar 15, 2006
Messages
7,026
Reaction score
107
Points
63
Faith
Higher Criticism
Jurisdiction
Dutch
Dominika said:
augustin717 said:
Since I used the Romanian trains  weekly for 5 years and then some more , just be prepared for people eating sunflower seeds and spitting the husks on your shoes.
So I was lucky! During these 16 days in Romania (when I was 4 years ago in Romania, I was going by a bus of our Polish Orthodox delegation) I was travelling quite a lot by trains, by various types, and all of them were clean,w ithout people eatinf sunflowers :p Once there has been just a guy with a big, really a big and long-hair dog.
you probably didn't get on those secondary/tertiary rails where only the so called "personals" or "motors" run.
 

Iconodule

Hoplitarches
Joined
Jan 2, 2010
Messages
16,486
Reaction score
20
Points
38
Age
39
Location
PA, USA
Faith
Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction
Patriarchate of Johnstown
Dominika said:
Iconodule said:
BTW Dominika, what did you see in Philly?
I spent there only 1, full day, so I visited quite detailly only the centre with this all historical stuff ;) And I was going with my 2 friends through Philly on foot, carrying our big, plane bags, because there was no luggage store (well, tehre was one, but for other bus company than from which one we bought the tickets), and we were going from NY to Washington.
That's how it looked:

Ah, okay, that's pretty hectic. I would absolutely hate dragging luggage around Philly. I generally find the historical stuff in Philly (Liberty Bell, Independence Hall, etc) to be rather dull compared to other places. I like Philly and the area around it for the weirder, humbler things that pop up here and there, eg protestant hermit caves, abandoned cemeteries, the Edgar Allen Poe house.
 

Dominika

Merarches
Staff member
Global Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Dec 23, 2011
Messages
8,256
Reaction score
589
Points
113
Age
30
Location
Poland
Website
www.youtube.com
Faith
Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction
Antiochian Patriarchate/POC
Iconodule said:
Dominika said:
Iconodule said:
BTW Dominika, what did you see in Philly?
I spent there only 1, full day, so I visited quite detailly only the centre with this all historical stuff ;) And I was going with my 2 friends through Philly on foot, carrying our big, plane bags, because there was no luggage store (well, tehre was one, but for other bus company than from which one we bought the tickets), and we were going from NY to Washington.
That's how it looked:

Ah, okay, that's pretty hectic. I would absolutely hate dragging luggage around Philly. I generally find the historical stuff in Philly (Liberty Bell, Independence Hall, etc) to be rather dull compared to other places. I like Philly and the area around it for the weirder, humbler things that pop up here and there, eg protestant hermit caves, abandoned cemeteries, the Edgar Allen Poe house.
I wish we had had more time! And no our big bags with us...
 

xOrthodox4Christx

Taxiarches
Joined
Apr 28, 2013
Messages
7,322
Reaction score
1
Points
0
Faith
Orthodox Catholic Church
Jurisdiction
Orthodox Church in America
The Caribbean and South America. I'd like to go to East Asia, Southeast Asia and Western Europe. Though, Russia, Greece, Czech Republic and Bulgaria are on my list.
 

Alpha60

Taxiarches
Joined
Mar 14, 2017
Messages
5,793
Reaction score
17
Points
0
Location
Alphaville Zone Sud
Faith
Christian
Jurisdiction
Orthodox
augustin717 said:
I want to go to Romania, Bulgaria and the former Yugoslavia largely because the railways in these countries, and in Slovakia, which I would also like to see (Ive only been to Prague and Budapest in the brutally occupied western end of the Iron Block), still have the beautiful IC and EC trains, in fact, largely formed from former German, Swiss and Swedish rolling stock.  (The extra-wide Swedish cars, which I travelled on to see my Godfather Eugene's adopted daughter and her Swedish husband and their children, my only living relatives in Europe, in 2000, continue to run in Bosnia). 
🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈
Since I used the Romanian trains  weekly for 5 years and then some more , just be prepared for people eating sunflower seeds and spitting the husks on your shoes.
In First Class on Intercity and Eurocity trains with reserved seating, as opposed to the Romanian equivalent of the Elektrishka, I would be very surprised if that happend.  There is no First Coass on the poorly maintained Albanian Railway, which does not at present connect to the Serbian network, although it used to pre-Hoxha, but meh, I've volunteered as a car attendant on tourist railways where our rolling stock consisted primarily of ancient coaches from the 1920s with no air conditioning, the worst of which was an old Illinois Central commuter car from Chicago with wooden bench seats (the other cars were from long distance trains and had comfortable seats, original doors, and air conditioners and bathrooms which were broken; we had a dining car called the Powhatan with air conditioning and a newer Dinner Train from the 1940s, with working AC, and a converted baggage car called the Dark Territory with our snack bar and the bathrooms.  So most of the volunteers job was walking the coaches and making sure passengers knew how to get to the bathrooms, and also to operate the manual platform doors on the 1920s cars, which was a tricky prospect.

