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The use of non-Latin Catholic rites outside of their traditional geographic areas

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synLeszka said:
I do not think that it is fortunate to see a Syriac mass in the USA... The Syriac Mass should be said in Syria not in the US.
Why? There are many Iraqi refugees in my city, and they go to the Eastern Catholic parish. At some point, we may actually have enough to start a Syriac Catholic mission. They want to hear Mass in their own tongue according to their own rite. There's not reason for us to prevent them just because of locality.
 

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synLeszka said:
I do not think that it is fortunate to see a Syriac mass in the USA... The Syriac Mass should be said in Syria not in the US.
Do tell your archdiocese of Chicago. They have all these Polish masses here.
 

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ialmisry said:
synLeszka said:
I do not think that it is fortunate to see a Syriac mass in the USA... The Syriac Mass should be said in Syria not in the US.
Do tell your archdiocese of Chicago. They have all these Polish masses here.
I don't want to read too much into synLeszka's comment, but it strikes me of being of the same mindset that Archbishop Ireland and his progeny exhibited in response to the growth of the Slavic Greek Catholic community in the United States in the late 19th century.
 

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podkarpatska said:
ialmisry said:
synLeszka said:
I do not think that it is fortunate to see a Syriac mass in the USA... The Syriac Mass should be said in Syria not in the US.
Do tell your archdiocese of Chicago. They have all these Polish masses here.
I don't want to read too much into synLeszka's comment, but it strikes me of being of the same mindset that Archbishop Ireland and his progeny exhibited in response to the growth of the Slavic Greek Catholic community in the United States in the late 19th century.
It struck me much the same way.  Though the one-liner is much too cryptic for us to know precisely what he intended.

I do hope he returns to this and explains his response a bit more clearly.  It may confirm what I felt about it initially, or not, but I am interested to know with more certitude.

Mary
 

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I do not think that it is fortunate to see a Syriac mass in the USA... The Syriac Mass should be said in Syria not in the US.
I find it sad that Syriac Catholics had to immigrate from their homeland. I find it sad that they cannot celebrate their liturgy in peace in Damascus but have to seek asylum in a land which is not their homeland. I think that everyone agrees with me that immigration is a sad experience which in an ideal world would not exist. True, the faith has no national heritage but the religious experience of a nation which the Syriac liturgy is a codification of cannot be transplanted elsewhere without becoming a calque of reality.
 

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Actually, Syriac Catholics don't have problems in Syria, if they emigrate it is not for persecution, but rather for economic reasons, so they can celebrate their Liturgy in peace in Damascus, Aleppo, etc.

Most Syriac Catholics emigrated from their homelands because of the Seyfo; from the Patriarchal diocese in Lebanon during the Lebanese civil war and after the American invasion in Iraq, where they are concentrated in Baghdad and Mosul.
 

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synLeszka said:
I do not think that it is fortunate to see a Syriac mass in the USA... The Syriac Mass should be said in Syria not in the US.
I find it sad that Syriac Catholics had to immigrate from their homeland. I find it sad that they cannot celebrate their liturgy in peace in Damascus but have to seek asylum in a land which is not their homeland. I think that everyone agrees with me that immigration is a sad experience which in an ideal world would not exist. True, the faith has no national heritage but the religious experience of a nation which the Syriac liturgy is a codification of cannot be transplanted elsewhere without becoming a calque of reality.
Are you then critical of Americans of Polish origin who have kept many of the customs and pious traditions of the Old World (many of which those of us who are Ukrainian, Slovak, Rusyn, Lemko or Galician) and do you consider them to be a 'calque of reality?' Seriously, you would not get very far with that argument in say Buffalo, New York, Chicago, Illinois or Milwaukee, Wisconsin just to name a few metropolitan areas with a large Polish American population. (Or Toronto, Ontario if you prefer Canada.)

If that is your point, you have more in common with Archbishop Ireland than your expatriate Poles here and perhaps you have caused some of us to rethink what we have been taught about Archbishop Ireland's motivations. Perhaps he and his colleagues were  motivated not by a misplaced 19th century notion of 'Americanism' but, as I suspect Isa would agree, with a sense of a Papal mandate that would put some hypothetical sense of being a prototypical Roman Catholic over the pious traditions of any nation.
 

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synLeszka said:
I do not think that it is fortunate to see a Syriac mass in the USA... The Syriac Mass should be said in Syria not in the US.
I find it sad that Syriac Catholics had to immigrate from their homeland. I find it sad that they cannot celebrate their liturgy in peace in Damascus but have to seek asylum in a land which is not their homeland. I think that everyone agrees with me that immigration is a sad experience which in an ideal world would not exist.
Still pining over the feudalism of the Commonwealth I see.

True, the faith has no national heritage but the religious experience of a nation which the Syriac liturgy is a codification of cannot be transplanted elsewhere without becoming a calque of reality.
sort of like the Latin mass outside of North Africa.

The English have made quite a convincing calque of Britain in the US and Canada.  The French have made a good calque of France in Quebec, and even vestiges remain in the Mississippi valley (my son, when we were traveling there, asked, how come we have all this French stuff and no one knows about it).
The Poles have made quite a convincing calque here in Chicago in Polonia.
 
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