Theological hot takes that can get you in trouble with your fellow brethren

[Tzimis]

Would it be sacrilegious to add Regeneron's antibodies to the antidoron instead. It was after all invented by a Greek.

 

[melkite]

Would it be sacrilegious to add Regeneron's antibodies to the antidoron instead. It was after all invented by a Greek.

Oh ye of little faith! If God protects the faithful from getting sick by receiving the Eucharist, kissing the chalice or relics or icons, why would he allow someone to get sick from receiving antidoron?

 

[Alpo2]

I mostly try to avoid taking strong stances to pretty much anything churchy. I've found that having lots of angry opinions is usually detrimental to my spiritual life. I guess this is a kind of hot take.

 

[cossack 316]

I always seem to argue with my orthodox brothers and sisters regarding confession. I was taught and still practice, that an adult should NOT take communion unless they had confession earlier.

 

[Ikonos]

I think I know things that others don't when really I only know a little....

 

[Tzimis]

Oh ye of little faith! If God protects the faithful from getting sick by receiving the Eucharist, kissing the chalice or relics or icons, why would he allow someone to get sick from receiving antidoron?

I don't have the need to put god to the test. That was hashed out when the devil tempted Christ to jump off the cliff. Plus, I already communioned this year.
Its not a life or death situation. I can hold off till there is a vaccine.

 

[Ikonos]

Would it be sacrilegious to add Regeneron's antibodies to the antidoron instead. It was after all invented by a Greek.

The dogs under the table might eat the crumbs and be affected by the antibodies!

 

[Tzimis]

The dogs under the table might eat the crumbs and be affected by the antibodies!

Probably positively. Last week 8000 minks died because they caught CV from one of the workers at a farm. https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news...08-20-intl/h_b1b17737445ac5cb60f54df4b0467c5d

 

[Saxon]

9. I'm extremely disappointed by how Christian churches, across the west and across all denominations, passively acquiesced to being shut down and closed by governments in response to the virus. Three centuries of being an illegal underground faith with membership being punishable by torture and death in the Roman Empire, numerous totalitarian regimes seeking its annihilation, and a literal countless number of plagues and wars didn't stop Christians from meeting and making it work. But some spineless politicians and their police enforcers in the 21st century did what 2,000 years of the former couldn't do. Absolutely pathetic.

10. St. Augustine is one of the most important Orthodox saints and is indeed a Church Father.

 

[biro]

Yay, let’s go stand packed in like sardines and cough up a deadly virus all over each other.

 

[Asteriktos]

A lot of people sound like they're trying to be the Micro Machines guy when they pray "Lord have mercy" 40x

 

[LukeDM]

A lot of people sound like they're trying to be the Micro Machines guy when they pray "Lord have mercy" 40x

That's hilarious.
Micro Machines Guy

 

[PorphyriosK]

That's hilarious.
Micro Machines Guy

I remember this vividly.

 

[Wandile]

11) Hagia Sophia is a Catholic Church.

12) The Syrian Catholic, Melkite Catholic and Chaldean Catholic Churches are actually the legitimate continuations of the Antiochan and Assyrian churches in those traditions and their Orthodox and Assyrian counterparts are actually rival lines established after the historical lines declared union with Rome. Also the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church is actually the real holder of the see of Kiev.

13) Regional synods, not bishops conferences, should be a more common occurrence in the Roman tradition but held only on a needs basis.

14) EOy should do away with standing synods.

15) The bishops of Rome should actually run the diocese of Rome and so should all other patriarchs run their dioceses instead of auxiliary bishops.

16) Territorial fights in Eastern Orthodoxy are killing its efforts to grow because they indicate that bishops are more concerned with authority than with evangelism and are suspicious of each other.

17) Eastern Orthodoxy is too trigger happy when it comes to excommunication and schism while the Catholic Church is too lenient and slow to rightly excommunicate certain people and bodies.

18) The internal state of EOy and the schisms there in is not normal, no matter how much people try to make sound like it is, and this leads to the fact that EOy can’t effectively hold a council that binds everyone. It needs to be sorted out even if only for their own sakes.

19) I don’t think the pope should attend ecumenical councils but rather should just send legates and approve the acts afterwards.

20) “Orthodox” England is nonsense and no more real than kids fairytales.

21) A synod cannot depose it’s patriarch. Only a higher authority can.

 

[PorphyriosK]

6) Wandile has a fixation/obsession with Orthodoxy. It troubles his conscience and makes him doubt. This is why he must go trolling at times, which he does on Orthodox Twitter as well. He's trying to reassure himself that all is well with the papal system, but his confidence is shaken.

7) Wandile will become Orthodox.

8) I actually happen to like Wandile and pray often for his conversion.

 

[Wandile]

6) Wandile has a fixation/obsession with Orthodoxy. It troubles his conscience and makes him doubt. This is why he must go trolling at times, which he does on Orthodox Twitter as well. He's trying to reassure himself that all is well with the papal system, but his confidence is shaken.