The railroad we existed to support lost its county subsidy in 2013 but recently restarted operations on half of the line, from Fillmore to Piru, which we reopened while I was volunteering.  The more scenic and interesting Santa Paula line remains closed, however, and many members of our rsilroad historical society have become quite elderly or passed away.  We (the non profit historical society) directly own a turntable which opened in 2006; it took 8 years of engineering.  We get revenue by turning container cars for the Union Pacific, which foolishly scrapped their last operational turntable in Southern California around 2003.  We also own a caboose, a Pacific Fruit Express insulated refrigerator car, of the olf fashioned kind that used ice rather than freon and air compressors, and a beautiful 1956 Union Pacific Pullman coach, the National Emblem, which operated Los Angeles-St. Louis services, and has original carpets, working electricity and working toilets, a fully intact interior with two types of bedrooms and old fsshioned Pullman style open sleeping areas with curtains (which were kept for US government use; the Feds wouldnt oay for anything more expensive than an open Pullman berth for their employees).

However, she has a broken truck (bogie) or rather, to be more precise, a fractured wheel, which woukd require replacing the whole axle, and also all of the sheet metal on one side of the car has rusted (invisibly)  This is because it was a Pullman, buit by Pullman Standard from alluminum and regular steel, and not a Budd car built of stainless steel, like most current Amtrak and Canadian trains, and also most kong distance cars in Portugal.  The Budd Company invented electrical shot-welding, producing rust proof cars the bodywork of which will last forever without rusting (but they can still have a cracked wheel or other breakage rendering them B/O (Bad Order, meaning unserviceable or in need of repair or scrapping).  Our caboose runs fine, ex-Santa Fe, however, but our National Emblem is purely a display piece.  Also overkill for our trains, which take 2 hours round trip at 30 KM/h on the ancient track, which is in the minimum condition allowed by the FRA for passenger service.

The for profit railroad which runs the trains we support recently restored a steam locomotive that had been out of service since the 90s with a cracked piston, and also has some splendid vintage diesels.  We have another tiny steam locomotive, a "tank engine" too underpowered to actually pull anything, which until 2006 people could drive at our annual railfest for $50.  Unfortunately she failed a boiler test.  Stem engines are hard work; you just get one fixed and another one breaks down horribly requiring a lot of money to repair.

Thus I prefer vintage trams and electric trains and funiculars.  My favorite railfan experience in Europe is the world's oldest monorail, the Wuppertal Schwebebahn.
 

Alpo

Merarches
Joined
Dec 9, 2007
Messages
9,878
Reaction score
3
Points
0
Faith
Mongol-Finnic Orthodox
Jurisdiction
Priestly Society of St. John Ireland
Been to:
Sweden, Estonia, Norway, Denmark, Russia, Germany, Luxembourg, Malta, Italy, Israel, Palestine :p, Armenia, Georgia

Would like to go:
Lithuania, the Ukraine, Croatia, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, China, Malaysia, the United States

I've been wanting to go to Iran for about three years now but can't find any travel company to there. All of my friends want to go to either Western or Orthodox countries. Meh.
 

xOrthodox4Christx

Taxiarches
Joined
Apr 28, 2013
Messages
7,322
Reaction score
1
Points
0
Faith
Orthodox Catholic Church
Jurisdiction
Orthodox Church in America
Alpo said:
Been to:
Sweden, Estonia, Norway, Denmark, Russia, Germany, Luxembourg, Malta, Italy, Israel, Palestine :p, Armenia, Georgia

Would like to go:
Lithuania, the Ukraine, Croatia, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, China, Malaysia, the United States

I've been wanting to go to Iran for about three years now but can't find any travel company to there. All of my friends want to go to either Western or Orthodox countries. Meh.
You could probably get there from another country. Like, Venezuela. But yeah, I'd like to do Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Iran once.
 

hecma925

Orthodox Taliban
Joined
Jul 31, 2013
Messages
21,477
Reaction score
1,381
Points
113
Age
161
Location
Wandering Fool
Faith
Truthful Chalcedonian Truther
Jurisdiction
Enemy State Orthodox Church Abroad
Alpha60 said:
Also, here is my travelogue and travel desire, from a trip in 2003 and an upcoming trip:

I really want to visit and spend time in Romania, Bulgaria, the former Yugoslavia.  Also Poland, which I visited in 2003 with my mother; to give you an idea of how offbeat we are in our preferences, we were in Dresden visiting a friend, and we had two options: Gdansk or Venice.  We were travelling by Eurail, but from Berlin, both were about equidistant mainly due at the time to slow speeds on the Warsaw-Berlin railway and the lack of a direct train via Pomerania; both involved one train change; Venice would have taken us to Munich on the ICE, where we would catch a EuroCity for Venice, which is or was a lovely train; the Italian passenger coaches first class coaches used on Eurocity services were beautifully furnished with blue and green upholstery. and featured a spectacularly detailed map of the entire Italian railway network (back then, all run by the state owned FS), and the bistro car despite not being a full restaurant car had amazing Lasagna; we had two years earlier taken this train from Munich to Innsbruck. 

However, we wound up going for Gdansk, and it was so beautiful on the Baltic, especially the Polish-built Gydnia, which had more interesting architecture and was less crowded than the former German port of Danzig.  The latter city was still amazing; while we were there, we had our favorite cuisine (Russian) at an outdoor cafe in Gdansk proper, toured a few historic houses, visited the cathedral with its beautiful carillon, which entertained us with lovely classical music every hour no matter where we were in the city, and toured the ships of the Maritime Museum, including a beautiful Polish Navy exploration and oceanographic research vessel dating from the Soviet era.  The trains were also awesome; Berlin to Warsaw was a special EC train, jointly owned by PKP and DB, and identical to the German IC trains except with a blue stripe rather than a red stripe.  IC and EC trains with their six seater compartments, which, if empty, and they usually were, let you stretch out and lie down two ways, across the seats, or by merging two seats together with full recline (especially nice on the few unrefurbished "Silberligne" trains used on local routes in Germany, as the compartments were slightly smaller, making the two chairs fit together perfectly as a bed).  The only exception was CD, the Czech Rail, which in their infinite wisdom fixed the armrests and reduced the recline angle in Eurocity cars, and the nasty German InterRegio trains, which had been refurbished with hard plastic seats, and were retired in 2002 except for their nasty BordBistro, which replaced the BordRestaurant on all IC trains, but not EC trains like the Berlin-Warsaw Express.  The Polish IC train was even better, with a fabulous bar car where you could order delicious chicken dinners from the kitchen for just $2 American.  I felt guilty doing it, but I was 16 and hungry, so I bought a second dinner affer I finished rhe first.  Today I would struggle to eat just one. 

So by mutual consent we had settled on Gdansk, and absolutely loved it to pieces.  The very highlight was the walk along the beach from the adjacent resort town of Sopor to Gydnia, where there were swans swimmimg in the Baltic by a little outdoor snack bar, where we split bottles of fanta and I think, icecream, just to watch them.  We then went to a beutiful little  hotel with gorgeous 1920s Polish Arts and Crafts style architecture, on a wooded hill af the end of the beach, to call a taxi to take us back fo our bland hotel by the railway station.  Sitting in the lobby, we resolved to go there "next time"  pray that my mother regains her health so we can make the trip

I wish we had been able to do Venice also, as I hear since 2003 in the summer it is even more overrun with tourists, giant cruise ships sail down the Grand Canal precipitously close to St. Mark's  and other cultural treasures, and the Venetians are getting priced out of their own apartments due to the demand for more hotels, and a mayor had the literally bright and metaphorically dim idea of ordering the gonfolas in passenger service to have reflective stripes.  The Venetians have become, understandably, grouchy, and I dont want to add to their misery with my presence.  The Poles were and I expect still are warm and friendly, as Gdansk remains slightly offbeat.  We took a delightful sleeper from Gdansk back to Berlin, which was perfect except for polish customs and the German Gendarmee waking us up at 5 AM to check that we were the persons on our passports (which were held for us by the attendant).  I then had a bizarre dream in which my mother asked the German guards for Vodka and I sarcastically said "Hiel Hitler" when they were finished, and then we arrived.  Good thing we did not say that to them while they were actually there, eh.  i expect this was a dream, as Germans have no sense of humor regarding the Nazi period, understandably perhaps, but disagreeably continue to ban Mel Brooks delightful, very anti-Nazi romp The Producers.