I hardly argue on Orthodox twitter as I think it’s a sad state of affairs and poor representation of EOy to be honest. Many times the guys there do a serious disservice to your communion. I hate the “cope” and “dunked” culture of Catholic and Orthodox twitter respectively. I’ve actually dialed back on religious twitter for the most part besides the odd comment here and there

7) Wandile will become Orthodox.

That will never happen. EOy to me, in all honesty, is something akin to high liturgical Protestantism with valid sacraments. Kind of like what Anglicanism were before they invalidated their orders or the Old Catholic before they did the same thing.

I have no doubts about Rome but I do desire the east and west to unite.

8) I actually happen to like Wandile and pray often for his conversion.

I like you too and appreciate the sentiment but that’s never going to happen as my salvation depends on it not happening. Rather pray for my struggles against sin.

 

[LukeDM]

11) Hagia Sophia is a Catholic Church.

LOL

 

[PorphyriosK]

I hardly argue on Orthodox twitter as I think it’s a sad state of affairs and poor representation of EOy to be honest. Many times the guys there do a serious disservice to your communion. I hate the “cope” and “dunked” culture of Catholic and Orthodox twitter respectively. I’ve actually dialed back on religious twitter for the most part besides the odd comment here and there



That will never happen. EOy to me, in all honesty, is something akin to high liturgical Protestantism with valid sacraments. I have no doubts about Rome but I do desire the east and west to unite.



I like you too and appreciate the sentiment but that’s never going to happen as my salvation depends on it not happening. Rather pray for my struggles against sin.

Fair enough. Although I'm sorry to hear that, I respect your convictions. And I'm sorry I've been unreasonably harsh at times. God bless.

 

[PorphyriosK]

LOL

Wandile's right on that point. He just doesn't understand who the real Catholic Church is.

 

[Ainnir]

Twitter is a terrible place for theological discussion and debate. OC.net is the only place for such discourse.

 

[sestir]

6. Christianity will probably be almost extinct within the next 100 years.

This is an important point.
Where I live, laws say a majority may not discriminate or incite against a minority, but is says nothing about minorities inciting or discriminating about majorities, so that is actually more or less allowed. So every group try to make themselves out as minorities. Only majorities can successfully push the idea that they are minorities. Minorities often get recognized as majorities and cannot challenge that perception because they are too few. So when in Sweden ca 60% self-identify as Christians but only 36% believe in God, a huge share of the 60% know full well that they are something else than Christians, and they want us to take the blame for what they accomplish. So, we have lots of people who variously identify as Christian (if it counts), Atheist (when they need to be accepted in a group) and perhaps Muslim in some settings.

For instance, a truck driver whom I introduced to a run/task, told me he was Atheist and didn't like religion because of how it led to war and unnecessary conflicts, such as between Christians and Muslims. I replied that Shiites seemed to get along well with Christians, whereupon he got extremely worked up, claiming that Shia Islam wasn't real Islam. So, turns out he was a Sunni Atheist.

In other words, people aren't what they claim to be, and so long as Christians keep pretending that statistics matter on this point, refer to countries as "Christian countries" when they clearly aren't or keep assuming that churches, as organizations, would be pro-christian, Christianity will keep declining. Because we will be perceived as a threat rather than an asset, and get the blame for everything which infidels do.

 

[Ainnir]

Here: Christianity can never decline or go extinct. It never grows or shrinks. It’s just that few people have ever really found it to begin with.

 

[Dominika]

I do not know what Vagantes and Old Calendarists in the East have done in response to COVID measures as opposed to the mainline Orthodox Churches? In the west, Traditionalists normally have a pretty bad name for their level of independence from the mainstream. However, this current COVID situation has brought some pretty troubling church government practices into sharp contrast with how the more independent organizations are handling this situation. I am not advocating for any of those group's positions on the church per se, but the mainstream of east and west have both taken some pretty sharp blows from their own congregations for following the herd on the COVID restrictions, particularly in how they were administered over against the normal worship life of their respective Churches.

The state of the church in the public's eyes is worse than it was 20 years ago and certainly has grown much worse in the last 10. I fear a true and all out assault on the churches is certainly much closer than at any time in my life. The capitulation of church leaders to government's mandates has certainly not helped during this time and is quite troubling.

Polish Orthodox Church in most (but yes, not all) has been opposing the goverment restrictions. And we don't rather have problem with covid inside the society. The unique parish that has some notable (and, geenrally, faithful) people with covid is the one of few that put limits up to 5 for the Holy Week and Pascha and defended masks. Not kidding.

 

[hecma925]

Here: Christianity can never decline or go extinct. It never grows or shrinks. It’s just that few people have ever really found it to begin with.

Only 2 or 3 are needed.

 

[Mor Ephrem]

EOy to me, in all honesty, is something akin to high liturgical Protestantism with valid sacraments.

I suppose that makes Roman Catholicism whatever Joel Osteen is.

 

[noahzarc1]

6. Christianity will probably be almost extinct within the next 100 years.

...but when the Son of Man comes will He find faith on earth - Luke 18:8

 

[PorphyriosK]

I suppose that makes Roman Catholicism whatever Joel Osteen is.