I want to go to Romania, Bulgaria and the former Yugoslavia largely because the railways in these countries, and in Slovakia, which I would also like to see (Ive only been to Prague and Budapest in the brutally occupied western end of the Iron Block), still have the beautiful IC and EC trains, in fact, largely formed from former German, Swiss and Swedish rolling stock.  (The extra-wide Swedish cars, which I travelled on to see my Godfather Eugene's adopted daughter and her Swedish husband and their children, my only living relatives in Europe, in 2000, continue to run in Bosnia). 

Also, I want to meet the people and see the Orthodox churches and monasteries.  Especially the Cathedral of St. Alexander Nevsky in Sofia, and the monasteries in Serbia, Kosovo and Romania, and perhaps visit Albania to see the miraculous Orthodox Christian community, which survived Enver Hoxha underground and against all odds, and the monasteries of the Bektasi Sufis.  In Herzegovina, I would like to go to Mostar to try and meet the Diocesan Bishop, if he speaks English, and I think he does, as I regard him as a hero and functionally Orthodox for standing up and fighting against the falsehood of Medjugorje. Also, as mentioned above, I would like to spend some time in an Orthodox city where it is possible to attend the Divine Liturgy or other services at different churches daily; do Belgrade, Sofia or Bucharest fit that bill?

As mentioned elsewhere, my Uncle Wendell loved Portugal, and they still have some beautiful trains and trams, as does Spain (not quite as good in terms of trams and funiculars, but in the Basque country there is a large and very busy narrow gauge railway, the most modern in Europe, run by Euskotren).  I desire to see Barcelona, especially the Art Nouveau architecture of Gaudi and his nearly complete Cathedral, and wave a flag in support of letting the Catalonians have a vote on independence, Madrid, where I wish to see the beautiful architecture, sample tje famous cuisine, including a type of flan called "Heavenly Bacon", and the gorgeous former chamber of the Spanish senate, Lisbon, Porto, San Dominica de Compostela, with its Cathedral of St. James the Great and the world's largest thurible, the Basque country, and conclude in Andora, as I have visited Liechtenstein, and Luxembourg, and my goal is to see and learn about all the small countries of Europe, and that would leave just San Marino, Monaco and the Vatican, among universally recognized Sovereign states. 

I would also like to see Transnistria, which is not internationally recognized, and the autonomous Finnish territory of Aland, and its Danish mid-Atlantic counterpart, the beautiful Shetlands.

*Eurail for those over 26 is only sold in First Class, but back in 2000-2003 it was cheaper than flying, before the rise of Ryanair and easyJet,  i would still prefer it, however; for me Europe doesnt feel right unless at least part of my trip involves watching the exquisitely beautiful countryside unfold from the window of a train.  So much in Europe, like the beautiful castles, churches and small villages of the valleys in the Austrian Tyrol, and the beauty of the Swedish Baltic coast and the Norwegian forests, I would have missed if I had travelled by air.
I stopped when I read that Russian is your favorite cuisine.
 

Asteriktos

Strategos
Joined
Oct 4, 2002
Messages
40,135
Reaction score
612
Points
113
Faith
-
Jurisdiction
-
hecma925 said:
I stopped when I read that Russian is your favorite cuisine.
Well sometimes they can be quite discerning when it comes to quality.  8)
 

Alpo

Merarches
Joined
Dec 9, 2007
Messages
9,878
Reaction score
3
Points
0
Faith
Mongol-Finnic Orthodox
Jurisdiction
Priestly Society of St. John Ireland
xOrthodox4Christx said:
Alpo said:
Been to:
Sweden, Estonia, Norway, Denmark, Russia, Germany, Luxembourg, Malta, Italy, Israel, Palestine :p, Armenia, Georgia

Would like to go:
Lithuania, the Ukraine, Croatia, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, China, Malaysia, the United States

I've been wanting to go to Iran for about three years now but can't find any travel company to there. All of my friends want to go to either Western or Orthodox countries. Meh.
You could probably get there from another country.
Getting there is not a problem. I don't know if getting visa is impossible for US citizens or something but Finns have no such restrictions. Although Iranian officials refuse visa on some absurd reasons.
 
Top