"Essentially, Protestantism is nothing other than a generally applied papism. For in Protestantism, the fundamental principle of papism is brought to life by each man individually. After the example of the infallible man in Rome, each Protestant is a cloned infallible man, because he pretends to personal infallibility in matters of faith. It can be said: Protestantism is a vulgarized papism, only stripped of mystery (i.e., sacramentality), authority and power."

-St. Justin Popovich

 

[Wandile]

I suppose that makes Roman Catholicism whatever Joel Osteen is.

it would make it the truth

 

[Wandile]

"Essentially, Protestantism is nothing other than a generally applied papism. For in Protestantism, the fundamental principle of papism is brought to life by each man individually. After the example of the infallible man in Rome, each Protestant is a cloned infallible man, because he pretends to personal infallibility in matters of faith. It can be said: Protestantism is a vulgarized papism, only stripped of mystery (i.e., sacramentality), authority and power."

-St. Justin Popovich

Didn’t Martin Luther say something nearly identical to this about the Protestant movement he started?

 

[PorphyriosK]

Didn’t Martin Luther say something nearly identical to this about the Protestant movement he started?

I don't get the joke. Why would Luther criticize his own movement?

 

[hecma925]

it would make it the truth

Pope Joel of the latter times

 

[Wandile]

Pope Joel of the latter times

The only true Pope

 

[Wandile]

I don't get the joke. Why would Luther criticize his own movement?

It’s not a joke. Luther tended to criticize the effects of his movement often. I remember, years back, reading a quote of Luther saying something to this effect as a criticism of the unwanted effects that Sola Scriptura had which he lamented. Something tot the effect of “I wanted to liberate the people from the pope, but now instead every man is his own pope”

 

[Ainnir]

Well it's good he recognized his error.

 

[noahzarc1]

Orthodox think Catholics are a form of Protestantism. Catholics think Orthodox are a form of Protestantism. Protestants think they are the Church.

In reality, Orthodox are Orthodox. Catholics are Catholics. Protestants, as passionate as they may be, are Protestants.

 

[PorphyriosK]

Pope Joel of the latter times

I can't believe I found a ready-made image.

 

[Vanhyo]

2) I think Origen might be in heaven (I certainly hope he is)

This could not only get you in trouble with your friends, it could get you in hell

3) Vatican II was okay

Personally speaking, without vatican 2 i would have very difficult time discerning where the Church is, thankfully a manifest reality is the best proof you ever need, as long as one is willing to recognize it.

4) Oreintal orthodox are much closer to catholics than they are to Eastern Orthodox and will establish communion
Rome first.

Go ahead, have a good time.

5) Modern Eastern Orthodoxy, in following Fr John Romanides, is pelagian and Romanides was honestly a heretic (This one will get me in trouble

I have never touched Romanides's works because i am hearing mixed views of them, not a good sign and probably not good idea to read them as you never know when you are going to read and absorb something unhealthy.

) Russia will establish communion with Rome before Greece does.

That is a fantasy of yours. I suppose you are entitled to your fantasies.

9) Moscow and Constantinople are two sides of the same coin. They hide behind theology but both just want top spot in the EO communion.

Actually, THEY ARE the two sides of the same coin, the orthodox coin but they do not struggle for power, both dont care about it. Moscow minds its own business and it is happy and the EP is occupied and puppeted by you-know-who and is used as political tool against Russia.

10) Constantinople is moving towards a more catholic understanding is primacy.

Constantinople is not moving towards anything, it is puppeted. Once everything is normilized, all this "movements" will reverse back to normal.

 

[Xavier]

1) Re-Union between the Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox Churches is just a formality now and will be completed, Lord willing, in about 5 years.

2) Inter-Communion has existed in the past and much more reasonably should begin today, in view of Common Declarations already signed recently.

3) Eastern Tradition is absolutely Catholic Tradition.

4) The Scholastic Method of Systematic Theology has Patristic Support including among the Eastern Fathers and Church Doctors such as St. John Damascene.

5) From the Father and the Son and From the Father through the Son are equivalent theological formulae, the recognition of which is sufficient for formal Re-Union.

 

[Wandile]

This could not only get you in trouble with your friends, it could get you in hell

I hope that Origen is in heaven. He submitted all his teachings to the authority of the church and died in peace with the church. That’s what I will say.

 

[Thetruthisgod]

I believe in The One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

Orthodoxy is not a denomination, denominations are by definition not Catholic.

The Orthodox Catholic Church is the only Church.

I don't recognize the legitimacy of other "churches". Rather, I think they are all heretical and/or schismatic congregations.

I believe to give legitimacy to these churches undermines Christianity.


My viewpoint on this would be incredibly offensive to just about anyone I know who considers themself Christian but isn't orthodox.

I still pray that those who are sincere and pious lovers of Christ who have found themselves in these churches may perhaps in the afterlife be united to the church. I'd even say the same about the pure hearted who never knew Christ. God only knows how all that works.